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The actions of the police/government are simply legalized gang violence. And just like a gang the government base their activities on two premises; extortion and exploitation.
if the government will not provide a solution that is equitable and peaceful, I am quite sure a violent one from the people will follow.
originally posted by: areyouserious2010
a reply to: bobs_uruncle
The actions of the police/government are simply legalized gang violence. And just like a gang the government base their activities on two premises; extortion and exploitation.
Really? Your comparison is so ridiculous it is hard to know where to start.
How many gang members have protected, or take interest in, anything that didn't belong to them?
How many gang members have used reasonable force on someone else?
How many gang members have turned anyone over to a separate and impartial judicial system for a trial where they can raise a defense and have an argument heard?
How many gang members have turned anyone over to a separate and impartial judicial system for punishment after a trial?
The answer is none.
if the government will not provide a solution that is equitable and peaceful, I am quite sure a violent one from the people will follow.
How can an equitable and peaceful solution be found before knowing what the facts are? I think you just want to jump right to the violence and it doesn't really matter what the facts are.
The government takes a great deal of interest in almost everything that doesn't belong to them.
The government has not been using reasonable force, simply look at the police, the IRS, DEA, TSA, DHS, etc.
There is no impartial, separate or objective judicial system. A man cannot be loyal to two masters. The judicial system is controlled by the criminals in power and is skewed to their criminal behavior.
I don't advocate violence, I tend to look for peaceful solutions, however when none are offered logic dictates that the only solution available will be violent. I am just using logic.
if the government will not provide a solution that is equitable and peaceful, I am quite sure a violent one from the people will follow.
originally posted by: synnergy
a reply to: mwood
Not everyone did this. We shouldn't mass them all together. Many were peacefully protesting. There just happen to be idiots that saw they could take advantage of the situation.
originally posted by: Bone75
a reply to: darkwarrior
Maybe they're not as prepared to handle 300 million pissed off Americans as you give them credit for.
originally posted by: areyouserious2010
a reply to: bobs_uruncle
The government takes a great deal of interest in almost everything that doesn't belong to them.
That's not the point and you know it. Gangs only interest themselves in things that benefit themselves. Police involve themselves in things that are of collective or societal interest, or benefit, and almost no interest, or benefit, to his or her self as an individual.
The government has not been using reasonable force, simply look at the police, the IRS, DEA, TSA, DHS, etc.
The police, along with all of the agencies you listed, use a wide range of force every day. But let's stick to the matter at hand.
From the mere presence of an officer, to verbal commands, to putting hand cuffs on someone, to pepper spray, to punching someone, to tasering someone, all the way up to shooting someone. There are many police involved incidents per police agency per day.
You only hear of a very small percentage of those incidents that occur daily. Meaning there are thousands of incidents a day where the police use an amount of force and there isn't even a complaint or suspicion raised.
There is no impartial, separate or objective judicial system. A man cannot be loyal to two masters. The judicial system is controlled by the criminals in power and is skewed to their criminal behavior.
If the system is so hopelessly corrupt:
Then why are accused people found not guilty by juries all the time?
Why are police officers, state's attorneys, judges and other officials ever even charged with crimes let alone convicted of those crimes?
If the system was so corrupt why would the "criminals" in charge allow their own to be charged with a crime. Why would they allow their own to be convicted of crimes?
If there was no separation of power why even have a judicial or legislative system on a local, state or federal level? If there is no separation of power why don't the police just have a summary judgement based on the facts they uncover and decide the punishment right-then-and-there?
You bring attention to the shortfalls of the system we have. YES, there are some. The system we have is designed with checks and balances. You decide to ignore where the system works and only draw attention to some of the shortfalls.
I don't advocate violence, I tend to look for peaceful solutions, however when none are offered logic dictates that the only solution available will be violent. I am just using logic.
You didn't answer the question. You said this:
if the government will not provide a solution that is equitable and peaceful, I am quite sure a violent one from the people will follow.
It appears you have skipped the part where facts are gathered and a conclusion, as to what happened, is made. You want to jump right to "SOLUTIONS" without knowing what actually happened. Again, how can those "SOLUTIONS" be "equitable and peaceful" without knowing what actually happened?
You say you are using logic but your failure to find out exactly what happened can only mean you want a "solution" based on the conclusions you have already made (i.e. the police shot the man without any justification and with malice).
First, you complain "there is no separate, impartial or objective judicial system," yet when it comes to this issue you impose the same flawed method of judging the police officer.
I will concede that the majority of present police interactions are accomplished with reasonable force, however, the number of apparent excessive police force situations are on the rise.
As far as the government and their alphabet soup, oppression is on the rise and it is a FACT. The government is legalized gang of extortionists whose strings are pulled by international bankers, multinational CEO's and anyone who has the money to buy these assclowns.
The legal system IS skewed, sure people are found not guilty all the time, but in cases of technical error, those loopholes have to be in place just in case a "friend" (or controller) of government needs to get off.
originally posted by: areyouserious2010
a reply to: bobs_uruncle
The problem here is not the system. The problem is people not caring enough to vote or not caring enough to pay attention to what their politician is doing and vote accordingly.
originally posted by: synnergy
a reply to: mwood
Not everyone did this. We shouldn't mass them all together. Many were peacefully protesting. There just happen to be idiots that saw they could take advantage of the situation.