With 79% Turnout, Exit Polls Confirm 93% Voters Back Crimea Joining Russia

Cracks me up that America a "beacon" of "democracy" and "freedom" support a week old group (current so called government of Ukraine) that obtained power by force even using snipers against their own people protesting that overthrew a elected government.

BUT - they wont support a population that choose to leave Ukraine due to the above and join Russia.

Stinks of hypocrisy and politics

The following link shows the political divide in Ukraine. If you look at the 2010 election results provided in the link you will see the divide is both ethnic and political with the majority of people who voted for ousted President Viktor Yanukovych living in parts of the nation with the highest percentage of Russian speakers.

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Reinmax
Cracks me up that America a "beacon" of "democracy" and "freedom" support a week old group (current so called government of Ukraine) that obtained power by force even using snipers against their own people protesting that overthrew a elected government.

BUT - they wont support a population that choose to leave Ukraine due to the above and join Russia.

Stinks of hypocrisy and politics

Double standards are a major trait of American personality.

No wonder you find so many BISEXUALS in this country.

Konduit
If Texas was holding a referendum to secede from the union back to Mexico.... would Russia have any right to interfere?

I think Russia would be obligated to interfere if they had convinced the entire US to disarm in exchange for sovereignty from Mexico and agreed publicly and verbally to defend the country alongside 4 other nations should Mexico ever try to invade. This is what happened in the Ukraine. They once had nuclear weapons...now they don't have that deterrent and its because NATO and the US convinced them to give them up in 1992.

Without a NATO response, no country will fall for that "give up your nuclear arms" line again.

SLAYER69

benrl
This is an internal matter between the People of the Ukraine, Crimea and Russia.

If truly 'internal' it wouldn't include 'Russia...

considering Crimea considers just voted itself Russian, then I think it does more so than anyone else.

CJCrawley
reply to post by Konduit

 

Amazing how many people on this thread feel that they know whats better for the people living in Crimea then the actual citizens themselves.

Crimea's not a country, sport.

They can't just decide to split from the country they're a part of and join another one.

How does that work?

How does it work? You vote on it. And Crimea has just voted to do what you say they can't and by a landslide.

I believe the West will eventually end up losing every country they have used these tactics in. The world is going to be an ugly place real soon, simply because the West no longer allows the people to be able to determine their own fate and everyone but those pushing the buttons is unhappy about what is going down.

sligtlyskeptical
I believe the West will eventually end up losing every country they have used these tactics in. The world is going to be an ugly place real soon, simply because the West no longer allows the people to be able to determine their own fate and everyone but those pushing the buttons is unhappy about what is going down.

You know what, the west blew it, they had their chance, their greed and lies ruined everything, people got sick of being lied to.
Actually these guys from Russia are much worse than americans, but people had enough of lies, and wars, and being treated as retarded for so long.
They lost their credibility, people see in Putin a more sensible leader, and hes just as bad as Obama, and bush and clinton, only more clever. Hes not going to put his good name on the line, over and over again, as the US did for the last 20 years. He doesnt underestimate people, the west did.
People would still chose to belong to the west, and see an ally in America, if they havent f* up so many times these last few years (Supporting neonazis? islam extremists? WTF? Who do they take us for? There are things the telly simply cant hide!)
Crimea is a dif matter, since it has always belong to Russia, but as you say, this will go down in other countries as well.

reply to post by sligtlyskeptical

And Crimea has just voted to do what you say they can't and by a landslide.

Yep.

With a heavy Russian military presence and a puppet pro-Russian prime minister which central Ukraine government doesn't recognise.

reply to post by payta

Crimea is a dif matter, since it has always belong to Russia

It's actually been a part of Ukraine since 1954.

reply to post by CJCrawley


Those people in Crimea sure like their puppets. In 2010 they voted over 75% for the ousted President. It's amazing how consistently they vote the wrong way and end up with an elected puppet instead of an appointed pro-western democratic government who loves freedom.



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reply to post by john452


doesn't that ring true?

Crimea backed the ''pro Russian'' Ukrainian leader when he was in power. (he was pro russian)

Now, they have backed becoming Russian once their wanted leader has been turfed out.

sounds to me like they've always had the same mindset.

even a child says Russia www.youtube.com... 1:00 & 1:53

Does anybody else notice a trend happening with the EU that the MSM seems to be ignoring?

Scottish Independence Referendum 2014

Catalonia Prepares for Referendum on Secession From Spain 2014

Venice Prepares for Referendum on Secession From Italy 2014

Something is very rotten in the EU, but nobody is talking about intervening in Spain or taking military action in Scotland.

john452
reply to post by CJCrawley

 

Those people in Crimea sure like their puppets. In 2010 they voted over 75% for the ousted President. It's amazing how consistently they vote the wrong way and end up with an elected puppet instead of an appointed pro-western democratic government who loves freedom.

3 weeks ago NATO/EU backed groups overthrew the elected Ukrainian government and have taken over Kiev, the capital. I think the Crimean's are doing this because they are afraid of these groups that are notably anti-Slav and anti-Russian.

If a foreign power came to Puerto Rico and attempted to finance groups to overthrow the established government, the United States would be there in a heartbeat.

What frightens me about this situation is that it echoes the 2008 Russo-Georgian Conflict, where Georgians backed by NATO attacked Russian military bases, killing all personnel on site.

The Russians responded with overwhelming force, rolling in hundreds of thousands of troops and mobile medium ranged nuclear missile launchers targeted on Europe. A press conference was held on Russian TV and the chairman joint chief of staff said to back off or they will fire weapons within the next hour. NATO backed off... will they this time?

This can very well lead to WW3.

pro-American neo j*wnazi creature sniffing the floor and on my must sniff bricks www.youtube.com...

Konduit
What frightens me about this situation is that it echoes the 2008 Russo-Georgian Conflict, where Georgians backed by NATO attacked Russian military bases, killing everyone on site.

The Russians then rolled in with overwhelming force, hundreds of thousands of troops and mobile medium ranged nuclear missile launchers targeted on Europe. A press conference was held on Russian TV and the chairman joint chief of staff said to back off or they will fire weapons within the next hour. NATO backed off... will they this time?

This can very well lead to WW3.

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If any ex soviet republic other than Baltics tries to join NATO then Putin will act up again. These include Ukraine, Georgia, Azerberzian and others.

If NATO responds then there will be WW3. All, White House, Brussels and Kremlin know this.

NATO tested this resolve in Georgia and now in Ukraine. It got the responses and right answers.

Now knowing all this, all the "major dudes" involved should work on something that does not bring us to WW3.

Enough encirclement of Russia, not anymore ! Putin and his Silovikis do not like that !!

Hope & Change

Donetsk is also our www.youtube.com...

And in other fine examples of democracy in action around the world Kim Jong-Il was accepted by 100% of his electorate....

victor7

If any ex soviet republic other than Baltics tries to join NATO then Putin will act up again. These include Ukraine, Georgia, Azerberzian and others.

Why can't those countries also decide their own fate democratically?

Or is democracy in eastern Europe only what Putin says it is??

Enough encirclement of Russia, not anymore ! Putin and his Silovikis do not like that !!

There's no "encirclement of Russia" - they need to stop allowing their kleptocrats to push the paranoia buttons whenever they think someone might be getting close to slowing the flow of billions!

Folks on here are usually hot on one-side propaganda and I'm finding it highly illuminating that they apparently don't recognise it when it is for real from a real dictatorship and not their fantasy about Obama....who will be gone it 2 years .....but I'll bet Putin won't....