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It's long been thought that AGW should not be affecting the Antarctic for a long, long time.
Climate science has never stated that the ice melt in Antarctica is due to AGW, if they had... the OP wouldn't exist.
When ice melts or droughts happen or any other climate related uh-oh happens... it's not just assumed that it's because of AGW.
The exact cause is always sought. Many sensationalist blogs, sites or news outlets may make lazy assumptions about climate and AGW, science doesn't.
originally posted by: Shiloh7
a reply to: Wrabbit2000
Great thread Wrabbit2000 absolutely fascinating. I suspect anyone with common sense that knows global warming has happened in the past before man toddled onto the scene, knows that this is a natural phenomena of our planet.
originally posted by: Bedlam
Maybe 8000 years ago, the previous technical civilization did the same things we're doing now.
(ducks and runs)
originally posted by: Kali74
a reply to: lonegurkha
Actually, the Milankovitch Cycle is and always has been part of the discussion on causes of our current global warming. It was the 1st thing to be discussed... it's when scientists realized that based on our current obliquity, eccentricity, and precession, Earth shouldn't be warming that other causes started being looked at.
This paper surveys the history of the Earth's climate and deals with facts, techniques, and causes. A review of climatic history since the origin of the Earth demonstrates the changes and variability of our climate along different scales. These variations can probably be fully understood only when taking into account both external forcing and non-linear interactions between the components of the climatic system: atmosphere, oceans, cryosphere, lithosphere, and biosphere. At least, as far as boundary conditions and forcing are concerned for the 108 to 109 yr time scale, atmospheric composition, solar evolution, and tectonism have to be considered, while variations of the Earth's orbital elements, and subsequently of the insolation, best explain the glacial-interglacial occurrences during the Quaternary Period. For shorter time scales, volcanic dust, solar activity, sea surface temperatures, and atmosphere-ocean autovariations have to be taken into account. Furthermore, the man-made effects have now to be considered: atmospheric loading of dust and air pollution particles, changes in surface albedo, and mainly the increasing rise of atmospheric CO2 and other trace gases adding to a greenhouse effect.
This man-made warming effect of future CO2 increase will probably emerge as a clearly recognizable trend against the background of natural climatic fluctuations by the end of this century. This carbon dioxide induced super-interglacial will be superimposed on the expected natural long-term cooling trend of the ice age chronology.
originally posted by: lonegurkha
Since the sun is the real climate driver in the solar system,it seems that any climate change would have to do with the relationship between the sun and the earth.There are three cycles that exist,which change over time, the relationship of the sun and earth.These cycles were discovered quite a while ago and are conviently left out of discussions of climate change.I wonder why? link provided by Zantimisfit
originally posted by: lonegurkha
Care to offer some proof of that? I would enjoy seeing it.I've done alot of reading on the topic as well and have never seen any part of the cycles mentioned except for the solar max and minimum cycle.The other two cycles I have never seen mentioned in relation to climate science.