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reply to post by edward777
Without devolving into the typical "Did Noah really exist" stuff, if you think these "other" survivors are mistaken for UFOs and aliens, where do they live? Noah's 7 billion contemporary descendants have pretty well populated the Earth (cough: I know, just don't go there this time.) with just what? a few people? Surely the "other survivors" were at least that, and very likely much more numbers, who would also tend to, umm, want to reproduce. So, particularly if they were technologically advanced, where are they? Flying around in UFOs is one thing, but surely they have to park to use the toilet, get some more gas, enjoy sunsets on the beach, perform financial transactions, and, you know, live like the rest of us when we are not in or vehicles.
Your scenario conveniently forgets this "other' population as a whole and where they might be.
The people who were washed away by the flood were the individuals that were intermixed with demons. Noah and his family were the only ones who were still made in the image of God, untainted by the breeding from the demons. So the ones who died weren't different in terms of ideology as much as they were different in their genetic makeup.
Okay, so 12 thousand years or so they would just hang out with us? Think about all the alternatives including space.
Also, what if Noah's descendants are the bloodline families ancestor while others were people in less advanced regions who were living a primitive existence? The flood did not necessarily destroy all land masses.
Ignoring all the other logical fallacies of the flood story in the Bible, how do we see so much diversity in humans if we are all descendants of Noah and the other 7 people on the ark?
According to the story, only Noah, his wife, their three sons and their wives survived the flood and everyone else on earth was killed. If anyone can come up with at least a semi-possible theory, we'll move on to the next unbelievable portion of the tall tale.
If you think about it, there were clearly more people on Earth than Adam and Eve's descendants. The land of Nod (where Cain wound up) is just one example.
Yet it is now mainstream science to suggest that people will use genetic enhancement and nano-technology to extend the lifespan hundreds of years if not longer.
So if they preserved that technology then wouldn't they eventually have been regarded as gods by the ancients and today seen as aliens?
If in the distant past someone surviving a large flood didn't happen it's probably the greatest hoax in human history since every culture around the world has their own version of a similar story.
I personally believe the flood story but I fail to see how interjecting aliens into it makes it any more believable?
Every culture DOESN'T have the flood story, that's Christian propaganda when they say everyone has the flood story. Lots of cultures have such a story because lots of cultures have flooding, so can conceive that a worldwide flood would be a huge disaster. If anything the hoax is that the biblical flood was recorded everywhere.
the physical evidence does not support the existence or possibility of a worldwide flood.
Every culture doesn't, but lots do? Which is it?
I don't think anyone has ever claimed EVERY culture, but the point is that enough do to call it a common theme in mythology.
Although Christians may point to this as "proof" of THEIR myth, the fact is that they still exist and have been reported not just by Christians, but by anthropologists and folklorists worldwide. Christians may seek to claim it, but other cultures can also assert their right to say that Noah was simply a local variation from a small desert tribe of no consequence.
Apologists will claim that the majority of ancient cultures were near the sea and rivers, and that rivers flood, therefore that is the origin of the ubiquitous "Flood myth."
Well, it does, actually. You can go diving in the Sea of Japan and find structures with steps that look like ancient stone buildings. These are not just "cracks in the rock" but equally spaced stone steps. You can do the same thing off the east coast of India, and there are some intriguing finds off the east coast of North America as well. Interestingly, most of the places where significant finds have been made are nowhere near traditional "Christian" territory. They are associated, at least physically, with cultures that never heard of Christianity until fairly modern missionaries showed up.
It's difficult to dive below 100 feet without specialized equipment, but you don't really have to. The "flood" likely amounted to not much more than this anyway. A rise in sea level of 80-100 feet would have effectively flooded most any seacoast civilization completely and as far as the residents were concerned, that qualified as a "worldwide flood" in their eyes.
I'm not trying to prove Noah nor support Christianity, mind you. I believe Noah, the person, and the details of the story, including the ark itself, to be details added for the benefit of the story. there was no ark full of animals two by two. If a "Noah-like" man existed, he grabbed a few goats and chickens and ran for the nearest big boat as the sea began to rise.
But the idea that global warming at the end of the last ice age 12-14,000 years ago melted an ice dam surrounding Hudson Bay and released trillions of gallons of water into the oceans in a few hours, thus flooding the coasts, makes sense to me. This is the same thing that happened with Lake Missoula in Canada, the resulting flood from which carved out eastern Washington as the water headed down the Columbia River Valley toward the Pacific, something completely accepted by science today. Hudson Bay was just a bit bigger, is all, and is the source for the flood stories.
Makes a lot more sense than "God did it."
edit on 3/26/2014 by schuyler because: (no reason given)
If it took Noah over 150 years to build the ark then certainly there had to be people who understood that what he was predicting was true, although they may have held to a different ideological framework than Noah. So if they preserved that technology then wouldn't they eventually have been regarded as gods by the ancients and today seen as aliens? I think this may be more plausible than the theories that aliens have been visiting for the extent of human history.
Gen 6:3 And the LORD said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be a hundred and twenty years.
Noah died 350 years after the Flood, at the age of 950, the last of the extremely long-lived antediluvian Patriarchs. The maximum human lifespan, as depicted by the Bible, diminishes rapidly thereafter, from almost 1,000 years to the 120 years of Moses.
Gen 6:13 And God said unto Noah, The end of all flesh is come before me; for the earth is filled with violence through them; and, behold, I will destroy them with the earth.
