White supremacists distribute fliers at Ft. Carson asking soldiers to fight in coming race war

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Law enforcement officials in Colorado are investigating after soldiers at Fort Carson found materials trying to convert them into white supremacists to fight for a “white nation” in a coming race war.

According to The Army Times, photos of recruitment fliers were discovered by someone claiming to be a paratrooper at Fort Carson, who posted them to Reddit on Tuesday.

The Reddit user said that he and other paratroopers had “found about a dozen sealed plastic bags blowing around Fort Carson with this flyer and a CD inside.”


“Ever wonder if you are fighting for the right side?” the flier asks, urging the soldiers to help “secure the existence of our people and a future for White children.”

So my questions are....

Is there going to be a race war?

Will this attempt by white supremacist have any effect on people in the military?

And how do all the ex military, active military and retired military on ATS view this attempt.

The extreme right as in the Las Vegas shootings seem to be becoming much more vocal and even aggressive in America.

Is our future going to be a bloody one or one of reconciliation?

We hate each other for so many reasons.
The way we lived is over. The reason?
Take your pick.

HAHA!! Im surprised they didnt get their asses kicked into reality.

When youre mil.. youre family. Color seems to be an insignificant thing and not a factor from my experience.

Why do police investigate?

They never investigate all the "your soul will burn in hell" crap that gets dumped on doorsteps.

Those white supermen types will be mighty shocked if they start shooting at minorities some day to find they're in a cross fire between whites and their intended targets. I'll fight a white super-goober as fast as any other threat to the nation ..and I sure do view "White Power" movements as a threat to the nation. Always have been.

Hate isn't a colorful thing..it's just an ugly thing, in any color.

These guys are barking up the wrong the tree. While the Army may be one big locker room where everything about is a target for ragging those people are also your brothers and you would be hard pressed to find a more diverse group friends then you do in the military. White Supremacists live in a scary world where every generation is less likely to care about race, religion, sexual orientation etc. than ever before. It is not an easy thing to see your beliefs end up in the dustbin of history.

The headline states they were "distributed" but the article states they were allegedly found blowing around.

Which is it?

And who still distributes cds? Must have been pretty windy to blow around a dozen cds and fliers in a plastic bag.

originally posted by: Deny Arrogance
The headline states they were "distributed" but the article states they were allegedly found blowing around.

Which is it?

And who still distributes cds? Must have been pretty windy to blow around a dozen cds and fliers in a plastic bag.

I think that being brought onto a military base and left to be found, indicates a method of distribution; however is it
possible that the material was generated in the base by far right military factions? They do exist!!

www.thedailybeast.com...

and this is distrubing....

www.stripes.com...

The number of white supremacists who have infiltrated the U.S. military is far greater than people realize, Reuters reports. The Pentagon has tried in recent years to crackdown on extremists, but the issue remains a problem.

a reply to: olaru12

I always find the reaction to these "extreme right" people really interesting. It is regarded as somewhat unbelievable that someone would have these opinions and have flyers made. How could these people not be in jail for this?

But then extreme left-wing behavior gets talked about openly, with talking heads nodding in agreement and laughing about it as though it is normal.

Is there going to be a race war?

No. The number of people involved in these hate groups has decreased dramatically from how it was when I was young. They barely exist compared to say the 1960's.

The media will no doubt be seeking out these stories as the elections grow closer.

Will this attempt by white supremacist have any effect on people in the military?

No. Why would it? Who they are in that regard, they were when they joined. Racism is rarer these days and it hidden under the surface in all groups; Left, Right, Military and..............

The extreme right as in the Las Vegas shootings seem to be becoming much more vocal and even aggressive in America.

Most of them were not White Supremacists, so why this question? I don't agree with them, but I see no reason to defame them. I think we've all had about enough of the race baiting which has become so transparent and embarrassing.

Is our future going to be a bloody one or one of reconciliation?

Well, its far calmer now than it was in the 1960's, so why would anyone think that it would be a "bloody one"? Radicals may be loud, but they are a tiny group.

a reply to: ScientiaFortisDefendit

We don't jail folks in America for their opinions. However hateful, repugnant or outright vile they may be. Especially those, in fact, as the principle of freedom to speak comes above objection to what is spoken. That was defined beyond opinion by a landmark case in our nation.

Facts of the Case
The village of Skokie, Illinois had a population of approximately 70,000 persons, of whom approximately 40,500 were Jewish. Included within this population were thousands who survived detention in Nazi concentration camps. On March 20, 1977, Frank Collin, the leader of the National Socialist (“Nazi”) Party of America, informed Skokie’s police chief that the National Socialists intended to march on the village’s sidewalk on May 1.

They didn't simply pick some small town in America to have a parade. They chose one of the single most likely to be offended to their cores by everything represented within the American Nazis of the time. Still...The right to express it came above the right to be free from offense by it. As it should be, in my view, and that's said by someone who hates very very few things as much as I do Nazis.

