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The REAL statistics of those killed in Gaza

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posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 08:52 PM
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originally posted by: buster2010
a reply to: HisRoyalJewness
Both your links goes to the Gaza war so they are useless because the Gaza war happened a good six years after the Jenin Massacre. And evidence has shown there was a massacre there even though the numbers aren't truthful murder is still murder.
Jenin 'massacre evidence growing'


Prof Derrick Pounder, who is part of an Amnesty International team granted access to Jenin, said he has seen bodies lying in the streets and received eyewitness accounts of civilian deaths. The Dundee University expert said the Amnesty investigation has only just begun but Palestinian claims of a massacre were gaining foundation as the team continued its analysis. He said: "The truth will come out, as it has come out in Bosnia and Kosovo, as it has in other places where we've had these kinds of allegations.
"I must say that the evidence before us at the moment doesn't lead us to believe that the allegations are anything other than truthful and that therefore there are large numbers of civilian dead underneath these bulldozed and bombed ruins that we see."


No my second link is the wiki page about Jenin. The fact is the Palestinians have a long track record of lying.




posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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originally posted by: g146541
Propaganda pure and straight.
This whole situation is as funny as a 300 Lb. monster tearing a little girl apart.
And some folks still attempt to smooth over the facts..


Which little girl? Are you referring to the photo Hamas tweeted yesterday of a blown up girl that's actually a screencap from Final Destination 4?



Just another Palestinian lie exposed.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 08:58 PM
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originally posted by: Vovin
Isn't it funny though how Hamas was democratically elected by the Palestinians to run their government, only to be immediately labelled as terrorists and bombed and assassinated ever since? I swear the pre-9/11 definition of "terrorism" was violence used to destabilize political institutions. For example: targeted killing of Hamas officials, intentional bombing of public infrastructure, and mass-murdering civilians in the process to scare the Palestinians into thinking that Hamas cannot protect them so the Palestinian untermensch will submit to Israeli liebensraum programs if they want the indiscriminate killings to stop.


They were labelled terrorists before they were elected because of their suicide bombing campaigns which killed over 1000 Israeli civilians.

en.wikipedia.org...

Apologists for the Palestinians always say crap like this. The fact is both the Fatah President and Hamas were elected for 4 years in 2006. They're presently in their 8th year of a 4 year term. Some democracy.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 09:00 PM
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A 1 to 1 ratio is historically outstanding and must really frustrate Hamas and the rest of the militants as they hope for mass civilian casualties so they can enrich themselves further from aid collected around the world.

With new tech coming out in the world, guided bullets, drones, invisibility, the ratios will come down even further. Soon human shields will be obsolete.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 09:50 PM
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a reply to: HisRoyalJewness

No number is acceptable. Your tit for tat score sheet is pretty much why this shizz starts and escalates.

The definition of insanity.



edit on 16-7-2014 by Maluhia because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 09:53 PM
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Israel damage control out in full force.


There's no way of knowing how many terrorists have been killed, but it is a fact that innocent men, women and children have been killed. That's all we need to know. There's no way to sugar coat but it doesn't stop people from trying. It's genocide. Boycot Israel

And no one at all will think you are biased with a name like: Hisroyaljewness
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posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP
A 1 to 1 ratio is historically outstanding and must really frustrate Hamas and the rest of the militants as they hope for mass civilian casualties so they can enrich themselves further from aid collected around the world.

With new tech coming out in the world, guided bullets, drones, invisibility, the ratios will come down even further. Soon human shields will be obsolete.


Really? They hope there countryman get slaughtered to "enrich" themselves by receiving food and aid. If a real person can genuinely think this way, than perhaps Satan has a shot after all.

Please explain how a people can "enrich" themselves by having their infrastructure demolished, ports bombed and children killed in trade for penicillin and water. The world is all ears.

If anything it would show the desperation and plight of a people willing to sacrifice so much for food.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:14 PM
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Once again for the slow group ... there is no justification for israels mass murder .
Any other country in the world would have been invaded and a new government installed by the west if they acted in the manner israel does with its mass murder and total disregard for international law.

