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originally posted by: violet
a reply to: bobs_uruncle
Oh. I wasn't aware the Ukrainians were going through the CVR.
Are they in possession of both black boxes now?
originally posted by: SkepticOverlord
Russia Today is propaganda.
originally posted by: Zandril
Russia Today is nothing more than Russian propaganda.
Point fingers at the west all you want, seems people can't handle that Russia can be the bad guy too.
But it seems people refuse to accept that Russia has a hand in this disaster. Using an obvious Russian propaganda news source to try to turn blame on the United States or other western countries in spite of overwhelming evidence that the Rebels are responsible is just sad at this point.
1. Immediately after the tragedy, the Ukrainian authorities, naturally, blamed it on the self-defense forces. What are these accusations based on?
originally posted by: Zandril
a reply to: Flatcoat
Never said I had proof, I said overwhelming evidence.
The Buk, The social media posts from the rebels, the missing black box, the sightings of rebel held buk in the area with photos. None of this is proof. It's evidence.
With all this evidence stacked against them, denying Rebel and Russian involvement and pointing the finger at the west without "any" evidence is sad.
If you have evidence that the west is behind this please share. I'm am open to the possibility, but only with evidence. Not speculation.
Not only did they allow it deviate off course into the warzone, they also knew planes had been shot down in the area (was just reading about some cargo planes getting shot down)
Malaysia Airlines joined Liow in defending its use of the route over Ukraine, saying in a statement Friday that the flight plan had been approved by Eurocontrol, the air navigation service provider responsible for determining flight paths over Europe.
The airlines said that the course taken by the plane was a common one and that another flight from a different airliner was on the same route at the time of the MH17 crash in the region of Donetsk near the Russian border.
"At no point did MH17 fly into, or request to fly into, this area," the statement said. "At all times, MH17 was in airspace approved by the ICAO."
Russia getting the evidence out of the country in a big hurry.
Ukraine's interior ministry has released a video of a vehicle purportedly transporting a Russian-made surface-to-air SA-11 Buk missile unit. The ministry said the truck was presumed to be travelling in the direction of the Russian border. The ministry says it believes the unit may be responsible for the shooting down of a Malaysian airliner on Thursday, killing all 298 people on board. Russia and Ukraine have traded blame over the shooting down of flight MH17, but whether the radar-guided missiles would have been supplied by Russia, or captured from Ukrainian forces, is uncertain. Report by Claire Lomas.
Nobody diverted this plane over Ukraine.
originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: defcon5
As for the audio can anyone explain why was the audio on YouTube released a day before the plane went down? this debate reminds of the Syrian Chemical attack again.