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With 79% Turnout, Exit Polls Confirm 93% Voters Back Crimea Joining Russia

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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 08:50 PM
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benrl
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Seems like a much more peaceful way to get a regime change than say Drone strikes and rolling in tanks though don't it?


My question and concern would be whether or not these people have truly been liberated given the lack of a bombing campaign or causalities.




posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 08:55 PM
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... so is this political dramaqueen thing over yet or...



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:04 PM
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Well its like a huge scam on the world, the way the US wants war.

abcnews.go.com...
Home> Politics
US Rejects Crimea Vote, Cites Russian Intimidation

And do I ever see a connection between this, as if they want to place a meme in american heads, that the gas shortage is all Russia's fault, so lets go to war. Its sickening, the level these low IQ morons stoop to when dealing with the citizens who are way over their heads in class and intellect apparently.

www.wesh.com...
Gas shortage frustrates Central Fla. motorists
Supply runs dry at some local gas stations

Some are saying this may go state wide.

www.businessinsider.com...

McCain calls Russia a walking gas station pretending to be a nation.

Its all supposed to get in people's minds, so wonder if they plan on shorting gas, and trying to bully people into going to war.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:11 PM
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Crimea was previously part of Russia and was 'given' to Ukraine as an appeasement, albeit an erstwhile gesture as it was and is disputed as an illegal move in the first place.

As such Crimea has more than twice legally attempted independence, which Ukraine trashed.

The people there are ethnically Russian and they want freedom from Ukraine and have done for a long time, they feel Russian, they speak Russian, they have alliances to Russia, they want to rejoin Russia.

Which is none of the rest of the world's business.

Despite international politics etc, this has always been the case, since it was given to Ukraine then annexed after the USSR. Fact.

Congrats to you on being duped by the US war machine (there's only one way, one democracy, one freedom and that's OUR way, OUR freedom, OUR democracy and the rest of the world can take a hike).



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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and Just like Syria its the right thing to do,

The US is too broke to be doing the heavy lifting As the World Police , let the UN handle it if its a big deal.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:15 PM
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... so is this political dramaqueen thing over yet or...


Not quite. Tomorrow we have the invisible Obama-Kerry red-line about whatever they think they're going to do. Then we can follow that with Russia turning off the gas to the EU and dumping US T-Bills. Following up any tough US imposed sanctions we have China in the wings having already said any economic sanction against Russia and China will begin retaliatory actions against the west.

All assuming the Prez can give up his golfing and Russia doesn't turn us into radioactive dust as was mentioned on their TV tonight.

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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:24 PM
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Bassago


All assuming the Prez can give up his golfing and Russia doesn't turn us into radioactive dust as was mentioned on their TV tonight.

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Aren't we sick of this crap, international politics, and US foreign policy has been a disaster post 911.

A joke at home and internationally, not to mention are we done living in a world where our children face extinction over pissing matches.


Maybe if we had a leg to stand on morally in telling the Russians what to or not do, I would feel differently but at this point the US is getting hard to tell from Soviet Russia.

Things like Iraq, NDAA, Prism, Extraordinary rendition, Drone strikes, Patriot act...

The fact I can't type this with out fear of some NSA government employee thinking Im some kind of "threat" makes it hard to see the difference here.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:40 PM
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Aren't we sick of this crap, international politics, and US foreign policy has been a disaster post 911.

Things like Iraq, NDAA, Prism, Extraordinary rendition, Drone strikes, Patriot act...

The fact I can't type this with out fear of some NSA government employee thinking Im some kind of "threat" makes it hard to see the difference here.


Amen to that.

Since it's a given that the NSA is scooping up everything maybe they could pass along a message to our leaders to hurry up the Mars Space colony program. When finished I'd suggest all the western politicians be sent there and they can take their counterparts from the east with them.

