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posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:25 PM
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I find the wonder of such stories somewhat worthy of the shadows they cast. But, having visited this subject on more than one occasion, found the ends of it in the legal testimonies of two men, namely; Mr. Otto Guensche, a former SS officer, and his valet, a Mr. Heinz Linge. They were captured at Hitler's mountain top home, Berchtesgaden, and imprisoned as war criminals in Soviet Russia for ten years. In 1956, at a court hearing convened in the town where Hitler spent his last moments, the two men under oath testified that they were in the home when Hitler and Eva Braun died. Hearing the shots, they entered the study and found them together, deceased. Otto and Heinz removed the bodies and assisted in having them cremated, according to court statements. A recording of the testimony is archived in public records.

The interesting thing about the Hitler escape story, is that it is based in some interesting facts. Nazis did escape, some with their families to Latin American countries. I heard an interview with a former special forces soldier who stated that in the mid 90s, was part of an intelligence reconnaissance ops in Columbia (I believe) and stumbled into a remote (40 miles from the nearest town) German speaking village that appeared to have been stuck in a time warp from the 1930s. There were no motor vehicles or discernible roads to it and the villagers got around on horseback. The little houses and long dresses looked like early 20th century designs.

Apparently, one of the team members who spoke Germain conversed with some residents, attempting to ascertain who they were and how they got there. Though they were friendly, the answers they gave were rather benign.

During a stint In the mid 80s I was in Honduras, CA for several weeks. While there, I had to find a doctor to do some blood work for me. I was referred to one in La Lima. As I was surprised that he looked white and European - instinctively asked, "sprechen ze dutch?". He answered in the affirmative, so I began speaking to him in English, and he reciprocated in a Germain accent. This man was well into his 60s, educated and well spoken. Well, I had lived in Germany in the 70s. Relating my experience there, expressing my best impressions, he took notice. When I thought he was comfortable, the question naturally came about regarding his odd presence in such an obscure and depressing little place as La Lima. He apparently came at the end of WWII. When I inquired of him the reason, he merely stated that there were personal, "philosophical" issues regarding his move and smiled. He then quickly changed the subject. It was obvious that he was uncomfortable at that point. I was convinced that my blood had just been drawn by a real Nazi. In my imagination, he might have been an officer in the Gestapo or perhaps a prime operator in a concentration camp. Who knows. But when I considered his living conditions, well it seemed rather obvious that he was just so out of place and lonely.

Thanks for post Scorp. Everything is relevant to somebody.




posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:36 PM
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there IS A BRITISH DOCVUMENTARY MAKER WHO INVESTIGATED AND CONFIRMED HITLERS PRESENCE IN Argentina....
THE FACTS ARE PRETTY CLEAR HE WAS THERE....DIED IN 1962 I THINK......and so it goes.......



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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Dianec

WarminIndy
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The problem I have with this...

Hitler didn't have a history of asthma. He had a different condition that caused his hands to shake.

And the US Navy as well as the British were still patrolling the Atlantic. How did he get from bombed Berlin full of Russian soldiers to a seaport where a submarine was at?

And the idea that Hitler escaped came from the Russians, not the Argentinians. Unless the KGB has that on file, then we should probably wait until more is known. The FBI isn't the greatest intelligence agency, remember that they haven't found D.B. Cooper yet either.



The FBI is intelligence for the United States anyway. The CIA deals with international issues so you're right - the FBI isn't the best source unless they were looking for him on American soil.


Umm, yeah, the article does state that the FBI was in Argentina.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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At what point did i say he did escape? You miss the point of my post. You stated that those who are interested in the idea are fans. I was saying that I am not a fan but think it's interesting. How do you know how advanced his Parkinson's was? I am intimately familiar with Parkinson's so i'm not just writing things for the hell of it.



posted on Apr, 16 2014 @ 09:44 PM
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fenson76
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At what point did i say he did escape? You miss the point of my post. You stated that those who are interested in the idea are fans. I was saying that I am not a fan but think it's interesting. How do you know how advanced his Parkinson's was? I am intimately familiar with Parkinson's so i'm not just writing things for the hell of it.


Did I mean you personally? No, I said there are people who do latch onto things like this.

And yes, you know about Parkinson's now, but what was it like in 1945 when there weren't the same medications? And his Parkinson's was so advanced that his own people were talking about it.

I have MS but I know what the MS treatments now were not available then.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 12:48 AM
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Freeborn
I have doubts about the official story regarding Hitler's alleged death in the bunker in Berlin.
There seems to be an absence of actual definitive proof.

