ATS Poll: How concerned are you about "Global Warming"?

My reply only few would understand.

Earth as to hEart

ocean conveyor as to artery.

God created day and night not hours and minutes.

Spring occurs when earth decides not when mans calendar decides.

12 months? 52 weeks and leap years?
Or
13 months of 4 weeks of 7?

Eminem;-)

The ignorance is baffling. Denying climate changes / global warming is pandering to Big Oil and their marketing department. Enviromentalism is bad for economic growth, real bad. Its up there with pesky stuff such as human rights, decency, morals etc. It must be prevented at all costs. So says the corporate empire.

The body of evidence pointing towards human induced climate change is overwhelming. The strategy of questioning and counteracting that evidence with empty rhetorics, quasi-science and bellicose ad-hominem attacks (Al Gore) equally so. What I find baffling is how a large part of a community like ATS, in a spirit of "denial of ignorance" swallows these lies. And to what end? Increased profits for BP and friends? Fracking, mining, overfishing, pollution yada, yada...

I believe some people can`t seperate the message from the messenger in that accepting human created climate change, equals being a communist. Objective isn`t a political affiliation, nor should the question of climate change be politicized. It transcends all of that and it concerns all 99% of us.

Our unchecked abuse of our common planet will probably be our demise. Point in case, Fukushima. The doom is in slow motion, not fit for INSTAage. And its not just the Illuminati to blame, its all of us. As far as doom porn goes, its soft, adult friendly...

It will end with a whimper, not a bang. The date wasn`t 2012, its going on right now.

Wake up an smell the corexit

- Rant mode off -

Flame on! And so long

a reply to: MrSinister
Will that be the corexit used to alter the conveyor? Effectively influencing climate?

a reply to: MrSinister

Denying climate changes / global warming

Global Warming is not the same as Climate Changes.

a reply to: ThreadDrifter

The simple fact of the matter is that humans do not treat the planet right. Debating global warming in lieu of that is irrelevant, it is a mere detail. The way we are consuming resources sets us on a path to extinction already. We will have to reach sustainability. We cannot maintain our current trajectory even if it means reduced profits.

Do we really want to bring Al Gore into this?
Isn't he the one who consumes energy something in the neighborhood of 20 times the national average?

I find this entire subject utterly funny (in that 'are you kidding' category).
For every study that says there is no global warming, there's a contradictory study (and an opinion 'out there' which says that it must be wrong and big business is behind it).

So, what is the REAL truth? Does anyone actually have something tangible that says definitively that there is a problem?
Is it warming, cooling, or what? You can't have both... Pick one and stick with it.

And more importantly, what can the free nations do about it? If everyone in the US reduced their carbon footprint significantly, will it change things? My guess would be a big fat no.

Thoughts?

I find it funny too. The debate is the ultimate distraction. And what can we do right? The planet was like this when I was born its not my problem or responsibility.

originally posted by: MrSinister
We cannot maintain our current trajectory even if it means reduced profits.

It's 2014, profits don't go down... consumer costs go up. Supporting the AlGore ponzi scheme only does one thing, excuses the additional presence of profiteering "ecowarrior" firms along the market chain. It isn't "big oil" that will pay those firms, it's consumers like you and I. Those scientists who have formed this phantom consensus make their money from the governments through grants. Those same governments have also latched onto the ponzi scheme as an excuse to add even more taxes onto their citizens.

Perhaps if the entire AWG argument wasn't so closely tied with the paper sitting in my wallet, I'd be inclined to consider it as something other than a scheme to steal money from people... but that's not the case. It is all about money and, because of that, I view it with about the same level of trust as I view televangelists. (Which is appropos considering the fact that climate change has become the opiate of the masses, replacing christianity as the official religion of western despotic governments.)

a reply to: burdman30ott6

We can certainly agree that money is the driving factor. It is my belief though, that it is all about maintaining the, rather skewed status quo. Keeping the system alive. Climate change and pollution has the potential to upset that balance hence the debate. As you rightly point out, someone profits. But our impact on our enviroment is real. That is my point and in my view that makes other matters secondary.

I agree with your post and it was a very good reply. I try to speak in general terms on the internet.. Silly me

Well, off to hug some trees

a reply to: MrSinister

My point is that you shouldn't put a slash between them because not believing in Global Warming does not equate to not believing in Climate Changes.

Off course I had to come back to clarify a post that was pretty obvious.

a reply to: ThreadDrifter

My point was that I found the distinction irrelevant. You are obviously right. My bad for generalizing.

a reply to: jazz10

I didn`t know it could do that? I just used it as an example of corporations doing really nasty stuff to the planet. I`m not used to posting and not good at getting my point across Hopefully I will learn

originally posted by: TheDreadnought

originally posted by: Fylgje
I don't think anything that humans have done, or cows farting, has impacted the climate on earth. I think the sun is fluctuating and has everything to do with it. Global warming = money scam

This all day long. +1

Yes, this propaganda bull all day long.

Just somebody's "opinion" that it's a "money scam" and tha the "sun is fluctuating and has everything to do with it."

Just ignore the actual facts about what scientists have actually done over many decades. As if they have just forgotten about the sun and one guy's opinion on the internet "Oh it's just the sun not that greenhouse gas stuff" negates it?

