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bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by squittles
I'll go one step further: i blame the "its for the children" crowd for the "livable wage" crowd even existing. Its for the children has destroyed our schools. We create people who know what to think, but not how to think. They believe that if they just participate, they'll succeed. Everyone gets the same prize, and life is fair.
edit on 4/3/2014 by bigfatfurrytexan because: (no reason given)
crazyewok
WarminIndy
The next time you see a peer-reviewed science journal, tell me about the grammar and spelling.
And yes of course it will be perfect in spelling and grammar. In fact I know a few who get interns to proof read it.
Butr look in there lab books and notes? Well you will be shocked and have a heart attack
WarminIndy
If a doctor doesn't care that he misspells a medication and a pharmacist has to call to verify the prescription...wait, didn't people die because of that very thing? Oh yes, people DIED because a doctor had the attitude
Yup and it causes us scientists and technicians a bigger work load too as we have to decipher there crap.
But fact is it happens. And it has always happened.
squittles
I feel badly for the kids of parents who allow their kids to be socialized in that "non-competitive, non-adversarial" way - because life in the world *is* a competition.
WarminIndy
Why are there so many recalls of automobiles from faulty parts? They have specs that the car is designed by, but someone sure drops the ball a lot on that one.
If they knew the parts were faulty, why were they allowed to be installed? Oh wait, the attitude of "it's just grammar and English, it doesn't matter" doesn't cut it. Yes, when lives are on the line it does matter.
Aazadan
squittles
I feel badly for the kids of parents who allow their kids to be socialized in that "non-competitive, non-adversarial" way - because life in the world *is* a competition.
I don't agree with you at all because life itself is not a competition and it shouldn't be. Competition is another way of saying, the one that controls the rules of the game wins.
WarminIndy
No, the one who PLAYS THE GAME the best is who wins.
The sooner you figure out the game, the sooner you play it. But those poor, unfortunates you love to talk about, some of them are the best system players. They learned how to play the game. And you are the poor sucker who is paying for them.
CT_Flyboy
reply to post by sarra1833
I suspect that the number of 260000 is EXCEEDINGLY low. The idea that you need a college degree to make a good living is one of the biggest LIES perpetrated upon our young people. How many families have been bankrupt by going into debt to the tune of a quarter million dollars just so their kid could go to that special school? Hell, even state schools can cost upwards of 50K per year, PLUS room and board and other fees. We need to be teaching our young people trades and life skills.
FriedBabelBroccoli
People need to question why there is such a focus on science and technology creating a utopia. Every day I find myself questioning if these folks are mentally damaged from the experience and then shudder when I realize the media portrays them everyday as the superhero leaders of tomorrow.edit on 4-4-2014 by FriedBabelBroccoli because: 101
Aazadan
WarminIndy
No, the one who PLAYS THE GAME the best is who wins.
That means you're losing and so am I. Sure in the grand scheme of things we can each point to people we're doing better than, every single person on earth other than the person in absolute dead last place can do that, but that doesn't mean you're actually doing well. Being ahead of a few people doesn't mean you're winning, in fact in most games that contain a random element (and life contains many) the best very often isn't in first place.
Those that are actually winning the game are ahead of you by orders of magnitude. Between the top 3% and the 1% is a factor of 100x, between the 1% and the .1% is another factor of 100x, between the .1% and the .01% is another 100x factor. 85 people own 50% of the worlds wealth, unless you are one of those 85 people you are behind by such an order of magnitude that most humans can't even comprehend it.
If this were a game (something I know quite a bit about), for every point you earn (assuming you're at the median US income), they earn 4.66 billion points. The scales are so drastically different that the two of you can't even be said to be using the same resource system or playing the same game. In actual reality they aren't playing the same game as you because while you work for money they have the power to create it from nothing and give themselves as much as they want.
The sooner you figure out the game, the sooner you play it. But those poor, unfortunates you love to talk about, some of them are the best system players. They learned how to play the game. And you are the poor sucker who is paying for them.
What does welfare have to do with any of this? Jobs don't exist for graduates. At a 40 hour work week less than 100% of the population is required to meet the needs and wants of 100% of the population. As a result, a large portion of the population is going to be unemployed or seriously underemployed. This is a problem that is only going to get worse. The economic model must change to account for this.edit on 3-4-2014 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)edit on 3-4-2014 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)
WarminIndy
Well then you need to play the game better.
And yes, they are playing the game better than you, perhaps you should meet some of them. Because they are sitting around with their free phones, free health care, free day care, free internet...while you, the sucker, pays for it. And President Obama said it's your Individual Shared Responsibility. You wanted the Socialist state, you got it. Now live with it. And eventually you will get the job, it might not be the one you wanted, but you'll get it and you better not complain about it. They have ways of making you not complain.
Aazadan
WarminIndy
Well then you need to play the game better.
And yes, they are playing the game better than you, perhaps you should meet some of them. Because they are sitting around with their free phones, free health care, free day care, free internet...while you, the sucker, pays for it. And President Obama said it's your Individual Shared Responsibility. You wanted the Socialist state, you got it. Now live with it. And eventually you will get the job, it might not be the one you wanted, but you'll get it and you better not complain about it. They have ways of making you not complain.
Again, what does welfare have to do with any of this, and why should I be jealous of those on it? If that's how they choose to live their life then good for them. I would rather do something productive with my time regardless of what I get paid for doing it, but a living wage sure would be nice.
