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originally posted by: vonclod
originally posted by: 3u40r15m
a reply to: ManBehindTheMask
Fair enough. But I'm sure the family took pleasure
I bet not, i will try and find an actual answer on that..once again I say its very hard to keep up the kind of hate that requires..20 years..cmon man, you make peace with it at some point or likley you end up a miserable prick and maybee someone cant even make it 20 years carrying that kind of darkness..it eats your soul up
Perhaps you could but it think most at some point most people will come to terms.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Just google heroin or Opiate OD. Dont know if I can post as may break the T&C's on drugs.
But plenty of people who have OD on opiates and Benzo's have been saved and can tell there story's. Plus opiate and Benzo OD's are medically documented.
PS
Im anti Death penalty. No this guy should not have been executed. But he did NOT suffer. He got off easy in my books.
The only question on my mind, how long did his victims suffer, does he still have victims that are suffering?
Play ball!
Too bad he didn't suffer longer. Should has been 22 hours. Let him choke on his own vomit and go into convulsions. An eye for an eye!
originally posted by: Infinitis
a reply to: g146541
The only question on my mind, how long did his victims suffer, does he still have victims that are suffering?
Play ball!
Too bad he didn't suffer longer. Should has been 22 hours. Let him choke on his own vomit and go into convulsions. An eye for an eye!
Am I the only one who thinks these responses sound like they are coming from serial killers?..... Jesus..... The point of the death penalty is not retribution it is elimination of a societal threat. Anyone who wants to make it into something else probably was born a couple of centuries too late.
originally posted by: Infinitis
a reply to: g146541
The only question on my mind, how long did his victims suffer, does he still have victims that are suffering?
Play ball!
Too bad he didn't suffer longer. Should has been 22 hours. Let him choke on his own vomit and go into convulsions. An eye for an eye!
Am I the only one who thinks these responses sound like they are coming from serial killers?..... Jesus..... The point of the death penalty is not retribution it is elimination of a societal threat. Anyone who wants to make it into something else probably was born a couple of centuries too late.
originally posted by: knoledgeispower
a reply to: lovebeck
It's because they have run out of the traditional formula for lethal injection.
Other companies were coming up with a solution but then when it was made public that those companies were supplying prisons with the stuff for lethal injections, those companies bowed out.
Since then they haven't come out with a better alternative and many people are suffering because of it. Part of me thinks, so what, they deserve to suffer. The other part of me thinks, death isn't punishment.
originally posted by: lovebeck
a reply to: crazyewok
Not sure about the convo you were responding to but, I have to agree, as a medical professional, with some of what you posted.
Most Heroin OD's are either Heroin that is cut with Fentanyl, a very powerful opioid used in surgery and ICU type settings or a high purity level (like what Peaches Geldof od'd on); when an addict falls off the wagon and goes back to using the same amount before they got clean, or when an addict mixes benzodiazepines and opiates. The synergistic effect totally shuts down their respiratory drive. They nod off and fall to sleep then, just stop breathing.
There is a cheap and easy medication available to combat the effects of Heroin withdrawal and many states are making it easier for known addicts to have access to this drug. It's called Narcan. It reverses the effects of the opiate (floods the opiate receptors with Narcan, pushing them off into oblivion). It works VERY well and VERY quick. Heroin addicts who have OD'd usually wake up VERY mad and VERY uncomfortable (oh well, they're alive).
There is also a drug that works on benzodiazepines the same way, but I have only seen it in a medical setting. It's called Romazicon. Works in a similar way as the Narcan, but for benzodiazepines.
When we have patients on PCA pumps or on heavy doses of narcotics (opiates) we ALWAYS keep the Narcan handy. I've given it many times when my patients got a tad too sleepy and their respirations dipped, usually after surgery when they were on a PCA pump.
However, I don't agree that the man executed didn't suffer. I doubt he was very tolerant of opiates (but, maybe he was & that's why he went on like that for 2 hours). I imagine he was somewhat aware that he could not breathe and was gasping for air. He was given midazolam (a pretty short acting IV benzo) and hydromorphone (aka Dilaudid, an opiate). I think the mistake they are making is they are using a pretty short acting benzo and, in all honesty, IV opiates do not last all that long, either. I say give them both of those drugs and a HUGE dose of Potassium Chloride IV to stop their heart. If they must continue to use these types of drugs, which are by no means the "right" kinds of drugs to use (or, they're not really giving them enough to kill them quick enough) then they should seal the deal and give the Potassium Cl last. That WILL work! Well, as long as the dose is large enough, of all three.
originally posted by: crazyewok
I think people are missing a key point here.
He would not have suffered.
It only appeared he suffered.
He was executed using a cocktail of benzodiazepines and Hydro Morphine. He would not have been aware of what was happening. He would have been in happy fairy land.
He died in a way I and you could only have dreamed of. Most of us will die of cancer in a drawn out death over months or pissing ourself with a stroke or in agony of a heart attack.
2 hours in a Morphine and Benzo induced bliss? Thats a sweat way to go.
Sure to the outsider it appeared he was suffering but trust me medically he would not have been aware of anything.
He died the same way a heroine addict would die. Unaware of the world and in a state of Euphoria.