At that point they can beat on each other and leave the saner members of the human race alone. Maybe we could then actually get something done.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 09:57 PM
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theabsolutetruth
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Crimea was previously part of Russia and was 'given' to Ukraine as an appeasement,


It was transferred by the Government of the USSR - which was the undoubted legal ruling entity of the time, in complete accordance with the rules of the USSR as they existed in 1954 - it was made part of the Ukrainian SSR to mark 300 years of the Ukraine being part of "Russia" - and because Ukraine is the only part of the former USSR/Russian empire that it actually connects by land to.



albeit an erstwhile gesture as it was and is disputed as an illegal move in the first place.


lol - no - it was not illegal - it was a decree of the Presidium of the USSR

I cannot believe how all you Russian fanboys lap up the propaganda from the dictatorship in Moscow - you complain about the weste3rn MSM being corrupt, etc, but when confronted by a state owned propaganda machine, which has been steadily suppressing any sign of any independence in the media for years, you suddenly think it is the truth??
Crimea was formerly an independent state, conquered by the Russian empire, whith a population of non-Russians, and was therefore a colony.


As such Crimea has more than twice legally attempted independence, which Ukraine trashed.


When??




The people there are ethnically Russian and they want freedom from Ukraine and have done for a long time, they feel Russian, they speak Russian, they have alliances to Russia, they want to rejoin Russia.


On 26 February 1992, the Verkhovniy Sovet (the Crimean parliament) renamed the ASSR the Republic of Crimea and proclaimed self-government on 5 May 1992 (which was yet to be approved by a referendum held 2 August 1992[) and passed the first Crimean constitution the same day.

On 6 May 1992 the same parliament inserted a new sentence into this constitution that declared that Crimea was part of Ukraine.

Crimea voted itself to become part of an independent Ukraine!!


Despite international politics etc, this has always been the case, since it was given to Ukraine then annexed after the USSR. Fact.


Fiction.


Congrats to you on being duped by the US war machine (there's only one way, one democracy, one freedom and that's OUR way, OUR freedom, OUR democracy and the rest of the world can take a hike).


A "referendum" while under military occupation is not democracy - and if you think it is then I have no problem laughing at your naivety.

The idea that this exercise in deception, aggression and force has anything to do with democracy and independence for Crimea is a pathetic lie.
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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 10:10 PM
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I am neither Russian nor a boy so keep your personal attacks to yourself. My opinions are my own and are perfectly legitimate.

The facts are that Khrushchev, who was half Ukrainian gave Crimea to Ukraine, which was and is disputed by Crimeans, after the USSR, Crimeans were even more angry that they had then by default became annexed from Russia, which they never wanted in the first place.

Your opinion and US politics opinion is irrelevant. The facts are backed by the stats, the ethnic Russians in Crimea and Ukraine are pro Russian and the population of Crimea has voted with majority that it chooses being part of Russia again.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 10:19 PM
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On 6 May 1992 the same parliament inserted a new sentence into this constitution that declared that Crimea was part of Ukraine.

Crimea voted itself to become part of an independent Ukraine!!


Well they just had a new vote and changed their mind. Being Crimea is a majority Russian it comes as no surprise and I cannot fault them for not wishing to be aligned with the EU or suffer through IMF austerity, for their own good of course.



A "referendum" while under military occupation is not democracy - and if you think it is then I have no problem laughing at your naivety.


It's already been posted in this thread that independent EU observers have stated there has been no coercion or threats during the election. Let Crimea go where and with who they wish, which is obviously not with Ukraine or their new globalist installed government.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 10:22 PM
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CJCrawley
If the majority of the Crimean population is Russian, it's hardly very surprising that, when asked, they would vote to be part of Russia. Duh.

By that logic, large areas of the UK should belong to India and Pakistan.

It's a cynical manipulation of truth by the gangsters currently governing the second most powerful country on the planet.

Let Russia trade with its mate, China; but the rest of the world should ignore and boycott these maverick states until they choose mature, responsible leaders to run their affairs.

The west could assist this process by not invading/bombing sovereign states without a UNSC mandate.


When you are the most powerful country then you can invade 1-2 country each single year "around the globe" and force your agenda...........all the while committing most gruesome type of violence and destruction.

When you are the second most powerful country, then you can allow a country in your "near abroad" and peacefully ask the populations their choices and priorities.

