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OtherSideOfTheCoin
Besides the 145,000 members of the American society for Civil engineers seem to disagree with A&E for 9/11 truth.
Cached Fire Engineering page
Fire Engineering has good reason to believe that the "official investigation" blessed by FEMA and run by the American Society of Civil Engineers is a half-baked farce that may already have been commandeered by political forces whose primary interests, to put it mildly, lie far afield of full disclosure. Except for the marginal benefit obtained from a three-day, visual walk-through of evidence sites conducted by ASCE investigation committee members- described by one close source as a "tourist trip"-no one's checking the evidence for anything.
OtherSideOfTheCoin
So lets go about this another way.
you tell me what you think happened?
My position with regard to the issues of the terror attacks of 9/11, and the ensuing controversies.
I believe one or more covert organizations within the U.S. Government recruited and manipulated extremist Muslims with the intent to carry out a high profile catastrophic attacks on U.S. soil. (This has happened before and will happen again.)
I believe those covert organizations had tacit approval for their operation from the highest levels of government to create a need for an international war on terrorism. However, this does not mean those at the highest levels were fully aware of the details of the actual attack plan. (Clandestine services typically freelance, with top-tier bureaucrats most often unaware of actual plans.)
I believe that extremist Islamic terrorists hijacked and flew plans into the buildings on 9/11. However, it is my firm belief that their training was on a level far greater and more professional than has been revealed to the public. (Extreme expert-level instruction in conjunction with a regimen of mind-altering/enhancing substances can result in a person fully able to expertly pilot themselves to their death.)
I believe that some degree of exotic munitions were deployed within the buildings to ensure a startling degree of destruction. (Inner core failure is impossible given the impact and fire damage released by NIST.)
I believe that a complex campaign of deception and purposeful obfuscation was initiated on the evening of 9/11/2001 designed to create a firestorm of conjecture related to the events. (All clandestine operations of this magnitude include planning for "the story" and "the cover" to ensure any leaks or mistakes are covered by an overwhelming degree of data.)
I believe that a cottage industry of for-profit conspiracy theorists calling themselves "Truthers" have further obfuscated the events with purposefully false and ridiculous notions to aid the pre-existing agendas of the anti-establishment activists from which they came. (The Truth Movement is composed of primarily intensely liberal, anti-government extremists who would otherwise be searching for reasons to engage in protest against a Republican administration.)
I believe that an Internet pastime has developed in that groups of people find pleasure in seeking out speculative discussions of potential 9/11 conspiracy theories and engaging in overly intense ridicule behind the convenience of online anonymity. Those who participate take perverse pleasure in their digital bullying activity. (In fact, an entire and popular online forum has developed as an organizational gathering point for this very activity.)
I believe that agents of the covert group responsible for planning the attacks have played a role in pushing the Truth Movement to extremism and absurdity, as well as having some role in encouraging the evolution of the ridicule-as-entertainment group. (This environment has created a "perfect storm" such that few, if any, legitimate journalists would dare get involved in 9/11-related scandals.)
I believe that intelligent examination of these issues is currently improbable. But I also believe that those with intelligence who wish to engage in impartial speculation based on factual material and historical record dare not stop.
If not us, then who?
If not now, then when?
If not here, then where?
If we stop, what will we see in the mirror?
OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by _BoneZ_
I see things like this all the time and hear arguments like yours all the time, it simply does not prove that 9/11 was a inside job.
OtherSideOfTheCoin
reply to post by Sremmos80
Where did they all go, so if the planes where remote I am guessing they would have to have got rid of the real air crew and passengers or switched the planes so what did they do with them and how did they do it?
mrtoidclover
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
With the research you claim you have done what would be your reply to why has the tunnel connecting the towers not been suspect? Or how do over 2500 bodies disappear amongst the destruction? And please do not tell me they burned because that is like saying all the bodies were placed where the pockets of fire were after the collapse.edit on 8-4-2014 by mrtoidclover because: (no reason given)
TheLieWeLive
At work last week I met a customer who at first I only thought was ex law enforcement. My manager started asking her what she was retired from. She said she recently moved from Virginia and was Ex FBI. He then jokingly said "So are you a 9/11 truther?" The lady then said 'Well I can tell you that the day before, on the 10th, certain Israeli employees were told not to report to work the next day." My manager didn't expect her to be serious so he then changed the subject. I bit my lip and should have interrupted and asked more but her saying that much made my jaw drop.
TheLieWeLive
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
So you're going to call me liar because I forgot to put in that they worked at the towers, which I fixed even before you responded?
Sorry for the confusion but calling people liars is how you deal with the subject? How about responding to my first post a page back? Am I lying there also?
Oh and I didn't ask the question. My manager did and yes he would just out and out ask this question because he is usually uncouth about things. Kind of like your response was.
edit on 8-4-2014 by TheLieWeLive because: (no reason given)
OtherSideOfTheCoin
TheLieWeLive
reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin
So you're going to call me liar because I forgot to put in that they worked at the towers, which I fixed even before you responded?
Sorry for the confusion but calling people liars is how you deal with the subject? How about responding to my first post a page back? Am I lying there also?
Oh and I didn't ask the question. My manager did and yes he would just out and out ask this question because he is usually uncouth about things. Kind of like your response was.
edit on 8-4-2014 by TheLieWeLive because: (no reason given)
No it still applies
and yes this is how i deal with the subject now, I am usually as polite as i can be but now, now am just fed up with it.
your clearly lying by saying that a former FBI agent just happened to walk into your place of work introduce herself to your manager who in the course of a conversation asked if she was a 9/11 turther and then she just happened to tell him about all the Israeli's being told not going into work and then just move on to talk about furniture or whatever.
That is quite obviously a lie
quite funny as well that you realized you had made a mistake and then changed it when i pointed it out that the FBI do not recruit Israeli's so you changed that bit.
just move on
it does make me wonder though, if you truthers are so convinced why do you have to make up these lies.edit on 8-4-2014 by OtherSideOfTheCoin because: (no reason given)
Denial isn't a river in Egypt, its an ATS member named OtherSideOfTheCoin.
Liar, liar pants on fire. Baaaahhhhhhhaaaaaa.
When and where did I say she walked into where I work? I was at her house if you need to know
Call me a liar
I don't care
It seems to be the way you deal with the subject.
You have the logic of a child
Go to bed it's past your bedtime.
ScientiaFortisDefendit
You can't argue with physics. Regardless of who was responsible, buildings don't fall like that without lots of help. Sorry.
OtherSideOfTheCoin
Sorry but yes they do.
And they did.