Gen 6:14 Make thee an ark of gopher wood; rooms shalt thou make in the ark, and shalt pitch it within and without with pitch.
Gen 6:15 And this is the fashion which thou shalt make it of: The length of the ark shall be three hundred cubits, the breadth of it fifty cubits, and the height of it thirty cubits.
Gen 6:16 A window shalt thou make to the ark, and in a cubit shalt thou finish it above; and the door of the ark shalt thou set in the side thereof; with lower, second, and third stories shalt thou make it.
Gen 6:17 And, behold, I, even I, do bring a flood of waters upon the earth, to destroy all flesh, wherein is the breath of life, from under heaven; and every thing that is in the earth shall die.
Gen 6:18 But with thee will I establish my covenant; and thou shalt come into the ark, thou, and thy sons, and thy wife, and thy sons' wives with thee.
Gen 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
Gen 7:11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, in the second month, the seventeenth day of the month, the same day were all the fountains of the great deep broken up, and the windows of heaven were opened.
Gen 7:12 And the rain was upon the earth forty days and forty nights.
Gen 7:13 In the selfsame day entered Noah, and Shem, and Ham, and Japheth, the sons of Noah, and Noah's wife, and the three wives of his sons with them, into the ark;
Gen 5:1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;
Gen 5:2 Male and female created he them; and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.
Gen 5:3 And Adam lived a hundred and thirty years, and begot a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:
Gen 5:4 And the days of Adam after he had begotten Seth were eight hundred years: and he begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:5 And all the days that Adam lived were nine hundred and thirty years: and he died.
Gen 5:6 And Seth lived a hundred and five years, and begot Enos:
Gen 5:7 And Seth lived after he begot Enos eight hundred and seven years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:8 And all the days of Seth were nine hundred and twelve years: and he died.
Gen 5:9 And Enos lived ninety years, and begot Cainan:
Gen 5:10 And Enos lived after he begot Cainan eight hundred and fifteen years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:11 And all the days of Enos were nine hundred and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:12 And Cainan lived seventy years, and begot Mahalaleel:
Gen 5:13 And Cainan lived after he begot Mahalaleel eight hundred and forty years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:14 And all the days of Cainan were nine hundred and ten years: and he died.
Gen 5:15 And Mahalaleel lived sixty and five years, and begot Jared:
Gen 5:16 And Mahalaleel lived after he begot Jared eight hundred and thirty years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:17 And all the days of Mahalaleel were eight hundred ninety and five years: and he died.
Gen 5:18 And Jared lived a hundred sixty and two years, and he begot Enoch:
Gen 5:19 And Jared lived after he begot Enoch eight hundred years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:20 And all the days of Jared were nine hundred sixty and two years: and he died.
Gen 5:21 And Enoch lived sixty and five years, and begot Methuselah:
Gen 5:22 And Enoch walked with God after he begot Methuselah three hundred years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:23 And all the days of Enoch were three hundred sixty and five years:
Gen 5:24 And Enoch walked with God: and he was not; for God took him.
Gen 5:25 And Methuselah lived a hundred eighty and seven years, and begot Lamech:
Gen 5:26 And Methuselah lived after he begot Lamech seven hundred eighty and two years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:27 And all the days of Methuselah were nine hundred sixty and nine years: and he died.
Gen 5:28 And Lamech lived a hundred eighty and two years, and begot a son:
Gen 5:29 And he called his name Noah, saying, This same shall comfort us concerning our work and toil of our hands, because of the ground which the LORD hath cursed.
Gen 5:30 And Lamech lived after he begot Noah five hundred ninety and five years, and begot sons and daughters:
Gen 5:31 And all the days of Lamech were seven hundred seventy and seven years: and he died.
Gen 5:32 And Noah was five hundred years old: and Noah begot Shem, Ham, and Japheth.
reply to post by schuyler
Since they have found all D.N.A of the world population came from less than 10 people it proves that a catastrophic event wiped out the world ....except for the ark.
even more, The evidence suggests there was higher pressure,more oxygen promoting life in a type of protection from terrestrial radiation , causing the blood plasma to take on oxygen allowing men to live 900+ years.
Some of you think it was just a myth but you really dont have a clue, because you DONT WANT IT TO BE TRUE BECAUSE YOU WOULD HAVE TO RE-EXAMINE YOUR LIVES.
They were told not to bring any technology to the new world, but they did.
reply to post by edward777
ET's and UFO's may not actually be ETs..they may be the social and scientific elite and their preserved craft who made it into protective habitats to emerge 1000's of years later...we may be the descendants of the lucky few who against the odds, managed to ride out the catastrophy that sent the elites into space /underground / undersea bases.
edit on 5-4-2014 by MysterX because: (no reason given)
"According to the legend, upon his conversion to Buddhism after a massacre during one of his wars, the Emperor founded the society of the Nine to preserve and develop knowledge that would be dangerous to humanity if it fell into the wrong hands.
The Nine were also charged by Asoka with manipulating the culture of India to present an image of a backwards and mystically-oriented people to the outside world in order to conceal the advanced scientific knowledge that was being accumulated within.
Some versions of the story include an additional motivation for the Emperor to conceal scientific knowledge: remnants of the Rama Empire, an Indian version of Atlantis, which according to Hindu scripture was destroyed by advanced weaponry 15000 years ago."