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It's not like you had a choice whether to go to church; your Mom dragged you there where you liked the cookies and punch
A "crisis of faith" to me means an adult who HAS been fully indoctrinated finally figuring out that at least some of his cherished beliefs might not be true and questioning them. The real test at this point is whether he finally gets to the point you did at age 10 knowing it is all B.S., or whether his programming and brainwashing only allow him to continue with a slightly altered version of his beliefs, which he thinks are profound and meaningful, but amount to the same thing.
originally posted by: Serdgiam
what compromises are you willing to make and what do you base your judgment on?
originally posted by: NthOther
If you're an agnostic, why are you constantly trying to point out inconsistencies and other such flaws in the belief systems of religious people, like any good captial-A Atheist would?
Agnostics admit they don't know, and don't profess to care.
That is not consistent with the deliberately instigated religion-bashing that is going to fill this thread in 3... 2... 1...
But the thing that keeps me strong in the faith, is that a faith untested is no faith at all, and mine has been tested, and tempered, and beaten, and quenched over and over, time after time, and at this time I can rely on it, my God, my Saviour, and on myself, when it is necessary that I do so. Anyone with a conscious ability to empathise with their fellow human beings is going to find living tough, is going to find their faith in WHATEVER they believe, tested in times such as these. I would argue that only by feeling these things, and responding to them honestly, can a person really find strength and guidance from their faith.
11 And Moses besought the Lord his God, and said, Lord, why doth thy wrath wax hot against thy people, which thou hast brought forth out of the land of Egypt with great power, and with a mighty hand? 12 Wherefore should the Egyptians speak, and say, For mischief did he bring them out, to slay them in the mountains, and to consume them from the face of the earth? Turn from thy fierce wrath, and repent of this evil against thy people. 13 Remember Abraham, Isaac, and Israel, thy servants, to whom thou swarest by thine own self, and saidst unto them, I will multiply your seed as the stars of heaven, and all this land that I have spoken of will I give unto your seed, and they shall inherit it for ever. 14 And the Lord repented of the evil which he thought to do unto his people.
In response to your first query, faith as I understand it, is that which is carried by a believer toward whatever it is they believe. That element of the many facets of belief, means far more when it has been tested and found strong, than it does untested and possibly weak. Testing God himself is a totally different proposition, and is not something I have any need to involve myself in.
With regard to your second point, I am in complete agreement with you, and I am very good friends with some Atheists who by every definition of the term that I have come into contact with, have every possible virtue of a good Christian, without any belief in Christ what so ever. So not only should a person do these things without a God to worship, but they DO, and that fills me with gladness, that there are good people everywhere, of every different social and ethical demographic.
My choice to believe is just that. Choice. Free will. I choose to believe in God. I am not forced to do so, and I do not require that belief in order to function a wholesome existence where ever that is to be found in this world. But it does help, that when all else is stripped away, as it has been before, and may be again someday, I will always have that little block of faith sitting there, always reminding me that I have never been, and will never be, alone.
Even that effort of will that I use believing in God, returns to me as a gift of peace and grace when I have had the most need of it.
Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
originally posted by: TrueBrit
a reply to: AfterInfinity
My choice to believe is just that. Choice. Free will. I choose to believe in God. I am not forced to do so, and I do not require that belief in order to function a wholesome existence where ever that is to be found in this world.
I do not rely on God for comfort. I rely on God for strength through faith.
It is not fuzzy butterflies that I seek from my creator. My relationship with God, with Jesus is not one of happy hymn time, it is not a kids television show plot. My God and my Saviour are there for me when the crap has really hit the fan, when I was living on the street, when I have been staggeringly depressed in life, when it mattered, giving me strength, lending a hand where needed.
It does not make me rely on fantasy. The life of a believer is not supposed to be all fluffy bunnies and rolling hills full of lovely flowers! It is as if people conflate Christianity with Hippies these days hehe!
originally posted by: godlover25
a reply to: BuzzyWigs
I grew up an atheist, so I commonly suffer from "crises of faith".
The turning point came when God spoke in a loud, audible voice to me in answer to prayer when I was 22. Since then I've wavered in my walk with God, but never disbelieved The Existence.