Yaaaaaawwwwnnnn .. as usual the same old tired israeli propaganda in regard to the o.p ..



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:20 PM
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a reply to: Expat888
Mass murder? Get your facts straight. Hamas always starts the bombing. Israel could destroy all of Gaza but chooses to give them a chance out of mercy. Israel is just looking out for its own people.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:21 PM
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originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
A 1 to 1 ratio is historically outstanding and must really frustrate Hamas and the rest of the militants as they hope for mass civilian casualties so they can enrich themselves further from aid collected around the world.

With new tech coming out in the world, guided bullets, drones, invisibility, the ratios will come down even further. Soon human shields will be obsolete.


Really? They hope there countryman get slaughtered to "enrich" themselves by receiving food and aid. If a real person can genuinely think this way, than perhaps Satan has a shot after all.

Please explain how a people can "enrich" themselves by having their infrastructure demolished, ports bombed and children killed in trade for penicillin and water. The world is all ears.

If anything it would show the desperation and plight of a people willing to sacrifice so much for food.


The leaders of Hamas are all millionaires, at the expense of the impoverished Palestinians.
The more conflict with Israel, the more their terrorist front charities collect throughout the world.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:26 PM
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originally posted by: TinfoilTP

originally posted by: Rosinitiate

originally posted by: TinfoilTP
A 1 to 1 ratio is historically outstanding and must really frustrate Hamas and the rest of the militants as they hope for mass civilian casualties so they can enrich themselves further from aid collected around the world.

With new tech coming out in the world, guided bullets, drones, invisibility, the ratios will come down even further. Soon human shields will be obsolete.


Really? They hope there countryman get slaughtered to "enrich" themselves by receiving food and aid. If a real person can genuinely think this way, than perhaps Satan has a shot after all.

Please explain how a people can "enrich" themselves by having their infrastructure demolished, ports bombed and children killed in trade for penicillin and water. The world is all ears.

If anything it would show the desperation and plight of a people willing to sacrifice so much for food.


The leaders of Hamas are all millionaires, at the expense of the impoverished Palestinians.
The more conflict with Israel, the more their terrorist front charities collect throughout the world.


Huh, strange. And here I thought Israel was just a bunch of land grubbing billionaires stealing the natural resources from underneath the feet of the Palestinians. Thanks for setting me straight.

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posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:28 PM
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a reply to: HisRoyalJewness

With this logic the 9/11 attacks were justified because of all the evil americans in the past few decades.



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 10:56 PM
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lets be realistic hear

war is hell and the poor inocent ... both sides dont deserv it

be mar ar israil palistine whatver but its not the people thats like saying we the usa had a vote to atack iran we aLL KNOW THAT VOTE NEVER HAPEN ... why it wouldent of passed you wana be mad hate thows responsable i dont even boother naming you all know who they are

even the ones who ate popcorn watching the bombing i wont call bad

you all know u did the same in 2002 with iraq date could be off im drunk

none the less politics go to war people get paied to go to war

imo it should be like old times where the king was at the frint of the charge and leg his troops bring that back and there would be ALMOST no war ever



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 11:13 PM
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Added... (Sorry buster2010 clicked reply to you instead reply to HisRoyalJewness)

Why are you comparing Palestinian murders to a war. Its more like a turkey shoot. On one side we have a race with one of the largest illegal arsenals of atomic weapons in the world (Israel refuses to sign Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons), on the other side we have people with simple pipe bombs.

And trying to reinforce the morals of murder by comparing it to other murders is wrong.

All murders are wrong.

Stop it.
edit on 16 7 2014 by glend because: (no reason given)



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 11:19 PM
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im not nessisaraly comparing any of the sort war=murder always its all sencless killing i dont deny anything other than

just saying that the true evil is not the people its the people in power and that we are no diferent

if our giverment says so and so are the prolem kill them we obey not all of us but most

all of my statments do not in any what say killing is a good thing if its seen that way im sorry not the intent its all wrong

im just saying its not us being us is the people



posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 11:53 PM
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originally posted by: ImaFungi
a reply to: HisRoyalJewness

With this logic the 9/11 attacks were justified because of all the evil americans in the past few decades.


