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originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: Grimpachi
A person that cannot make the sensible choice or is unable to make the choice would not be suited as a leader.
I'd rather die with my family than live to lead someone else's. I don't give a rat's furry hindquarters if that's "sensible". That's how I roll. And I'd rather die than live while knowing that I deliberately walked away when my child needed me the most.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: Grimpachi
A person that cannot make the sensible choice or is unable to make the choice would not be suited as a leader.
I'd rather die with my family than live to lead someone else's. I don't give a rat's furry hindquarters if that's "sensible". That's how I roll. And I'd rather die than live while knowing that I deliberately walked away when my child needed me the most.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
originally posted by: MALBOSIA
I would grab all three of them and get the heck off that rock. There is no "you can only" when it comes to saving your children. You save them all or die trying. There is no way that you are going to make a calculated decision under those circumstances.
There is no way that the OP is a parent if he or she could think of something so terrifying. There are thousands of impossible situations as a parent, it is not something you spend time thinking about or you would go crazy.
This is EXACTLY what I've been trying to say. This entire discussion feels so pointless, like when your buddy just randomly asks what you would do given an impossible situation where your only option is to die as slowly and painfully as possible. What's the point? Getting your rocks off thinking about how a human being can suffer the most? Here's an idea - grab your kid, hug them close, read them a story, and let them fall asleep in your arms. Stop worrying about ways you might be forced to choose between them in a life or death situation. It does no one any good and raises alarm bells in my head, personally. Thank you and good night.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: Grimpachi
A person that cannot make the sensible choice or is unable to make the choice would not be suited as a leader.
I'd rather die with my family than live to lead someone else's. I don't give a rat's furry hindquarters if that's "sensible". That's how I roll. And I'd rather die than live while knowing that I deliberately walked away when my child needed me the most.
At least you made a choice that is what these scenarios are about. Being able to make the decision. I was first introduced to these kinds of exercises in the military and they had some impossible ones.
There were guys that couldn't make the hard choices and many of them bollowed/failed to where they were not leadership material. It really is about making a rational choice in an extremely emotional situation and if a person couldn't make such a choice in a classroom environment where the lives were purely hypothetical then they had no chance of making a good call in a real world environment.
These types of scenarios poised in the classroom separated the leaders from the followers. The rational thinkers from the emotional thinkers.
BTW captain Kirk would have failed but science fiction is fun anyway.
I found the link. These are all variants of the Trolly problem.
But by staying your walking away from the other 2 when they need you most. Either way your screwed. I just wouldn't screw all three, because of my own mental hang up.
originally posted by: AfterInfinity
a reply to: ArtemisE
But by staying your walking away from the other 2 when they need you most. Either way your screwed. I just wouldn't screw all three, because of my own mental hang up.
The entire situation is a sick question to ask anyone, in my opinion. So don't act like there was a better answer i could have given.
originally posted by: Grimpachi
a reply to: DonVoigt
What he meant was if you can think of a better example of the question. Not a better example where you can save everyone.
This is a philosophical question with real world applications posed in classes across the globe. They have many such examples of the question but it is always an impossible scenario. One of the purposes is to train or find those suited to be leaders as whether it be leading a nation or leading an Army the individual in charge of making the decisions will be faced with many such as the one in the OP except they will have hundred or thousands of lives in their hands.
A person that cannot make the sensible choice or is unable to make the choice would not be suited as a leader.
originally posted by: ArtemisE
There is no wrong answer Sheba. But isn't that kinda throwing the other 2 into the volcano? Isn't that deciding the other 2's lives aren't worth the pain you would feel over leaving one? I think the courageous choice would be to accept the pain and save who you could.
originally posted by: queenofsheba
a reply to: ArtemisE
I'm sticking by my answer, unless it was a trick question? I do have three children, and I would no more leave one over the other. Your question was if you could only choose to save two, which two would you save? I do not have an answer for that because I love them all equally and their lives are of equal value. Despite one being the oldest and male, or the middle one male, or the youngest female; etc. Doesn't matter. The trauma the survivors would have to deal with after the fact, knowing that "we" as a collective family group, left one behind would likely destroy us in the end anyway. We, as humans are not animals and don't do that, at least I don't think like an animal. Perhaps if there was time we could put it to the vote and collectively together decide which one gets to stay behind. In that case, I would stay behind and tell the oldest to grab your siblings and run for your lives. I would sacrifice myself in a heartbeat.