In a per curiam opinion, the Court held that Illinois must provide strict procedural safeguards, including appellate review, to deny a stay for an injunction depriving the Nazi Party of protected First Amendment rights. The Court treated the Illinois Supreme Court’s denial of a stay as a final judgment for the purposes of Supreme Court jurisdiction because it involved a right separable from and collateral to the merits of the Nazi Party’s case. Hence, the Court also treated the Nazi Party’s application for a stay as a petition for certiorari. The Court reversed and remanded the case for further proceedings.

Source

Many nations view hate speech as a weakness within society to be removed by force of the State, where America has traditionally viewed it as protected and something to eliminate by education and removal of ignorance. A slow process, but a successful one over time and at least Constitutional, IMO.

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit
a reply to: olaru12

I always find the reaction to these "extreme right" people really interesting. It is regarded as somewhat unbelievable that someone would have these opinions and have flyers made. .

Why? Extreme ideologies of all flavors try and recruit the weak minded to their cause.
Perhaps a little research....

www.theatlantic.com...

www.fas.org...

www.wnd.com...

originally posted by: Blaine91555



Well, its far calmer now than it was in the 1960's, so why would anyone think that it would be a "bloody one"? Radicals may be loud, but they are a tiny group.

Thats where we differ in opinion.

From reading the inflammatory threads and posts on ATS, I see the extreme right radicals expanding, flourishing and even being encouraged; if stars and flags are any indication!!

Perhaps it is just copy and paste of the Savage nation and Limbaugh letter but it's disturbing.

The rise of hate groups and hate crimes seems to be on the upswing and this time the hate seems to be coming from the right not the left as in the 60s

crosscut.com...

and this one should cause you to reevaluate your stance.

www.policymic.com...

I know we all would like to think that America is evolving into a more tolerant culture but I honestly think the evidence points in the opposite direction.

a reply to: olaru12

I think that has far more to do with the advent of the Internet. What we see here is not representative of the real world in my opinion.

I base it on what I see around me, not on a few radical posters on the Internet or ATS.

When I was young, people were open about their bigotry and not afraid to express it in the open. Where I grew up, everyone was strongly pro-union, mostly Democrats and many of them were in your face bigots and racists. A lot has changed since then.

I remember watching the riots on the news at night and listening to the rants going on around me. I was lucky to have color blind parents who encouraged me to stay away from those bad apples and who talked to me about what I was seeing. There simply is no comparison between then and now on this issue.

I remember hearing one of my uncles giving my father a lot of grief over his support of JFK over Humphrey. To say JFK was not loved by many Democrats then is an understatement. A sort of national brawl was going on due to JFK being Catholic and for civil rights legislation. The southern style Dem's were still the most powerful force in their Party then and even though we lived in the West, it was similar.

It's far better now. My first marriage was a mixed marriage and at the time it could be very uncomfortable walking down the street together. Now I would not feel in the least uncomfortable doing that. To say it's not way better is to ignore true history.

originally posted by: ScientiaFortisDefendit
a reply to: olaru12

I always find the reaction to these "extreme right" people really interesting. It is regarded as somewhat unbelievable that someone would have these opinions and have flyers made. How could these people not be in jail for this?

But then extreme left-wing behavior gets talked about openly, with talking heads nodding in agreement and laughing about it as though it is normal.

You just contradicted yourself. Far right should be in jail for an opinion and far left opinion is joked about. Having an opinion should not result in jail under ANY circumstances. Acting on that opinion however has a good chance of landing one in jail.

Distributing information concerning an opinion should not be a crime and if it is, then left or right, whether it's white supremacists talking about the potential for race wars or gays flaming down the street trying to indoctrinate your kids into gay lifestyle, then both must follow the same rule. It must be equal under the law, otherwise, the law is meaningless and should be repealed.

Cheers - Dave

I would of loved to see a video of guys in millitary uniform beating the clowns, im all for free speech, also i dont mind a little smacking around either.

Sorry wrong thread.

a reply to: dukeofjive696969
All for free speach, but don't mind people assaulting people for using it? That makes a lot of sense lol.

15 years ago, I would have probably agreed with you. Age and wisdom have taught me, it's not worth losing your freedom over the words of simpletons, or words you simply don't agree with.

Savage isn't racist and just today he was talking about how all the name-calling and temper tantrums other radio talk show host display toward politicians are actually just an act and "they take it all the way to the bank". Savage does this, as well, but he pointed out that all the fonstant complaining and long-winded diatribes polarizing in nature have got Not A Single Thing Accomplished, and was saying that if we had the same mind towards criminals as some have towards a political figure, Obama, for instance, then we'd just execute them (the criminals) as we would be certain that they'd never be rehabilitated, that they havent the capacity.
a reply to: olaru12

If there is ever a race war I'm standing with the only correct side, and we will win. The side that's mixed and doesn't give a rat's ass what color a person is.

I've said it before, but here we go again. I wish society was like my gun range. I walk in and there are women, men, people of all colors, octogenarians and kids. We all get along, everyone is polite, people share ammo and guns. Need help? Just ask anyone.

I never want to use a gun for anything but fun or food, but if I must, my race has nothing to do with it.