Putin's Hmn Rghts Cncil Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results; Only 15% Voted For Annexa

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Putin's Human Rights Council Accidentally Posts Real Crimean Election Results; Only 15% Voted For Annexation

The website of the “President of Russia’s Council on Civil Society and Human Rights” posted a blog that was quickly taken down as if it were toxic radioactive waste. According to the Council’s report about the March referendum to annex Crimea, the turnout was a maximum 30%. And of these, only half voted for annexation – meaning only 15 percent of Crimean citizens voted for annexation.

The fate of Crimea, therefore, was decided by the 15 percent of Crimeans, who voted in favor of unification with Russia (under the watchful eye of Kalashnikov-toting soldiers).

The official Crimean election results, as reported widely in the Western press, showed a 97 percent vote in favor of annexation with a turnout of 83 percent. No international observers were allowed. This pro-Russia election pressure would have raised the already weak vote in favor of annexation.

To make sure no one misses this:

Official Kremlin results: 97% for annexation, turnout 83 percent, and percent of Crimeans voting in favor 82%.

President’s Human Rights Council results: 50% for annexation, turnout 30%, percent of Crimeans voting in favor 15%.

Putin’s people pulled this “rather unfortunate” report from the President’s Human Rights Council website, but council member Svetlana Gannushkina talked about this subject on Kanal 24 (as reproduced on Ukrainian television), declaring that the Crimean vote “discredited Russia more than could be dreamed up by a foreign agent.”

Putin plans to repeat the Crimean election farce in the May 11 referendum on the status of the so-called People’s Republic of Donetsk. He will use the same tricks to produce an overwhelming vote for “independence” and a high turnout. The few international election monitors will object, but Putin counts on repetition of his Big Lie to convince his own people and sympathetic politicians and press in the West that the people of east Ukraine actually want to separate from Ukraine.

Will the West let Putin get away with it again?

Thoughts?

Personally and to no ones surprise I said it was rigged from the start. I even remember complaining that Russia refused to release the breakdowns. The election was called into question in the April UNSCM where the UNHCR touched on this topic. I posted the info in another thread but thought this might be a better stand alone so both sides can challenge the results.

All I ask is if you have info, please post your sources so we all can read it and compare.

thanks



ETA - Earlier post / info

Vlads problems just got worse and the ironic part it its coming from one of his groups



The Crimean “Occupendum” – Mustafa Jemilev was right: the decision about Crimea’s anschluss is legally fraught.

According to the report of the Presidential Council on Civil Society and Human Rights of the Russian Federation, the Crimean referendum is assessed as follows:

SYNOPSIS
• the overwhelming majority of citizens in Sevastopol have voted for joining to Russia on the referendum (50-80% of voters); in Crimea 50-60% of voters voted for joining Russia whereas the general voter turnout was only 30-50%.

• Crimea’s inhabitants have voted not so much for joining Russia, as for the termination of, as they say, “corruption and lawlessness of the thieves of the dominant Donetsk henchmen.” Inhabitants of Sevastopol particularly voted for annexation to Russia. Fears of illegal armed groups in Sevastopol were higher than in other regions of Crimea.

Consequently, the confines of the possible values of the total number of voters in Crimea who voted on the “occupendum” for joining Russia draws from 15% (30×50) to 30% (50×60).

As it’s known, according to Jemilev’s information, Crimean voter presence for the occupendum is 32.4%. In this case the number of voters who voted to join Russia comes to a bit more than 31%.

Thus:

• the majority of the voters living in Crimea (according to various estimates from 69 to 85%) haven’t voted for the Anschluss;

• the officially announced results of the occupendum that were also repeatedly and publically announced by President V. Putin have been roughly fabricated;

The decisions of the State Duma, the Federation Council and the President of the Russian Federation about joining Crimea to RF are based not only on unacceptable violations of the Ukrainian Constitution and International Law, but also on the rough fabrication of the results of the occupendum on the 16th of March against the clearly expressed will of the vast majority of residents of Ukraine and Crimea, and therefore are legally fraught.
Source: ‪#‎crimea_sos‬

Effectively this means that Vladimir Putin’s own Council on the Development of Civil Society and Human Rights has confirmed that the turnout for the so-called “referendum” [now called "occupendum"] on Crimea’s status was much lower than reported, and the results also far less overwhelmingly in favour of joining Russia. The same results have been reported from other sources: “while the overwhelming majority of residents of Sevastopol voted for joining Russian (turnout of 50-80%), the turnout for all of Crimea was from 30-50% and only 50-60% of those voted for joining Russia.”

Thus, a maximum 30% (i.e. 60% of 50%) of Crimeans voted to join Russia. This does not take into account any of the bribery, blackmail, bullying and multiple voting that reportedly took place.

Source: echo.msk.ru

Click link for remainder of article...


Secondary Source
Council to the President of the Russian Federation

*** Wrong UN meeting - will post correct one when I find it ***

The UNHCR rep gives a report on Ukraine and touches on Crimea.

Wow, just a little worse than your Average US election results, around 45-55 percent, so you figure about what a quarter of the US population decides who our leader is.


Really, election and polls, as the US has shown, can be made to say really just about anything.

Hilarious.

Where is the pro-Putin slags who spent two months praising him for his valiant fight for freedom, truth and bla, bla, bla... (is that a picture of him shirtless with a kalashnikov *swooon*)

originally posted by: boncho
Hilarious.