When you are not at all a powerful country and that too without nukes...............the you merely suck up and hope for the best !!



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 10:33 PM
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theabsolutetruth
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The people there are ethnically Russian and they want freedom from Ukraine and have done for a long time, they feel Russian, they speak Russian, they have alliances to Russia, they want to rejoin Russia.

Which is none of the rest of the world's business.



Infact major portion of Crimea's revenues is from tourism and 70% of tourists came from Ukraine. Now being a part of Russia which have per capita income more than 3x of Ukraine, Crimea can benefit immensely in the economic sense. Ukraine is broke, not Russia.

Think of possibility where Russia makes a very nice Disneyland type park in Crimea and invests $500M each into similar 5 themes where you can spend the whole day on each spot.............then Crimea can and will become a very popular European destination for a full Week of vacation and fun.......next to the black sea. To that add some duty free shopping type mechanism and lots of Chinese and Asians would arrive with their calculators on savings pocketed etc.

Crimea has 10x more to gain by being with Russia as it has been the part of Russia for centuries on.


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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 10:33 PM
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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 10:53 PM
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I'm no cheerleader for western foreign policy.

Much of what the US/UK/EU get up to I find bizarre and often disagree with.

Just to be clear: Russia casually rolled their tanks and troops across the border and declared an area of another sovereign country to belong to them.

They didn't go to the UN first or anything, it was a unilateral decision.

They certainly were not invited by Ukraine.

That is illegal and wrong on any sensible view.

Russia's sole appeal to legitimacy is that the majority of the population in that part of Ukraine is pro-Russian.

Well, so what?

Does Pakistan own parts of UK because there are a majority of Pakistanis in those areas?

It's a bollocks argument with no validity - not that Adolf Putin is going to lose a second's sleep about it.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:00 PM
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If Texas was holding a referendum to secede from the union back to Mexico.... would Russia have any right to interfere?

Amazing how many people on this thread feel that they know whats better for the people living in Crimea then the actual citizens themselves.

The Ukrainian government was overthrown in a violent coup, not an election. And unlike the rest of the country the people of Crimea actually went through the proper channels and have voted to secede to Russia. This isn't the first time Crimea has tried to separate from Ukraine. You wanted democracy, you got it.
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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:11 PM
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Amazing how many people on this thread feel that they know whats better for the people living in Crimea then the actual citizens themselves.


Crimea's not a country, sport.

They can't just decide to split from the country they're a part of and join another one.

How does that work?



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:17 PM
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Konduit
If Texas was holding a referendum to secede from the union back to Mexico.... would Russia have any right to interfere?

Amazing how many people on this thread feel that they know whats better for the people living in Crimea then the actual citizens themselves. You socialists better not dare to try to come to my country and tell me who I can and can't vote for.

The Ukrainian government was overthrown in a violent coup, and the people of Crimea have voted to secede to Russia. This isn't the first time Crimea has tried to separate from Ukraine. You wanted democracy, you got it.
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The problem is, we actually signed a treaty with the Ukraine, promising to get their back in such a situation. So if we do nothing, it weakens our position, and makes countries less likely to trust us in the future. So we are kind of in a difficult situation.

Otherwise, I'd agree 100%, and say you have a point. Crimea is Russian, if they want to go to Russia, it's their choice. The problem being that technically, Crimea is part of the Ukraine.



posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:18 PM
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It's called a Referendum, sport. Wiki

This is not the first time Crimea has done this. They also held a referendum in the 1990's which created their own constitution separate from the rest of Ukraine. This has been a long time coming my friend.

In my opinion we should clean up our own backyard before we start rummaging through Russia's again.
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posted on Mar, 16 2014 @ 11:23 PM
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Crimea has been historically a part of Russia for centuries.

It's status has always been in question since 1991. It was USSR that gave Crimea to Uks. When USSR dissolved suddenly then many issues were left unsolved.

It's not that Russia just walked in and stayed.

Shout, scream and even cry loudly...........Crimea is staying with Russia.

Better to move on!




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