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originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: crazyewok
Does Cameron or Obama have any responsibility towards what is happening now?
The U.S.–Iraq Status of Forces Agreement (official name: Agreement Between the United States of America and the Republic of Iraq On the Withdrawal of United States Forces from Iraq and the Organization of Their Activities during Their Temporary Presence in Iraq) was a status of forces agreement (SOFA) between Iraq and the United States, signed by President George W. Bush in 2008. It established that U.S. combat forces would withdraw from Iraqi cities by June 30, 2009, and all U.S. forces will be completely out of Iraq by December 31, 2011.
originally posted by: beezzer
a reply to: crazyewok
Does Cameron or Obama have any responsibility towards what is happening now?
originally posted by: paraphi
At the risk of making an unpopular point, or two.
The removal of the brutal dictator Saddam Hussein a decade ago merely took the lid off the age-old conflict between the Sunni and Shia. Hussein had kept both sides controlled in his reign using repression, fear and all the usual tricks dictators use to keep in power.
The coalition forces (mainly US and UK) just found themselves standing between two sides of a shooting match, which is why so many people died e.g. (hint) the suicide bomber hitting a market was not after the US soldiers. See en.wikipedia.org...
ISIS is just another group of Islamic psychos wanting to kill and repress others Muslims. This lot is well funded, particularly nasty and bolstered by fighters from Syria.
You can blame Bush and Blair if you want, but you will be blaming the wrong people.
Regards
originally posted by: crazyewok
It like me committing a murder and then running off and leaving my friends to bury the body. sure my friends hold some responsibility for that murder but I still caused and should still face the music for it.
originally posted by: crazyewok
Saddam may have been a Brutal and evil douche. But that may be whats needed in Iraq. Democracy may just not be the right fit for parts of the ME and need a strong iron hand to keep the barbarians in check.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: crazyewok
Saddam may have been a Brutal and evil douche. But that may be whats needed in Iraq. Democracy may just not be the right fit for parts of the ME and need a strong iron hand to keep the barbarians in check.
Well then one day all I can hope for is that you also get a chance to live under an evil douche, it might be what is needed....
However, if Saddam was not removed it is likely Iraq would be in the same state as Syria - totally dysfunctional and a breeding ground for wannabe psychopaths in the throws of a very brutal civil war. This is Blair's point.
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: crazyewok
I don't know why it hard to accept, NOT every country wants or is suited to our western ideals or values.
Well then we removed an evil douche, gave them a system, so let the chips fall where they may....
originally posted by: Xtrozero
originally posted by: crazyewok
I don't know why it hard to accept, NOT every country wants or is suited to our western ideals or values.
Well then we removed an evil douche, gave them a system, so let the chips fall where they may....
originally posted by: crazyewok
The fact is you shouldn't have stepped foot in Iraq in the first place and let the chips fall then without ANY outside interference.
originally posted by: Plugin
No the US first helped Saddam Hussein build up his arsenal of deadly chemical and biological weapons (Iran got lots of US war gear as well) < good business, even more so when they where fighting against eachothers...
Then sanctioned Iraq (where half million kids died (no medicine and such), after the first Iraq war from the US.
All the time (don't forget) bombs where going off everywhere in Iraqi city's. Nobody really knows how many died since the Iraq war.. could be millions..
originally posted by: Xtrozero
That is not a fact, that is an opinion, your opinion...
originally posted by: Xtrozero
There was this thing called a coalition of 40 countries...