Beijing-bound MAS plane carrying 239 people missing as of 20 mins ago.

reply to post by Zaphod58



Pilot suicide with the current suspected location of the plane is only viable under one circumstance,,, that there was a large life insurance policy involved and the person did not want any evidence found that would point to suicide. It has to be unexplainable for the insurance policy to pay off.

Does anyone recall how long ago we posted about the bodies washing up on the shore of a small island and there was a picture of wild dogs with one of the supposed bodies? I know I posted it, but cant seem to find it now. Anyone still have that link or at least recall it?

I have just done some interesting reading on a site called Cabal Times,
Just to briefly go over what i have read on there -

On Diego Garcia they speak about a sudden 3 day holiday for staff from the 8/3/12 speculating that it would leave the base quiet, also I read about an exersise taht took place on the east coast us involving an air liner being escorted by som mil jets...

onehuman
Does anyone recall how long ago we posted about the bodies washing up on the shore of a small island and there was a picture of wild dogs with one of the supposed bodies? I know I posted it, but cant seem to find it now. Anyone still have that link or at least recall it?

I don't recall that in this thread, if you find that I'd like to read about it. Re-post it if you find it.

Zaphod58
reply to post by Daughter2

 

The military doesn't have some magic radar that can see over the horizon (except the very few OTH-B antennas).

It seems like there's enough of the OTH-B antennas to cover most of the Indian Ocean.

"The JORN network is operated by No. 1 Radar Surveillance Unit RAAF (1RSU). Data from the JORN sites is fed to the JORN Coordination Centre at RAAF Base Edinburgh where it is passed on to other agencies and military units. Officially the system allows the Australian Defence Force to observe all air and sea activity north of Australia to distances of 3000 km. This encompasses all of Java, Irian Jaya, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, andSingapore. Other sources put the range at 4000 km from the Australian coastline,[23] as far away as Singapore.[24]

The JORN is so sensitive it is able to track planes as small as a Cessna 172 taking off and landing in East Timor 2600 km away. Current research is anticipated to increase its sensitivity by a factor of ten beyond this level. It is also reportedly able to detect stealth aircraft, as typically these are designed only to avoid detection by microwave radar.[6] Project DUNDEE[25] was a cooperative research project, with American missile defence research, into using JORN to detect missiles.[26] The JORN is anticipated to play a role in future Missile Defense Agency initiatives, detecting and tracking missile launches in Asia.[27]"
"

en.wikipedia.org...

The Cabal site says - an exersise was conducted 4 days after 370 went missing, and was conducted along the south eastern part of the states, people were told not to be allarmed if they saw military jets escorting an airliner....

Check out a Rap song called "Get it Started" by Pitbull relesed in 2012, the lyrics talk about malaysia and two passports etc, very strange...

reply to post by onehuman


I remember someone posted about one body washing up wearing a life jacket but I believe that it was reported that the person was from a marine accident, I don't recall wild dogs in the report though, be interesting to investigate the so called marine accident though I can't find the original post :-(

Civ

How about this for a theory - MH370 has been stolen and flown to Diego Garcia, there it will be altered somewhat and carry something possibly "dirty" it will fly to the US poss Manhatten(re Obamas concern) this will tye in with the false flag blowing up of a US carrier(the one supposed to be an Iranian mock up but prob not) this will be blamed on Iran(Iranian pass on board 370 etc) and the smelly stuff will hit the ceiling cooler.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth

theabsolutetruth
There is a lot of arguing about opposing conspiracy theories on this thread though the details from the professional, qualified Air Investigators AAIB have more details, experience and qualifications for the purpose than any armchair investigators, their theory looks the most plausible, and is the result of data analysis as well as EXPERIENCE of air investigations, utilising technology for thorough results then having the theory PEER REVIEWED before release.

I believe at this point in history that qualified Investigators are going to have pretty much zero credibility after what we have seen during "investigations" for Flight 800, 911, etc, etc.

I don't know about you personally but after studying the Flight 800 cover-up, I'll take any ones word on a public forum such as ATS over what the "authorities" are saying any day of the week.