A free phone is worth what, $50/month? Phones are essential in modern day living. Besides that if you ever happened to actually look into the lifeline program (which is what Obamaphones are, lifeline has a long history) you would see that cell phones have a limited number of minutes. That the program can be abused and a small minority of those getting assistance can stockpile 100 phones means nothing. The waste in that program is under 1%, that's a small price to pay in order for everyone to have telephone access (and yes... cell phones are better because they have long distance, I had a land line on lifeline in the past and there was no long distance that significantly limited job prospects).
I'm not touching health care here, but according to the constitution people have the right to life. That says it all to me. Should the sick just die in the streets because they lack the resources to pay for care? Especially when a large portion lack those resources specifically because there aren't enough jobs to go around?
Free day care so someone can actually afford to leave the house to contribute? What's better? Someone sitting at home raising a child 24 hours a day or someone raising a child 16 hours a day and working to support themselves the other 8 hours? Maybe that day care even frees the parent up to go to school and get a better job so the child can have a better life. Is this a bad thing?
Free internet. Now you're against public libraries? Maybe we should just teach everyone how I have free internet? I hack nearby wifi signals to get it. As far as I'm concerned the internet is just a more efficient printing press. If there's public libraries for books there should be public internet for websites.
Besides that you have yet to explain what any of this has to do with winning the game. Is it suddenly winning the game to earn $12,000/year but have a lifestyle more like $20,000/year? I'm sure that's what everyone is aspiring to... to have a lifestyle like the bottom 20-25% of income earners in the country.
If I accepted the premise of life being a game in the first place, to me winning wouldn't be getting a few things for free and being among the poorest in society. It would be one of those that has 4.66 billion times as much as the average person. Even then however if I were one of those 87 people I bet that 87th person sure doesn't feel like he's winning he's dead last on the list of people earning somewhat similar incomes.edit on 4-4-2014 by Aazadan because: (no reason given)
Aazadan
squittles
I feel badly for the kids of parents who allow their kids to be socialized in that "non-competitive, non-adversarial" way - because life in the world *is* a competition.
I don't agree with you at all because life itself is not a competition and it shouldn't be. Competition is another way of saying, the one that controls the rules of the game wins. How do you feel about HFT? Do you realize the stock market is 100% rigged because of that? It's just a competition though so it's perfectly ok right? How about waste disposal companies that dump waste off the coast of Somalia because they don't have a government and military to say no? They're just the losers of the competition and should pay the price right?
squittles
Aazadan
squittles
I feel badly for the kids of parents who allow their kids to be socialized in that "non-competitive, non-adversarial" way - because life in the world *is* a competition.
I don't agree with you at all because life itself is not a competition and it shouldn't be. Competition is another way of saying, the one that controls the rules of the game wins. How do you feel about HFT? Do you realize the stock market is 100% rigged because of that? It's just a competition though so it's perfectly ok right? How about waste disposal companies that dump waste off the coast of Somalia because they don't have a government and military to say no? They're just the losers of the competition and should pay the price right?
I can't imagine you don't believe competition isn't the very basis of life and the civilization we've reached thus far - we'd never even have evolved without it.
I mean, why isn't the NBA comprised of 5'4" fat guys waddling down the court? Why isn't MIT full of average kids who can't do math? Why don't we *all* go to MIT? Why don't we *all* live in mansions and fly first-class? Conversely, saying no one can be "rich" is the same is saying "we must all be poor."
Your ideation is fine and pretty, but you're deceiving yourself - I doubt any of which you've achieved in your life, the things that surround you is anything but the result of competition. This is a world of finite resources, and if you just sit on the wet ground and wait for some of those resources to be given to you, like manna from heaven, well, good luck with that.
Competition has it's ugly sides, and must be tempered with / constrained by an ethical code, to be sure. But it's ingrained in our DNA.
bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Aazadan
Go on thinking that way. The folks who see life as a competition will just eat you alive. Then you will be sitting and whining about how it isn't fair, and how you still deserve a "livable wage". Despite doing nothing to deserve it other than living.
Your constitution guarantees you the right to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. It doesn't guarantee you will have it. You will only have that which you are willing to get.
It isn't a "Participants" world. "Participants" flip burgers and whine about "livable wage". It is a competitive world. You better get to stretching and warming up....the race has already started.
When I got here, I found out three things:
first, the streets weren't paved with gold; second, they weren't paved
at all; and third, I was expected to pave them."
WarminIndy
I see now that you have no idea just exactly who I am talking about.
bigfatfurrytexan
reply to post by Aazadan
Go on thinking that way. The folks who see life as a competition will just eat you alive. Then you will be sitting and whining about how it isn't fair, and how you still deserve a "livable wage". Despite doing nothing to deserve it other than living.
Your constitution guarantees you the right to pursue life, liberty, and happiness. It doesn't guarantee you will have it. You will only have that which you are willing to get.
It isn't a "Participants" world. "Participants" flip burgers and whine about "livable wage". It is a competitive world. You better get to stretching and warming up....the race has already started.
Aazadan
Competition to me implies that if one person is winning another person is losing, economics however aren't 0 sum and it's possible to make an exchange in which both parties come out ahead. Before writing this I just got turned down for a job, does that somehow mean I lost or that I'm a less valuable person? Or does it mean that someone with a subjective set of standards which I have no control over went in another direction?
That happens day in and day out to everyone, competition means winning yet people mostly lose. The premise is flawed.