Targeting civilians and hijacking planes is never justified.


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posted on Jul, 16 2014 @ 11:56 PM
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originally posted by: glend
Added... (Sorry buster2010 clicked reply to you instead reply to HisRoyalJewness)

Why are you comparing Palestinian murders to a war. Its more like a turkey shoot. On one side we have a race with one of the largest illegal arsenals of atomic weapons in the world (Israel refuses to sign Non-Proliferation of Nuclear Weapons), on the other side we have people with simple pipe bombs.

And trying to reinforce the morals of murder by comparing it to other murders is wrong.

All murders are wrong.

Stop it.


I notice that Israel has not used nuclear weapons nor has their supposed possession of them put Hamas off attacking them precisely because they know Israel won't use them.

Also, Hamas has many of the latest Iranian and Chinese missiles and would have much more if they could AND USE THEM AGAINST ISRAELI CIVILIANS.

C'mon the blues!
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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 12:07 AM
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a reply to: HisRoyalJewness

Just the fact you try and justify murder through ratio's and numbers is disturbing... Maybe we can make some ratios about the amount of Rockets sent into Israel and how many Israeli citizens have actually been murdered by those rockets.

I'm guessing it would be 10,000:1 - 10,000 rockets that is.
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posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 12:52 AM
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I'd like to add a little something from The New York Times from July 9, 2014

www.nytimes.com...


JERUSALEM — The call came to the cellphone of his brother’s wife, Salah Kaware said Tuesday. Mr. Kaware lives in Khan Younis, in southeast Gaza, and the caller said that everyone in the house must leave within five minutes, because it was going to be bombed.

A further warning came as the occupants were leaving, he said in a telephone interview, when an Israeli drone apparently fired a flare at the roof of the three-story home. “Our neighbors came in to form a human shield,” he said, with some even going to the roof to try to prevent a bombing. Others were in the stairway when the house was bombed not long afterward.

Seven people died, Mr. Kaware said, a figure also stated by the Palestinian Health Ministry in Gaza, which also said that 25 people were wounded. The Israeli military said that targeted houses belonged to Hamas members involved in launching rockets or other military activity, and that they had been used as operations rooms.

But the events on Tuesday were another example of a contentious Israeli policy in which occupants of a building about to be bombed or shelled are given a brief warning in Arabic to evacuate. The Israelis have used such telephone calls and leaflets for years now, in a stated effort to reduce civilian casualties and avoid charges of indiscriminate killings or even of crimes against the rules of war.


I'm sorry, but this tells me that this is not intentional killing. What army tells it's target they will be bombed soon and they should run? Then people go up on the roof and into the building trying to stop a bombing mission? Sounds like "Suicide by IDF" to me. I believe that the Israeli forces are going out of their way to prevent deaths while still telling Hamas that they are tired of having to shoot down incoming rockets and herding their citizens into shelters.

Half the country in shelters? Can you even imagine that?

Then Egypt proposes a cease-fire, Israel says "sure" and Hamas says "No way, Jose." This tells the Israelis that Hamas is going to keep fighting. The only sane thing for Israel to do is to strap on their swords, and go back to trying to stop the attacks.

OK, everybody involved is bad, but not equally bad.



edit on 17-7-2014 by charles1952 because: Bracket problems.



posted on Jul, 17 2014 @ 01:14 AM
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a reply to: HisRoyalJewness

I guess radiating a land they want to steal wouldn't be in their best interest but was trying to infer that Palestinians pipe bombs are firecrackers against a much stronger military opponent. More of an annoyance than a real threat.

Israel sites tell the latest Qassam IV has a maximum range of 9 miles. Iranian missiles have a maximum range of 1200+ miles. So if Iran was helping Hamas, its a sure bet they'd already have missiles with at least a 100+ mile range.

Common the tigers!
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