But I have no doubt that he died somehow around the end of the war.

Hitler was a wreck of a human being; he had serious physical and mental illnesses and was probably approaching the end of his life anyway.

Hitler was a narcissistic egomaniac who possibly suffered from autistic psychopathy. He quite unfeelingly led his country into a war of unprecedented scale and extent which led to the deaths of literally millions of people. He had no regrets whatsoever about anything he did or anything that happened in his name.

He craved the adulation and power he had achieved.
I somehow can't see such a man willingly accepting the ignominy of being spirited away in secret and living the rest of his life in anonymous obscurity.
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You are right, he could barely walk and looked 30 years older than he was, he had no plans to escape, once he finally got it through his head that the war was over he blamed the generals and the people and said they deserved to die. He had a chance to leave Berlin but by the time the last film was taken (where he was decorating some children) he was a broken man and had already given up.
Why is it so hard to accept the facts told by the last few survivors of the bunker that they filled a bomb crater with petrol (they had a hard time getting it!) dumped Hitler and Eva's bodies in and set fire to it (took a lot of time as they were under shell fire!
The survivors said there were still jaw bones and charred parts the Russians took and disappeared with in a truck in the middle of that night.
He had no fight left in him and by the end of the war he hated the German people who he felt betrayed him, why would he have wanted to leave as his world fell around him? He died by his own hand in the bunker and lots of people witnessed carrying out the bodies.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 01:01 AM
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World War II was full of propaganda. It is a fact that many high ranking members of the National party and other high profile people involved escaped to Argentina after WWII. Argentina sheltered them and even provided jobs in government, some in military positions. Back then Argentina was a quiet ally of Germany. Many of these people lived full lives in Argentina, some even not even hiding and writing books etc. One instance was many former Luftwaffe joined the Argentian Airforce and helped invent a new jet.

But to put this in context, even America with operation paper clip gave former military members high ranking jobs. Hell even your head of NASA (Wernher Magnus Maximilian) was a National Socialist member who headed the V2 program. America even snatched up the German intelligence agency and merged them into the CIA to operate against Russia.

ODESSA was the code name for the Rat line to Argentina and it was helped by the Pope and Vatican.

I wouldn't rule out that Hitlers death is not as commonly believe only because you cannot trust Russia's version of the events, they did lie a number of times and changed story. I don't doubt hes dead, just Russia's version of events.

Berlin surrendered on 2 May. Records in the Soviet archives, obtained after the fall of the Soviet Union, state that the remains of Hitler, Braun, Joseph and Magda Goebbels, the six Goebbels children, General Hans Krebs, and Hitler's dogs were repeatedly buried and exhumed.[302] On 4 April 1970, a Soviet KGB team used detailed burial charts to exhume five wooden boxes at the SMERSH facility in Magdeburg. The remains from the boxes were burned, crushed, and scattered into the Biederitz river, a tributary of the nearby Elbe.[303] According to Kershaw the corpses of Braun and Hitler were fully burned when the Red Army found them, and only a lower jaw with dental work could be identified as Hitler's remains.[304]



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 01:17 AM
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South America; idk about that.

Why couldn't he have finished die glocke? Why coudn't the vrill have something planned out with ET's?

Why couldn't Hitler travel into the future and perfect his "glocke" then travel back.

All the mainstream UFO's showed up after the "vanishing" of der führer.

Also, Admiral Byrd even said the individuals he encountered in the "middle" of the planet spoke Deutsch!

However, they were kind to him according to his accounts at least.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 08:48 AM
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You must first understand the truth about World war 2. Hitler and the nazi ideals was were created by and funded by elements in the west. Prescott Bush, Bush jr's grandfather was charged with aiding and trading with the enemy through his Union bank.Link


All these lies including the reason and number for the killing of jews was used to create the state of Israel and deal a devastating blow to the Chinese and Russian population.
50 million Russian and Chinese civilians were killed not to mention the 2 Atom bombs on civilian cities in japan. in result the world bank own the devastated countries for they need money for rebuilding and then the united nations was established. The Nazi flag came down and the U.N flag took its place, like the finishing move in RISK, Israel was created on top of Palestinian land for the refuge of mainly polish jews that were uprooted by the sham. Genius.

Long story short, hitler was a puppet for a higher power. Here he is after WW2 alive and well.
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 08:49 AM
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One of Hitler's bodyguards, Rochus Misch, who has been on many documentaries has said he witnessed Hitler's body being taken out for burning.

