MANY People Vanishing Into Thin Air! WHAT'S HAPPENING???

originally posted by: Phage
a reply to: BO XIAN

Were all (any?) of those circumstances involved in that case?

From what I've seen, David P bares a strong resemblance to UFO "researchers." Confirmation bias is strong with this one.

Of course there are unknown causes of disappearance. When there is insufficient information there is no other place to go. But as you pointed out, David P likes to concentrate on a small number of cases while ignoring the fact that the vast majority are solved. He likes to ignore the scientific probability that this indicates that there really isn't anything strange about people going missing in the woods.

I have two of his three books, and plan to get the third. I very seldom purchase such books, and, while I do believe some odd things are possible, I tend to want evidence. In this case, the evidence is there. He's collected hundreds of cases, and while he doesn't have details on all of them, those cases where he has details are fascinating. Things happen that experienced search and rescue people can't explain. Plus, he doesn't offer any theory on the cause; he simply lists the cases, and the details when they are available. Now, some conclusions can be drawn, but he's careful not to state them. I have a pretty good BS detector, and this guy is sincere. He had the story brought to him. He didn't seek it. He's also a former cop, so he knows how things are supposed to be handled, and can spot issues in some of the cases, and how they were handled oddly.

If you aren't ready to buy one of the books, check some of the interviews on YT. There are several audio ones, from Coast-to-Coast, for example, that you can listen to, and hear details of some of the stranger cases. I listened to those before I bought a book, and now own the first two. They aren't cheap, either, and my budget has real limits, so I don't buy just anything. Direct from him, they are $25 plus shipping, but he will sign them for you. Other sites have much higher prices, so you'd think they were long out of print or something.

You are a skeptic, I know, but you are a thinker, and look for good, logical explanations. Check the audio, and see what you think. The boy missing from Tennessee is one of the most creepy cases.

originally posted by: Phage
People have gotten lost (and often found) forever. The more people go wandering around in the woods, the more will be lost (and often found).

In Alaska they are frequently eaten. Those ones don't often end up being found, except as bear scat.

Yep, at least the last 1/2 dozen of my EXs have been fed to the Kodak bears.

Hint: you have to wash off the perfume, or they won't touch them

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: BO XIAN

Yeah.. I have another theory in the back of my mind and I have for years...but it's one of those things that sounds patently insane outside of a dark night, telling scary stories for fun. It's a big big country though, and a whole lot of wilderness which is far more remote to actually stand in and look around to see than I think people living full time in the cities imagine.

Share? Please? I have some theories on this myself, and love hearing those of others. You are typically a sound thinker, and I'd really like to hear your take on these cases.

originally posted by: AK907ICECOLD
Hint: you have to wash off the perfume, or they won't touch them

Are little bells and pepper involved?

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

I have some theories on this myself, and love hearing those of others.

Mutilation doesn't confine itself to cows.

Perhaps we've asked Them® to clean up a bit better with people.

I once heard a tale about the first people mutilations, it stuck with me and I related it often to the privates under my thumb as a cautionary tale about sleeping on watch.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Sorry I've been slow getting back to this. It's finals time at the semester's end, so things get hectic for a couple weeks.

Anyway, I don't have anything solid enough to make a thread on this for, but I believe we've been a tad hasty in assuring ourselves we're the alpha on the food chain, or that we've handily exterminated/removed the threat of others. I'm not sure what it might be. Bigfoot? Maybe people more predator than what we'd think of as people in daily life.

The thing is, of all the cases that can be explained, some are just flat out 'What the..?!'...for circumstances and overall events. Just a few are enough to say there is something that isn't fitting, right? Of course, there are more than just a few, too.

If there actually may be a large furry critter closer to human than primate for cunning and intelligence, if nothing else, then it wouldn't shock me that no one has seen one. After all, Americans have only been crossing those areas for a little over 200 years.

So, just as food for thought... If 'we' havent seen one, then surely the Native people's would have and would have generally known of it, right? As it so happens..... They did.

It's something to consider anyway, IMO. Scientists are still confirming brand new critters amid where people have lived with history for a few thousand years, let alone our seeming 'land that history forgot to mention or record much about'. lol....

I don't know all that much about high level physics and weird phenomenon that can be scientifically explained but I've always wondered about inter-dimensional anomalies. Even things we have no idea that exists or haven't discovered yet which alter space or time making a person disappear into thin air. If I was to place a bet though I'd have to go with humans with nefarious intention as I believe that really evil groups and cults operate at the highest levels of government and tucked away in seclusion. The world is definitely a strange place.

originally posted by: Bedlam

originally posted by: LadyGreenEyes

I have some theories on this myself, and love hearing those of others.

Mutilation doesn't confine itself to cows.

Perhaps we've asked Them® to clean up a bit better with people.

I once heard a tale about the first people mutilations, it stuck with me and I related it often to the privates under my thumb as a cautionary tale about sleeping on watch.

I have heard a little about those, and it was pretty creepy stuff, as I recall. The real question is who are those behind these acts. I have ideas on that.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

Sorry I've been slow getting back to this. It's finals time at the semester's end, so things get hectic for a couple weeks.

No worries! I don't get in here daily myself, or nearly as often as I would like to. For my comments, whenever you get to them is fine.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
Anyway, I don't have anything solid enough to make a thread on this for, but I believe we've been a tad hasty in assuring ourselves we're the alpha on the food chain, or that we've handily exterminated/removed the threat of others. I'm not sure what it might be. Bigfoot? Maybe people more predator than what we'd think of as people in daily life.