Where is the pro-Putin slags who spent two months praising him for his valiant fight for freedom, truth and bla, bla, bla... (is that a picture of him shirtless with a kalashnikov *swooon*)

How about the pro-isolationist crowd who view all of this as Propaganda, along with the people who like to deride people calling for NON-intervention from NATO, AS Pro-Russia.

Proponent of McCarthyism much?

Or would that make me a pro-putin fan boy?

Frankly NO head of an intelligence agency should ever be running a country.

a reply to: Xcathdra

Oh so your source is just Forbes?

a reply to: boncho

Apparently now we would be using unconfirmed blog hack as source of information.

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I really would like to try to get debates going. Respectfully can we try to avoid some of the descriptive phrases we all like to use. Its completely up to the poster of course - just a request.

Secondly - The OP source article has link sin it. The information added at the bottom was from initial reports earlier today that also contain links to sources discussing this.

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originally posted by: Agent_USA_Supporter
a reply to: boncho

Apparently now we would be using unconfirmed blog hack as source of information.

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If you read the OP, you will see near the bottom where the other sources are linked / quoted.
Secondly the op article has the link to the website, as does the remaining post at the bottom.


**** We now return to our regularly scheduled program already in progress

a reply to: benrl

This seems related to the Russian MP who casted the only no vote on the Crimea / Ukraine issue.

A few things to possibly discuss -
* - Russia released their "white book" on Ukraine human rights issues today.
A - Is it possible the White book was also made up and this poll info is a way to get the light on the info being manipulated?

B - Is it possible one of the 2 books is correct and the other is to distract attention?

C - If valid could this info release be the signs of people in the Putin government not being happy with his actions? They just had a huge protest in Moscow sometime back, around 10k people if I remember right, over the medias misrepresentation / distortion / lies being reported in addition to not being happy about how Putin went into Ukraine.

In an effort to try and see both sides -
Could this be propaganda put out by the West to undercut Putin at the next UN / Geneva meeting prior to the May 11th elections? Putin claimed he would not recognize the May 25th elections so is this a counter to cast doubt on the May 11th votes (if it happens)?

Not surprising at all. What is shocking is the source. Putins own people no less. Someone is going to get a new post in siperia or free delivery of potassium fruits.
Everyone knew that a "referendum" under occupation in an enviroment where opposition is murdered on the streets is not legit to begin with.

a reply to: PsykoOps

That was one of my initial thoughts as well. Is the reason I was putting forth a possibility that things in the Putin administration may not be sitting well with all of its members.

If the Russian PM who voted no turns up missing..

Can any of our fellow ATS'rs on that side of the fence keep an eye to see if people in his admin / parliament go missing / injured / killed?

Also, anyone have any sources refuting this?

a reply to: Xcathdra

No missings or injuries in Putin administration till now, imo this was a tech mistake.And Putin hand is long, way beyond Russian borders so i assume loyalty is on high level in his administration.

originally posted by: xavi1000
a reply to: Xcathdra

No missings or injuries in Putin administration till now, imo this was a tech mistake.And Putin hand is long, way beyond Russian borders so i assume loyalty is on high level in his administration.

Has anyone found anything from Moscow addressing this issue?

originally posted by: boncho
Hilarious.

Where is the pro-Putin slags who spent two months praising him for his valiant fight for freedom, truth and bla, bla, bla... (is that a picture of him shirtless with a kalashnikov *swooon*)

couldn't have been a hack?

nope, that would be unthinkable

originally posted by: HanzHenry

originally posted by: boncho
Hilarious.

Where is the pro-Putin slags who spent two months praising him for his valiant fight for freedom, truth and bla, bla, bla... (is that a picture of him shirtless with a kalashnikov *swooon*)

couldn't have been a hack?

nope,

that would be unthinkable

Possible... have you seen any information to the contrary / addresses the info above that has come from Moscow?

a reply to: Xcathdra

EVERYONE

READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF FORBES ARTICLE

Why would a Russian Official Site post a BLOG Report for 5 min,

what really happened is that they were hacked, and those few minutes a false report was taken as PROOF by the Coordinated Western Propaganda Effort to slander Russia.

And it is NO accident that OP is the one pushing this, no coincidence at all.

Everything was SET and READY,

just like that Reporter from RT, turns out later she was co-opted paid to do what she did, her handler from a US think tank posted online 20 minutes before it happened that something will happen at RT, he couldn't contain his enthusiasm.

WAKE UP PEOPLE

originally posted by: RadiationAndCancer
a reply to: Xcathdra

EVERYONE

READ THE FIRST PARAGRAPH OF FORBES ARTICLE

Why would a Russian Official Site post a BLOG Report for 5 min,

what really happened is that they were hacked, and those few minutes of false report was taken as PROOF by the Coordinated Western Propaganda Artists to slander Russia.
And it is NO accident that OP is the one pushing this, no coincidence at all.

Everyone knew the election was rigged. From past elections the numbers were so skewed, in comparison, it was the only logical conclusion. You had pictures of ballots already marked for the annexation choice, and pictures of people ballot stuffing.

C'mon...

a reply to: Catacomb

Hey believe what ever the Hell you want, from the same people who brought you 9/11 building 7 and so on.

If propaganda works on you, frankly that's not my problem, but yours.

First thing they did in Crimea was double the pensions and upped salaries, of course people wanted to secede and keep the better finances

a reply to: RadiationAndCancer

Ill bite...

Can you provide any sources to support the hacked comment you assert?

Secondly there are more than one sources listed. I encourage you to check them all out.


Also can you provide a source for the pensions comment. Last I saw they were upset in Crimea because it didn't pan out.