Misch on YouTube

That's the problem, both Hitler and Eva Braun were burned to ashes outside the bunker so there is no physical evidence of his remains. This has led to speculation that he survived.

Hitler's last chance to escape was probably when the test pilot Hanna Reitsch flew her short take off and landing Fieseler Fi 156 Storch and landed near the Brandenburg Gate on April 26, 1945.

Even if he did escape, the Nazis were totally beaten, and a sick and dying old man wouldn't make a difference. I think he took his own (and Eva's) life because he didn't want to be captured and treated like Mussolini was.

There's a good fictional historical spy thriller novel called "The Berkut" written by Joseph Heywood. It depicts Hitler's escape as well as what the end of the war looked like in Germany. The ending of the book is priceless.

The Berkut



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 08:57 AM
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sk0rpi0n
Oh. Sorry then.

I've heard of Nazis escape to South America, but this bit about Hitler is new to me.

Mods please lock/move topic.


No please mods don't move! This is news to me and if the above critical poster can elaborate as to when this information was released in the MSM, I would be happy to change my opinion!

This is BREAKING news to me, this information was never released by my knowledge and this is great stuff to know! That basically the government LIED blatently to it's people about what really happened. AGAIN



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 10:56 AM
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Wow. You actually posted this...



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 11:16 AM
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Shadow Herder
You must first understand the truth about World war 2. Hitler and the nazi ideals was were created by and funded by elements in the west. Prescott Bush, Bush jr's grandfather was charged with aiding and trading with the enemy through his Union bank.Link


All these lies including the reason and number for the killing of jews was used to create the state of Israel and deal a devastating blow to the Chinese and Russian population.
50 million Russian and Chinese civilians were killed not to mention the 2 Atom bombs on civilian cities in japan. in result the world bank own the devastated countries for they need money for rebuilding and then the united nations was established. The Nazi flag came down and the U.N flag took its place, like the finishing move in RISK, Israel was created on top of Palestinian land for the refuge of mainly polish jews that were uprooted by the sham. Genius.

Long story short, hitler was a puppet for a higher power. Here he is after WW2 alive and well.
edit on 17-4-2014 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)
edit on 17-4-2014 by Shadow Herder because: (no reason given)


You need to know most of the Russians was killed by Stalin:
In February 1989, two years before the fall of the Soviet Union, a research paper by Georgian historian Roy Aleksandrovich Medvedev published in the weekly tabloid Argumenti i Fakti estimated that the death toll directly attributable to Stalin’s rule amounted to some 20 million lives (on top of the estimated 20 million Soviet troops and civilians who perished in the Second World War), for a total tally of 40 million.
''It's important that they published it, although the numbers themselves are horrible,'' Medvedev told the New York Times at the time.
''Those numbers include my father.''
Indeed, Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn, the literary giant who wrote harrowingly about the Soviet gulag system, claimed the true number of Stalin’s victims might have been as high as 60 million.

The Atomic bomb would have been used by the Japanese if the had time, that is why they were stalling. (see: documentaryheaven.com...)
The Russian over ran the site and took everything.

After WW2 Hitler was neither alive or WELL! Even his doctor said he suffered from irritable bowel syndrome, skin lesions, irregular heartbeat, coronary sclerosis, Parkinson's disease, syphilis, and tinnitus he said he administered 90 pills a day to Hitler by wars end and felt he was close to death, Hitler fired him accusing his doctor of poisoning him as Hitler was also paranoid.

Hitler alive and WELL? I think not!



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 11:30 AM
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I've always heard the conspiracy "theory" regarding this and believed it was true. It's nice to know that it's finally been publicly verified. S&F

I want to make this point, which I may expand later - I believe Hitler was aided by certain groups/people in the USA to get to S. America. This type of escape ties in very well with Operation Paperclip and things that transpired under American leadership in Germany (lots of pardoning of some heinous individuals).



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 12:40 PM
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Hitler's last chance to escape was probably when the test pilot Hanna Reitsch flew her short take off and landing Fieseler Fi 156 Storch and landed near the Brandenburg Gate on April 26, 1945.


You are correct however Muller was in the room along with Hanna Reitsch when Von Greim was being treated for his foot wound. The Fuhrer promoted him to head of the Luftwaffe. Fegelein was there too and according to Traudl Junge(who we know had many problems with the truth) they discussed a " tunnel under the Russians to the Yanks" She repeated that phrase Fran Goebbels to try to convince her the children could escape to the Americans-because the Russians would have raped and killed the girls as soon as they were discovered.