Some of the cases are SO weird, and do seem to lean towards "Bigfoot"; whatever Bigfoot may be. I agree that we are not the most powerful, as many want to think. I have some ideas on that I might put into a thread myself.

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
The thing is, of all the cases that can be explained, some are just flat out 'What the..?!'...for circumstances and overall events. Just a few are enough to say there is something that isn't fitting, right? Of course, there are more than just a few, too.

If there actually may be a large furry critter closer to human than primate for cunning and intelligence, if nothing else, then it wouldn't shock me that no one has seen one. After all, Americans have only been crossing those areas for a little over 200 years.

I agree, some of the cases simply cannot be explained by normal means. Some in the first two books, I am not sure can be explained by the same weirdness, either. I suspect most lean towards one odd explanation, but I think more than one cause is possible, for at least a couple of the weirder cases. Certainly, if these creatures are intelligent, some sort of sentient beings as opposed to some sort of primate, they could easily avoid being seen. I have always found the idea that modern people/science "know everything" about various topics to be quite arrogant. Unknown animal, that the local primitive people all see? "Must be a myth, or we'd know about it." is the usual tactic. I figure if one wants the truth, talking to those people is the best first step!

originally posted by: Wrabbit2000
So, just as food for thought... If 'we' havent seen one, then surely the Native people's would have and would have generally known of it, right? As it so happens..... They did.

It's something to consider anyway, IMO. Scientists are still confirming brand new critters amid where people have lived with history for a few thousand years, let alone our seeming 'land that history forgot to mention or record much about'. lol....

Indeed, there are many such accounts of these things, whoever or whatever they are. I always found it interesting that the Amerinds don't talk of them as animals, but as some sort of people.

a reply to: LadyGreenEyes

I'm in a hurry this morning but I wanted to reply to your last point in particular. When I searched for the Native American references, I expected to find something. Maybe some passing references... I didn't expect to find it recorded in virtually even Native culture in some form, and with different names (to suggest independent experience to have named it their own way). Coronado was even warned of them by the Natives he encountered and noted it in his own journals.

Who knows how much we don't know, eh? After all.. "Science" as we've known it in modern terms for the power we take for granted now has existed a relatively short time, all things considered.

a reply to: Wrabbit2000

Indeed, they seem to be common to every primitive culture that's been on the continent. According to Sanderson ((Abominable Snowmen: Legend Come to Life), similar creatures exist all over the world. One thing I remember noting when I read that book is a correlation he made between the sort of biome and the type of creature seen. The largest ones were in the same sorts of forests where we see them here. Mid-size, similar ones in lower-elevation forests, more temperate, and small ones in swampy areas. These days, we don't hear as much about the other varieties, save the skunk apes in Florida, but the reading was fascinating.

I didn't know Coronado was warned; fascinating detail there!

Oh, there is much we don't know! Scientists, in most cases, are a hard-nosed lot, that refuse to accept new theories until the evidence is overwhelming, at which point they pretend to have known all along. My dad said something like that a long time ago, and I understand more and more what he meant!

a few days ago a woman here went missing, she prolly lived her whole life in that area.
she has a hernia and suffers a lot of pain (i have one too so i know), she could not walk far and ppl in the neighbourhood knew her.

i facepalmed a lot over this, it's weird, who wants to abduct a close to disabled older woman?

then, another one got missing during lunch at work, how can someone go missing during lunch at work??
he's house was a few streets away from work, already checked out by specialists.

LadyGreenEyes and Wrabbit...you both have hit on points that have occurred to me reading the Missing 411 books. If one reads these books, and has the ability to suspend disbelief, it sort of points you back at native beliefs and warnings. Arrogance and pride have always been at the core of our folly as a race. Just when we are so sure of ourselves, surprise and tragedy always seem to show up in blended form, on both a very small or sometimes larger scale. Right on queue, when we cannot put a tag on the matter, it is buried. And the naysayers always come out and try to dissuade critical thinking with nit-picks, looking to dissuade the focus.

One account that to this day astounds me can be found in the second book, in Maine, I believe...sometime around 1904 (if my memory serves me). Two seasoned, rugged game wardens went into the wild to get to the bottom of the disappearance of beaver. The thinking was poachers were sneaking in from Canada. These two wardens vanished after quick succession of simultaneous gunfire was heard in the distance by a group that had passed the two, minutes earlier. The theory was they had engaged in a brief, heated firefight with somebody over the poaching. A broad search turned up no evidence and no sign of struggle. The search for these wardens was halted by an infringing winter season.

Some six months later when it resumed the bodies of the wardens were located approximately a mile apart in reasonably close proximity to where they had vanish. Neither had any gunshot wounds...or wounds of any kind, leading one to suspect that they were the singular source of the quick succession of simultaneous gunfire. What was it they saw that they weren't supposed to see or stumble upon? What was it that caused them to unload their weapons in a fashion that suggests they were nearly frantic about stopping an impending threat. What killed them if there were no bullet wounds or no apparent wounds. I had read that they found no water in their lungs during the autopsies. Did these two die of sheer fright? They were seasoned, rugged men with experience and composure.

Beavers. I read something a few weeks back about an old native legend on something that would seek out the beaver if no human could be found....and that the pelts would be worn as a sort of trophy.

Did these two stumble upon something that was wearing a number of pelts in a fashion that was obvious...and clearly something they never would have expected, that caused them to react with what could be termed as extreme prejudice? Was it something that could not possibly exist...but did anyways....and it overwhelmed them?

Not all is what it seems. I am learning that.

LadyGreenEyes and Wrabbit, what do you think?