Nearly 17 years after a TWA jet exploded in the sky off the Long Island coast just eleven minutes after taking off from John F. Kennedy Airport, investigators who worked on the initial probe are going public, saying the true cause of the July 1996 disaster was covered up. In an upcoming documentary, they conclude some form of missile hit the plane — and refute what was said publicly, after a four year investigation: that an explosion in the overheated “central fuel tank” caused the plane to blow up.

The NTSB investigators said they were pushed aside by the Federal Bureau of Investigation from day one, ordered not to photograph the wreckage and not to go into one, specific room that was only used by the FBI.

TWA Flight 800 crash: Retired NTSB investigators say FBI ordered cover up

Daughter2

Zaphod58
reply to post by Daughter2

 

The military doesn't have some magic radar that can see over the horizon (except the very few OTH-B antennas).

It seems like there's enough of the OTH-B antennas to cover most of the Indian Ocean.

"The JORN network is operated by No. 1 Radar Surveillance Unit RAAF (1RSU). Data from the JORN sites is fed to the JORN Coordination Centre at RAAF Base Edinburgh where it is passed on to other agencies and military units. Officially the system allows the Australian Defence Force to observe all air and sea activity north of Australia to distances of 3000 km. This encompasses all of Java, Irian Jaya, Papua New Guinea and the Solomon Islands, andSingapore. Other sources put the range at 4000 km from the Australian coastline,[23] as far away as Singapore.[24]

The JORN is so sensitive it is able to track planes as small as a Cessna 172 taking off and landing in East Timor 2600 km away. Current research is anticipated to increase its sensitivity by a factor of ten beyond this level. It is also reportedly able to detect stealth aircraft, as typically these are designed only to avoid detection by microwave radar.[6] Project DUNDEE[25] was a cooperative research project, with American missile defence research, into using JORN to detect missiles.[26] The JORN is anticipated to play a role in future Missile Defense Agency initiatives, detecting and tracking missile launches in Asia.[27]"
"

en.wikipedia.org...

I mentioned several pages back that MH370 was likely tracked by OTHR radar coverage from Australia.

UKGuy1805
Check out a Rap song called "Get it Started" by Pitbull relesed in 2012, the lyrics talk about malaysia and two passports etc, very strange...

The only 'rap' song I would ever take the lyrics seriously is Rappin' Ronnie Reagan rapping he's the 'baddest' this side of DC.

w-w-w-w-well, well

reply to post by civpop

Yeah I remember that as well, but it is two different incidents. If I recall they were a couple days apart too. I know the one about the bodies washing ashore and the dogs eating the remains was brushed off pretty quickly. but I know the page I liked too showed a picture of "perhaps" a body with dogs around it on a beach. I also recall another member here trying to find the exact location of the beach from the article.

Going into my profile, my post only go back to the 16th so it was before that. Im going to see if I can find it in my history now

UKGuy1805
How about this for a theory - MH370 has been stolen and flown to Diego Garcia, there it will be altered somewhat and carry something possibly "dirty" it will fly to the US poss Manhatten(re Obamas concern) this will tye in with the false flag blowing up of a US carrier(the one supposed to be an Iranian mock up but prob not) this will be blamed on Iran(Iranian pass on board 370 etc) and the smelly stuff will hit the ceiling cooler.

I saw Barry say that he was more worried about a nuke going off in Manhattan, than he was about Russia! He said that in response to being questioned if Mitt Romney was right about Russia being a danger to the U.S.

reply to post by Murgatroid


The AAIB guys analysed the sat data from Inmarsat, they aren't the Malaysian investigators. And thanks to Inmarsat and AAIB, there is data at all as obviously the Malaysian guys and FBI had nothing to go on and there wouldn't have been anything known were it not for the Inmarsat and AAIB guys.

The arcs were formulated because of the Inmarsat pings, the arcs were then narrowed down to a 3% area using doppler effect, which is 100% more than came from any of the other supposed investigators. When Inmarsat and AAIB professionally analysed the data, it was then peer reviewed before being released to Malaysia who then checked the data themselves for confirmation before public release.

Instead of blaming the lack of information on conspiracy, perhaps blame the lack of controls in the handover process of ATC areas, blame the lack of security on planes, blame the lack of security measures for ensuring planes stick to flight paths, blame the fact that transponders and ACARS are able to be switched off, blame the lack of immediate action when it went off radar, blame the lack of constant radar coverage, blame the option for buying ACARS instead of a compulsory system, blame the lack of information being released on basic lack of information.

reply to post by sy.gunson


I've must of missed that - this thread is so big good points can get lost.

