posted on Aug, 16 2014 @ 12:39 AM
originally posted by: ipsedixit
Possible scenario: Two Ukrainian jets, not armed with air to air missiles, brought down the airliner with cannon fire, hoping to nail Vladimir Putin
who was returning from the far east at about the same time and in the same area. It's a little far fetched, but I don't think that the idea of
Ukrainian Sukhois flying armed only with cannon is far fetched or, specifically, without air to air missiles, since it is a purpose built ground
The important word in your post is FAR.
Even the newest Su-25K has a service ceiling of 7000 meters, clean (i.e., without external stores) - taken from Sukhoi webpage. MH-17 was flying at
33.000ft, ~11km. Even if we allow for some higher actual ceiling by the Su-25 compared to its official figures, there is no way this ground attack
aircraft could have reached out and touched the Boeing. It should also not be able to match the speed of an airliner at altitude (with engines and
aerodynamics optimized for mid- and low altitude performance).
By the way, the quoted pilot was no Luftwaffe airman, "only" a commercial pilot before turning "alternative" writer.
originally posted by: ipsedixit[
This is quoted from an interview with an official investigator who arrived days before the main body of investigators did. The wreckage was still
smoldering when he got there. He says some of the wreckage was pockmarked with what looked like holes made by machine guns. ...
The quoted person was NOT an investigator, he was an OSCE monitor - a political worker. With no apparent background in either military aviation nor
aerospace investigation. "Strong mahine gun fire"? I cant even think of any modern tactical airplane armed with machine guns. Especially not
Soviet/Russian models who have favoured rather large caliber cannons since WW2.
In my view, your posted photo pretty clearly shows large surface shrapnel damage. Cannon shot should show much more concentrated damage, either really
round "stamped" holes from armor piercing and FAP rounds, or several much larger holes from Hi-explosive ammunition. Not this ragged, uneven surface
that is dinged and dented across the whole surface. But I dont claim to be an expert either, only a somewhat informed amateur.
16/8/2014 by Lonestar24 because: (no reason given)