Weird California sighting

a reply to: penroc3

Pumpkinseed was a hot mess.

a reply to: BASSPLYR

I figured. From what I've seen external combustion, pumpkin seed style has never been tried on something as big as an aircraft, or even a scale prototype. At least not in the white world. I'm just brainstorming how it'd have such a distinctive appearance.

a reply to: hawkguy

Distinctive but unsurprisng imo
Form follows function.

a reply to: Zaphod58

i always figured something like the seed would fly super high and 'pulse' its way once in leo slow the pulses down but not enough not to glow like a flame.

imagine squeezing a bar of soap with wet hands. where the initial squeeze/pulse would push it and when the aircraft started to slow pule/squeeze it again.


the back end on the inside must be solid titanium with heat shield blankets/tiles.

i know the space shuttles tiles would crush in you hand like a strange foam(it is a foam of sort) and wih some laminar flow trics and maybe some fancy heat dispersion it might fligh...in a straight line. i cant imagine having to turn something like that

And how and where would she launch from?

Would it need to be air launched?? Or maybe vertical launch on a booster or even something X33 like...lots of questions and possibilities with this one I feel..a reply to: Blackfinger

A lot of stuff hiding away in the net..Follow the bread crumbs..
Pumpkin seed

a reply to: Blackfinger

launch with normal turbojets and when the external combustion cycle is stable shut the turbojets down or use them to compress the incoming hypersonic air(thin but still there) to capture O2 to help lower weight.

read that on the other form and that rings true to me, that being said there are allot of people out there that will call you crazy for saying you have seen high speed/performance craft as a crazy person...heck people still tried to debunk an officially released video from the navy..

we have the triangles, pumpkin seed, green lady and the yellow light..... are they all some how related or even the same aircraft growing up and using more perfected tech so thats why it might change what it looks like a little bit but still has the same flight profile.


i found it interesting that in one of the articals said that the seed was to me a drone and that it would have to survive many pulses and have a flight speed of at least mach 20.....if it is a drone you could have pretty intense G loads during the pulses as long as the structure and electronics


its hard for me to just forget about the few sightings i have seen because what i have seen means SOMEONE has some pretty scary systems and that no matter how many people say that things like this cant or dont exist i suggest picking up smoking, it puts you outside allot and obviously raises your chances to see something (kidding about smoking, bad habbit)

I served 26+ years in the RAF as an Aircraft Tech on fast jets at various bases and county’s around the world and I have seen and heard things which I don't recognise as “normal tech” so I think there is something out there in the black world...what is another matter!! reply to: penroc3

a reply to: Silentvulcan

id kill for a ride on any of them or fly them remotely if one was a drone.....hell the fact i have seen a small black triangle at less than 100 yards and only 15 or so feet in the air for aq good 20-30 seconds before doing their 'warp speed' manuvior is amazing but i want a good look at some of these things, imagine just running your hand down some of the edges and of these craft....

a reply to: penroc3

Not sure if touching these birds would be worse for them or you. Who knows what the RAM is coated with?

a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

.....polonium 210 was used in the skin of the F117


i think anything that would be cutting edge stuff wouldn't need 'physical' RAM....there is more than on way to bend/reflect radar away from a craft

I remember in Gulf War part 1 we hand painted the leading edges of the wings and tailerons of our GR1’s with iron ball paint..! Weighed a ton it did but helped to reduce the RCS a fair bit... on that is. a reply to: cmdrkeenkid

a reply to: Silentvulcan

they used the same stuff on the sr71 i believe




using radioactive isotopes that are STRONG alpha emitters that can actually aid in flow of the skin and deflect the radars electrons when it radars electron hits the polonium 210 emissions

Do you think it is possible to take off with a seed shape, and maneuver at low speed ? In high speed this shape must be efficient but low speed... May be it could be air launched like the X-15. This thing could explained a lot of UFO sighting. I don't thing there is a lot of black speed aircraft out there, I have the feeling there is something very high tech but in fact one or two type of Platforms no more.

That seed shape is very much like a lifting body design, even with a high sweep angle. It should be able to generate a fair bit of lift even at low speeds.
a reply to: darksidius

a reply to: Borys
Someone needs to design it in Solidworks and throw it through Cosmosworks or some other fluid dynamic simulation program..

a reply to: Borys

The problem with Pumpkin Seed wasn't lift, although it didn't generate much, it was the fact that wind tunnel tests showed some... interesting characteristics.

a reply to: Zaphod58

i would think without some serious yaw control at high speed it would start spinning like a bullet

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