posted on May, 28 2014 @ 01:27 PM
I'm not going to directly answer either Infinity or Godlover in this post. I've already spent a considerable amount of time on them which was a
waste. They are both so convinced of their righteous cause that it is worthless discussing it with them. They are two sides of the same coin, though
at least Godlover's posts have been relevant to the initial query of whether or not you have had a "crisis of faith." He did, and came out on the
opposite side of where he started. As far as I can tell, Infinity simply wants to rant about his religion of Atheism which, was not really part of the
"assignment" at all. He and some others seem hell bent on yelling out the same basic theme: "Atheism/Theism is the only true religion!" That's
not really the point here. We've heard it all before. It’s also simplistic in the extreme. Is that all you've got? Really?
I'm attracted to the topic for a couple of reasons, one being that OP and I had a similar experience as children. I was between 7 and 10 when I
concluded the whole idea was nonsense. I can pin it to that age bracket because of the school I attended and where we lived at the time, but can't
specify any further, though I kind of assume it must have been toward the high end. OP reports a similar experience. I don't really consider this a
"crisis of faith" because my family was of the "God? Meh? What's for dinner?" variety that did not push for one belief over another. Only much
later as an adult did I discover my mother subtly resisted "suggestions" I attend Sunday school and church because she did not want me brainwashed
into a religious cult. When forced she would lightly answer with the party line. "Who made the world?" I asked and she told me, "People say God
made the world." Full stop. My question: "How did he get it out of his workshop?" Her answer: "I dunno." That was the extent of my religious
The real question here is how you threw off your childhood conditioning. And the answers we're getting here are revealing. Godlover's description of
his upbringing shows a relentless diatribe of atheism in the household. The focus was GOD and how one should not believe He existed. Godlover's
"crisis of faith" resulted in him switching sides to the point that he's now mesmerized into blindly quoting the Bible as a response to any
inquiry. So what has changed in his life? GOD is still there as strong as ever. As a rebellion against his parents, he succeeded. They must be rolling
their eyes in despair that he abandoned the faith. If they fervently desired him to be an Atheist, they failed.
I’ll use a Vietnamese friend of mine’s favorite phrase to describe this. It’s “same-same.” Though Godlover will vehemently protest that
it’s not, all he has done is turn over the coin. He still has that fervent “staunch” (his word) belief. “GOD” has been there his whole life,
and He still is. Just listen to him; he’ll tell you all about it complete with quotes from Corinthians. His “answers” are there for him to
parrot. He mistakes finding them for understanding.
How Infinity got to where he is today is unknown because he hasn’t really told us, but it’s the opposite of Godlover. He may have traveled the
same freeway as Godlover in the opposite direction, or not. We don’t know. But it’s obvious he is one angry puppy still incensed that Santa Claus
does not exist. (God lover will understand what I just said; Infinity? Probably not.) For him the god of Science is the answer, and anyone who
believes otherwise is just stupid.
Of course anyone can see the raw anger and emotion in Infinity’s tirades. He’s a rabid atheist, maybe one of Godlover’s siblings. But what case
does he have “against God”? When you look at it his case is really against the superficial stories that really don’t do a very good job of
making the case for God anyway. Some of them really ARE “stupid” within a modern context. He looks at the claim (which is NOT in the Bible, BTW)
that the earth was made in 4004 BC on October 23rd and proclaims it as nonsense. He’s right, of course, painfully right because it’s painfully
obvious anyway. Then he looks at the story of Noah, proclaims that as impossible, and throws it out with the bathwater.
Is he “right” this time? Superficially, of course. Noah did not get two of everything and build an ark. That’s absurd. In fact, it’s unlikely
Noah, the guy, ever existed. Did “The Flood” cover the Earth? Of course not; there’s not enough water, magical explanations to the contrary. But
WAS THERE A FLOOD? Yes. It probably happened 12,000 to 14,000 years ago. It created a very bad day for a lot of humanity and killed quite a lot of
people. It’s remembered via mythology because there was no written language at the time, at least none that survived. Can I prove this? Well, I can
do a pretty good job, actually, but it would be way off-topic to launch into an explanation here.
The point for our purposes is that superficial and clearly fanciful tales may have roots in reality. The tales AS TOLD are superficial and not
literal, but mythological and filled with metaphor. But your garden variety atheist like Infinity trots them out as if they were real, shows they are
false, and thinks he is being profound. He thinks he’s won the argument when all he has really done is prove that he can be as superficial as the
tales he eviscerates. They miss the metaphor. It’s kid stuff, really, not at all erudite, and misses the point altogether.
And that’s the issue here. Is “religion” true? No, not literally. The brainwashed will insist it is, sometimes literally. And the atheists will
insist it is literally untrue, and that’s where they stop, which is a huge mistake. It’s like they buy off on atoms being made of protons,
neutrons, and electrons, but they are completely oblivious to quantum theory. So the atheists go celebrate their victory that atoms are true, thus
missing reality altogether. That’s Infinity in a nutshell. He’s “figured out” that atoms are true and Adam is not, and he’s angry about
But is religion trying, imperfectly, to describe a larger world and reality that science and the superficial are missing? Yes, emphatically. Language
fails, as it usually does when you look up dictionary definitions. And if you insist on using Webster’s Third next to your Bible, you’ll miss it,
too. It’s often because of your childhood conditioning, as many people have proven here in this thread. ATHEIST or THEIST: It's the same damn
thing. You both BELIEVE!
If you want a clue about the reality of it all, it’s in the OP’s opening post. She’s already figured it out, and y’all in your zeal have sped
right on by.