In actual fact, scientists have MEASURED, with calibrated instruments, over decades with multiiple overlapping data sets

a) fluctuations of the Sun
b) infrared emissions from the atmosphere, i.e. the magnitude of the greenhouse effect
c) temperature response on Earth

When they say it's from global warming, believe them. They have considered the alternatives. Just at a bare minimum there are facts like that the changes are most prominent at polar regions, and at night, which correspond to increasing greenhouse effect, and contrary to increased solar output. And that the Sun's output has been measured (funny you think that scientists might have started doing solar physics even BEFORE greenhouse problems became a big public issue---well they did) and hasn't been changing in any way which explains results.

I mean really, some random clever chump on the internet think he's ahead of thousands of scientists over 50 years of research? Yes, Roger Revelle (look him up) predicted that global warming from fossil fuels would be noticable by the year 2000. In a report in 1968 for President Lyndon Johnson. When there wasn't any confirmed warming data, but just from basic physics. Which is still correct.

Oh yeah about the "money scam".

How many environmentalist billionaires can you name?

How many fossil fuel billionaires can you name?

Tthis also shows why polls like this are just a stupid gimmick for entertainment of the easy to please. A subject like this is way to complicated to ask such a question.

Global Warming? Specify. Man made or natural?

Am I worried about it? Why not ask if I think it is real first?

originally posted by: mbkennel
How many environmentalist billionaires can you name?

Tom Steyer
Bill Gates
Richard Branson
Tulsi Tanti
Ted Turner
Vincent Tchenguiz
Sergey Brin
George Soros
Jeff Skoll
Zhengrong Shi
Gordon Moore
Larry Page
Micheal Dell
Micheal Bloomberg
Louis Bacon
Elon Musk
Aloys Wobben
David Gelbaum
Rishad Naoroji
Christy Walton
Peter Stordalen
Rubens Ometto
Zhu Gongshan
Fan Zhaoxia
Adi & Jam Godrej
Vinod Khosla
Han Junliang
Wei Wenyuan


Do I need to continue, or have I succeeded in demonstrating how incorrect your statement is? Most billionaires are heavily invested in wind & solar energy and donate millions of dollars to green programs which push forward the forced implementation of green policies within Western governments. They recognize the fact that profits never go down, but with the right scapegoat (AGW) the citizenry can effectively be forced into paying even more and the billionaires can get even richer by having their hand in that cookie jar.

PONZI SCHEME.

In regards to your comment on the scientists, uh... whoopie? If my paycheck depended on me making a ridiculous statement and the repeating it over and over to convince the sheep it was the gospel, I'd be out there making repeated ridiculous statements, too. When you chase the money back through the rabbit hole it inarguably demonstrates a very inconvenient flowchart
Scientists recieve grants from governments & trusts
governments recieve money from tax policies
individual politicians recieve money from corporations
Trusts recieve money from corporations
corporations recieve money in exchange of goods and/or services from people
people are presented with regulations and threats as defense of ever increasing taxes and costs for goods and/or services

Now we can add in the assininity of peer pressure and group think as those of us who are calling this a sham are being shouted down by the followers in a highly coordinated tactic of name & shame to silence dissent.

Hell, Columbo would solve this one before the first commercial break and have the remaining hour and 45 minutes free to sit waxing poetic about how perfect a food hard boiled eggs are.

originally posted by: nfflhome
Not worried about anything the warmunist have to $ay.
Its all about the money.

Is this what the wolf in your avatar says? When he says things? When he says human-language things?

Just asking, because the wolf in your avatar looks extremely cool and credible.


If this wolf is skeptical of global warming, then I will follow him. I will follow this wolf. I too will be skeptical of global warming.

# global warming/climate change. Just like the wolf. It is all made up.

Whatever the warmunists have to $ay, I don't care. It's all about the money. Not at all like a wolf. Not like this wolf. Niflheim.

Everyone should be extremely worried about global warming which was my vote.

Not so much as the 'oh God,oh God if we don't regulate them evil business from destroying the planet we ALL gonna die !.

When global warming has been hijacked by politicians to push their agendas.

Everyone should be worried.

The social engineers have moved on to geo engineering.

Since global warming is not even about the 'science' anymore it is ALL about politics now.

HL Mencken called it near 100 years ago:

en.wikiquote.org...

Civilization, in fact, grows more and more maudlin and hysterical; especially under democracy it tends to degenerate into a mere combat of crazes; the whole aim of practical politics is to keep the populace alarmed (and hence clamorous to be led to safety) by menacing it with an endless series of hobgoblins, most of them imaginary.

The Truth will set you free.

Politics?

Will keep you in perpetual 'alarm' mode.

a reply to: burdman30ott6

So wait...you and Columbo are smarter than just about all of the world's scientists, including Neil Degrasse Tyson. Got it. Will come to you with my next scientific inquiry. How come you aren't working for NASA? or the NSA?

a reply to: burdman30ott6

I guess Henry Ford was an ecowarrior conspirator just trying to make a buck, not save the environment or anything. Theodore Roosevelt either. They didn't care about the environment and ecosystems at all...

Green policies are designed to enslave you, not clean up pollution!

Since when did weather become freddy cruugar?