We know that some how Muller ended up in Washington DC in 1947. The stories about Fegelein are so confused it's impossible to know just what happened to him as, like the Fuhrer, his body was never found.

The Fuhrer took his own life in the Bunker however there are so many peculiarities to the event that it will fascinate persons forever. It's been more than 35 years since I read Professor Trevor Roper 'The last days of Hitler' and I am still fascinated by it. It is good at least some here know the truth-as it can be very hard to find.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 01:26 PM
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Shadow Herder


Long story short, hitler was a puppet for a higher power. Here he is after WW2 alive and well.

Yes he was a puppet. The foto you posted is intriguing



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 01:44 PM
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If Hitler escaped to South America, his ego wouldn't have let him stay hidden long.
I'm sticking with him dying in Germany ... unless some forensics come up.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 03:15 PM
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Chrisfishenstein
No please mods don't move! This is news to me and if the above critical poster can elaborate as to when this information was released in the MSM, I would be happy to change my opinion!

This is BREAKING news to me, this information was never released by my knowledge and this is great stuff to know! That basically the government LIED blatently to it's people about what really happened. AGAIN


You should reread the story. It's not a fact that Hitler is in South America, it's merely a mainstream source reporting that the FBI had received tips he was there. There's no confirmation that anyone found any truth in that.



posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 04:05 PM
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originally posted by: Shadow Herder
You must first understand the truth about World war 2. Hitler and the nazi ideals was were created by and funded by elements in the west. Prescott Bush, Bush jr's grandfather was charged with aiding and trading with the enemy through his Union bank.Link


All these lies including the reason and number for the killing of jews was used to create the state of Israel and deal a devastating blow to the Chinese and Russian population.
50 million Russian and Chinese civilians were killed not to mention the 2 Atom bombs on civilian cities in japan. in result the world bank own the devastated countries for they need money for rebuilding and then the united nations was established. The Nazi flag came down and the U.N flag took its place, like the finishing move in RISK, Israel was created on top of Palestinian land for the refuge of mainly polish jews that were uprooted by the sham. Genius.

Long story short, hitler was a puppet for a higher power. Here he is after WW2 alive and well.

Intriguing! where did you find the picture? and what's the story behind it?
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posted on Apr, 17 2014 @ 04:15 PM
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For it to be on a mainstream website is something else entirely in terms of making this less of a conspiracy theory and more of a conspiracy fact.


For heavens sake!
Because of something has been a news of aMainstream-Corporation, it is less of a conspiracy theory and more of a conspiracy fact???

We here in Germany got another one bout Hitler. The russians gave us(and why not to austria???) "back" some bones that tey told us should be Hitlers remains. So one of germanys best pathologists, or maybe the best, did a research on the bones and teeth the russians gave us. He had old dentist records of Hitlers bad teeth, and it matched. He also did a research if the teeth and bones are real, by age etc.
I don´t know if this is really real, because i couldn´t find it on Yahoo-News...just jokin!
I really don´t know what is reality, and what is a lie. But if i read something on the MSM, my chief conception is:
LIE! Because of some kind of Propaganda!

Look, by now, here in Germany, theres a revival of the so called "Montags-Demos", protests, that brought down the wall in Germany at that time(we all know, that in reality it haven´t been the people, the UDSSR was bancrupt...). This peacefull demonstrations happened, and now happen again, on mondays. Since weeks, in many big and smaller cities, and every monday they get bigger. The people, unemplyoed besides university-profs, muslims besides christs, olds besides youngs, protest against warmongering, for an independent and free media, against the us-controlled surveillance terror, against a corporation-world, for an end of that interest-money-system, against the sellout of the own people to corporations etc.
And for Freedom!!!

And guess what the Mainstream-Media is doing? First they kept silent about this peoples protests for freedom and free and independent media and against that warmongering of the "now"-media, the controlled MSM in the first line. But now, since all this MSM get bad mails against their propaganda, the still open comment-areas are bombed with critics, the MSM determined to make all this peacefull protesters to rightwinged esoteric Nazi-Conspiracytheorists.
If you want to defame someone in germany, make him a Nazi!
This is what mainstream-media is, and this is, what they are actually doing!

Please wake up!
btw, i´m sorry for my english, course i´m just a halfcast-kraut...
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