So it seems like the plane went down about an hour after it was public knowledge it was missing.

With a missing plane, why didn't the radar start scanning for an incoming plane? After all, it was a Western nation (or at least probably perceived as having close ties to the US), a 9/11 attack had to be considered.

reply to post by Mikeultra


That's one possibility. There was some kind of structural damage to the plane.

reply to post by theabsolutetruth


Yeah, you're right. The entire crew most likely wanted to commit suicide.

theabsolutetruth
There is a lot of arguing about opposing conspiracy theories on this thread though the details from the professional, qualified Air Investigators AAIB have more details, experience and qualifications for the purpose than any armchair investigators, their theory looks the most plausible, and is the result of data analysis as well as EXPERIENCE of air investigations, utilising technology for thorough results then having the theory PEER REVIEWED before release.

The AAIB have concluded that fire was EXTREMELY UNLIKELY and also suggested pilot suicide. They know their stuff, they are probably correct.

news.asiaone.com...

MAS plane missing: All the latest reports
The Malaysia Airlines plane was on a suicide mission, reported The Telegraph.

No fire or malfunction could possibly have caused the silent seven-hour flight into the sea of the plane, which was guided away from its planned route, the newspaper reported.

After its communications systems appeared to have been deliberately switched off, the plane's routing and signalling suggested it was flown "in a rational way".

"This has been a deliberate act by someone on board who had to have the detailed knowledge to do what was done... Nothing is emerging that points to motive," The Telegraph was told.

Investigators have apparently simulated how the plane could have got where it was last detected in a remote area of the Indian Ocean, and signs point to it being flown in a deliberate manner.

Asked about the possibility of a plane malfunction or an on-board fire, the source said: "It just does not hinge together... (The investigators) have gone through processes you do to get the plane where it flew to for eight hours. They point to it being flown in a rational way."

They believe someone on the flight shut off the plane's communications systems as it passed from Malaysia to Vietnam air space.

Experts have said that this was the "perfect moment" for a plane to be absent for communications without arousing suspicion.

Partial military radar tracking showed it turning west and re-crossing the Malay Peninsula, apparently under the control of a skilled pilot.

Mr Najib said on Sunday that groundbreaking satellite-data analysis by the British company Inmarsat had revealed that Flight MH370 had crashed in the southern Indian Ocean.

While no confirmed debris from the plane has been found, Inmarsat had used a principle called the Doppler effect to analyse the difference between the frequency that the ground station expects to receive and one that is actually measured.

The British company checked its predictions with six other B777 aircraft flying on the same day in various directions, Acting Transport Minister Hishammuddin Hussein said at a press conference last evening.

He also revealed that what had been reported to be the satellite transmitter's final ping at 8.11am on March 8 was followed by "a partial handshake" between the plane and a ground station at 8.19am.

The next ping, which was supposed to happen at 9.15am, was not detected.

Between those two times, the aircraft was no longer able to communicate with the ground station.

"This is consistent with the maximum endurance of the aircraft," said Mr Hishammuddin.

How reassuring then theabsolutetruth that you are not an air crash investigator because it appears you would likely exclude half the evidence before even examining the wreckage or Black Box data.

Your conclusions are only sustainable by ignoring many key points. The AAIB were deceived throughout the investigation from misleading claims by the Malaysian authorities about Malaysian radar plotting of a target alleged to have climbed to 45,000ft then descended to 5000ft to evade radar, dodging around the Straits of Malacca from one waypoint to another climbing to 29,500ft before disappearing west.

All that is now excluded and disproven as nonsense by the Malaysian authorities in light of INMARSAT data.

Your views about the transponder also ignore the fact that north of waypoint IGARI is a radar blackspot where transponders cannot respond to SSR surveilance because there simply is no radar coverage there.

AAIB have not considered the scenario of a cockpit fire fed by pilot oxygen supply at 35,000ft which would have self extinguished after the oxygen had exhausted itself, unless of course you have concrete proof that they did consider this scenario?

If you have then please provide that proof?