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originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: ServantOfTheLambMoses could have had a law, then someone wrote about it.
If you dont think Moses wrote the Torah then you disagree with Jesus:
John 7
19 “Did not Moses give you the Law . . .”
What I mean is the books, Genesis, Exodus, Leviticus, Numbers, and Deuteronomy.
Jesus didn't say Moses wrote those books.
Feel free to mention those when you run across them.
Lol there are times were they quote or reference those books and credit then to Moses.
originally posted by: jmdewey60
a reply to: ServantOfTheLambFeel free to mention those when you run across them.
Lol there are times were they quote or reference those books and credit then to Moses.
And as a comment on Mark 12:26, before anyone says anything, Adela Yarbro Collins says that "book of Moses" is the equivalent of "Law of Moses". So even is it has the word book in it, it doesn't necessarily mean a specific book, it is just a reference to the body of the law attributed to Moses.
I'm just saying, if Moses wrote any books, they would have been in hieroglyphics.
They wouldn't be the same thing that we have now, not even close.
And, beyond that, I don't think that Moses is a real historical character but is a sort of fable to explain where the Law came from.
Jesus brings up Moses in order to condemn the leadership of Judea for not understanding, that there was scripture, and that it should have prepared them to accept him.
TextDo you ever read actual Bible commentaries? I think maybe you don't have a good perspective on what is considered serious inquiry in academic biblical scholarship. Or do you think that is all just so much "secularism"?
Who are "most People"?
Like I said believe what you want, but in most peoples minds it is crazy.
Text All I need is John 1:1-3 Clearly defines the Word (Christ) as with the Father and who was also of the God family. You can debate me on my interpretation all you like, but it is my own understanding of the passage. If God was a single entity, there would be no reason to split himself apart. Of course that's not the only place in the bible there is a separation. Christs own prayer to the Father, defines the Father as a separate being. Why would you pray to yourself? I also don't see how your scriptures prove anything except that Christ was the firstborn. This just proves that the Father had planned for His son, before the concept of time immemorial, to die for us. It was planned long ago for Christ to be our savior, master, and leader.
Text If God was a single entity, there would be no reason to split himself apart. Of course that's not the only place in the bible there is a separation. Christs own prayer to the Father, defines the Father as a separate being. Why would you pray to yourself?
Text I also don't see how your scriptures prove anything except that Christ was the firstborn. This just proves that the Father had planned for His son, before the concept of time immemorial, to die for us. It was planned long ago for Christ to be our savior, master, and leader.
If you knew me, you would realize that I am about the most independent thinker that you would ever want to meet.
Yes I do but not from the book sellers of the cults that write your diatribe.
I have plenty of time to take questions, not having a busy schedule or anything, so feel free to point out any deficiencies in my posts.
. . . you do not fully answer a question and try to use your own philosophy to divert an understandable answer.
It makes perfect sense to me.
Here is a typical diversion. I asked you a question which was -"I thought we were discussing Biblical Theology?"
Here is your answer. "Do you think that the Bible itself is a theological work? "
Because you are being very vague.
Your answer was a question and not an answer - I purposely kept the subject matter as one discussion but you once again try diversion.
It may help to point out what that subject is.
I purposely kept the subject matter as one discussion but you once again try diversion.
Please explain this, then:
Seede answers - "The light of this world is Jesus who is of God (LOGOS)."
He narrows down the definition of what he means.
John_8:12 Then spake Jesus again unto them, saying, I am the light of the world: he that followeth me shall not walk in darkness, but shall have the light of life.
John_9:5 As long as I am in the world, I am the light of the world.
This "philosophy" as you call it, is how the King James version was translated, which was under orders from the King, now the head of the Church of England, to support all the doctrines that had already been established.
Seede answers - "Yes that is exactly what I mean. Christian Theology. When I open a KJV bible I naturally expect to read and try to understand Judaic, and Christian theology and history. I now understand your point in diversity. You have divorced yourself from that philosophy, just as you have stated, and are rewriting your own religion from that philosophy.
And you are basing this on . . what?
. . . He brought forth His visibility to His creation called WORD.
I wish that you would, throw out a bunch of verses.
Without throwing a bunch of scriptures at you-- Christ (Jesus) was never THE WORD simply because Jesus did not exist in the beginning of either the celestial or the terrestrial creations.
That just means that there is a model, and to make man after that model.
Gen 1:26 And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness:
Text Is hell an eternity in hellfire? Hell is separation from the presence of God. - See more at: www.abovetopsecret.com...
That is just really weird.
Metaphor or Parable or Hyperbolic is the modern way of saying "That is not what it means" or "Your just making that up"-- That is the easy way of saying that "I am not a linguist but I know better than those translators".
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
This original post will not be very lengthy, but that is because I would like to start a discussion on whether or not God is Evil. I will ask some questions give a brief response, answer those questions and then please list whatever you feel backs up your perspective on the text, and the character of God.
The first question I want to ask is can God murder someone? In my opinion, no because if God is real he is the giver of life, and therefore can justifiably take it at any point in time simply because when you die here you don't end you just change locations.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
Is hell an eternity in hellfire? Hell is separation from the presence of God. If you don't want God in this life why would you want him in the next? Hell is a choice. I believe that the reference to hellfire are metaphors describing how it feels to be separated from God completely. This in my opinion is where I belong. I am by no means perfect, and by no means of myself should I be allowed to go anywhere else.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
Can a good God let evil exist? Yes. If there is an objective good, then there must be an objective evil. Free will is good, I do not believe anyone can deny that, but if free will exist that means one can choose to do evil rather than good.
originally posted by: ServantOfTheLamb
In my opinion, God is the only one that is good. Why do so many seem to think he is Evil, give me some of your opinions, and maybe we can discuss it.
Text If god were truly good and loving there would be no need for evil.
Don't you think that there was some sort of preexisting underlying problem that caused basically an immediate breakdown?
What changed?
Text a reply to: Seede Well I can't speak for the god of Abraham, but if I were to take my children and put them in a room with something I didn't want them to have they would run directly for said object... It seems to me that this god fellow had an obvious lapse if judgement by placing the tree of knowledge in easy reach of his children... I mean I'm obviously not the creator of the known universe and even I know to child proof my house.