Kiev snipers hired by Maidan leaders - leaked EU's Ashton phone tape

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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:01 AM
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I know there are many threads on Ukraine but I think this, if true, warrants a new one.

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The snipers who shot at protesters and police in Kiev were allegedly hired by Maidan leaders, according to a leaked phone conversation between the EU foreign affairs chief Catherine Ashton and Estonian foreign affairs minister, which has emerged online.


From the recording.



“There is now stronger and stronger understanding that behind the snipers, it was not Yanukovich, but it was somebody from the new coalition,” Paet said during the conversation.


I'm still listening to the rest of the recording.




posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:12 AM
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I've listened to it all now, he states doctors suspect the same snipers and bullets were used to kill both protestors and police, unless I misheard.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:16 AM
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rt as the official russian voice of government is NOT the most-unbiased source for infos around Ukrainia, I would think..

Therefore: High hoax-propability.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:17 AM
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ManFromEurope
rt as the official russian voice of government is NOT the most-unbiased source for infos around Ukrainia, I would think..

Therefore: High hoax-propability.


And you've listened to the tape?



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:17 AM
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Oh goodness... Talk about...awkward....

Was there something about *ALL* electronic communications being intercepted, monitored and reviewed they thought was a joke or wasn't really happening? That people still discuss "the smoking gun" in open telephone conversations blows me away. What in the heck has the lesson been of the last several months and Snowden, if not to be a little careful in what gets said on electronic devices. After all... Someone is always listening Somewhere



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:21 AM
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I saw a video clip on LiveLeak a couple of weeks back shot in Kiev. It allegedly showed a member of the opposition stopped in his car by protestors for a search. In the boot (trunk, for our American friends) was a case that was opened and in it was a sniper rifle, with suppressor. The driver was allowed on his way, without further delay!

Found the clip again:

www.liveleak.com...

Any weapons experts know what the firearm is? Not the sort of thing you'd expect to find in the car of supposed politician!



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:21 AM
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Well.. I keep hearing online that the interim govt and many protestors are neo nazis.

Who knows. Ukraine would probably be better off not aligning with either Russia or the EU.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:23 AM
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ManFromEurope
rt as the official russian voice of government is NOT the most-unbiased source for infos around Ukrainia, I would think..

Therefore: High hoax-propability.


That'll make the first fabrication I'll have ever caught RT handling without it being something media as a whole got taken for a ride on.

Sure..RT spins like a childs toy for Pro-Russian positions. Would we expect different? RT is owned by the Kremlin. Literally, not figuratively, by way of another Russian media organization. Still.. Ownership does not a hoax make and spin doesn't equal fabrication, IMO. I'll give them the benefit of the doubt until proven otherwise. This isn't the first outright dumb phone intercept quite recently..and the last one was valid, as I recall....



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:43 AM
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Still not being picked up by Sky News, it must be true so, they are every bit the same propaganda machine that RT is called, big news if true, the west would be caught funding terrorists yet again.....
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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:44 AM
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Still nothing on MSM, although as Wrabbit suggested, I have never seen RT use false information, sensationalism that's something else though.
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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:54 AM
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sosobad
Still not being picked up by Sky News, it must be true so, they are every bit the same propaganda machine that RT is called, big news if true, the west would be caught funding terrorists yet again.....
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It's just made it onto the Telegraph blog about Ukraine. Nothing yet on Sky or BBC though I wonder what they'd say.

Once again ATS is ahead of the MSM.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 07:58 AM
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Here is the full phone conversation between the two
From YT


Officers of Security Service of Ukraine (SBU) loyal to the ousted President Viktor Yanukovich have hacked phones of Estonian Minister of Foreign Affairs Urmas Paet and High Representative of the European Union for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy Catherine Ashton and leaked their conversation to the web. The officials discuss their impressions of what's happening in the country after the revolution. The gist of it is that Ukrainian people have no trust in any of the leaders of Maidan. However the most striking thing of all is the fact which concerns the use of force during the revolution, particularly the snipers who killed both protesters and officers of the riot police. Mr. Paet reveals astonishing information which confirms the rumours that the snipers were employed by the leaders of Maidan.




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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:02 AM
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putin putin putin
bull....


The ex-Israeli soldier who led a Kiev fighting unit
'Delta' has headed 'the Blue Helmets of Maidan' of 40 men and women - including several IDF veterans - in violent clashes with government forces.

www.haaretz.com...

right from the whorses mouth...in Haaretz no less

if people want accuracy in the media they better get out of the USA


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btw russia by law is allowed troops in the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.



Following a referendum held on January 20, 1991, the Crimean Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic was reestablished on February 12, 1991 by the Supreme Soviet of the Ukrainian SSR.[4] Today, it is the Autonomous Republic of Crimea.

en.wikipedia.org...

anyone who thinks the usa or israel or nato or the neo nazis they have just installed in place of the democratically elected government ( just like the shaw of iran ), are the good guys here is whacked


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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:08 AM
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Thanks for the update. From your source...


As platoon leader, Delta says he takes orders from activists connected to Svoboda, an ultra-nationalist party that has been frequently accused of anti-Semitism and whose members have been said to have had key positions in organizing the opposition protests.

“I don’t belong [to Svoboda], but I take orders from their team. They know I’m Israeli, Jewish and an ex-IDF soldier. They call me ‘brother,’” he said. “What they’re saying about Svoboda is exaggerated, I know this for a fact. I don’t like them because they’re inconsistent, not because of [any] anti-Semitism issue.”
Source

I guess that helps clear some things up. At least in that example of a cobbled together fighting unit. Nothing is simple or easy to make out over there. Nothing, it seems.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:09 AM
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If this is true then the following MUST also be true :
1. Since Aston is only a foreign minister then her "superior" in the EU must also know ie Jose Manuel Barroso
2. Likewise the Estonian side ie the estonian president.
3. And Ed Miliband since Aston is a labour peer
4. And Dave cameron since he is the UK leader of the country Aston represents in the EU
5. The leaders of the protestors in the Ukraine
6. All decision makers and resource organisers linked to all of these people in order to get the snipers and material in place (the logistical side of this.....conspiracists always forget about logistics !!!!)
7. The Ukraine police chiefs must allow the snipers into certain areas to allow the snipers to shoot the police. ....say whaaaattt!!!
8. There would be a falsified taped conversation between Putin/ Yanukovych (or representative) and the snipers (or representative) in order to prove it was the Russians/ Yanukovych.

Given the release of this tape surely the alternate tape from 8 must appear. The only logical conclusion if such an alternate conversation does not manifest itself is that that RT tape is a forgery. The forgery will condemn itself once analysed.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:11 AM
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The only thing I can think of is the alleged words from yesterday via Interfax.



And Interfax adds:

RUSSIA WILL HAVE TO RESPOND TO POSSIBLE U.S. SANCTIONS, "AND NOT NECESSARILY SYMMETRICALLY" - RUSSIAN FOREIGN MINISTRY


Certainly not symmetrically.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:16 AM
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if there are idf there
it is no accident..
just like the sectarian violence they are creating in iraq

paying agent provocateurs is standard practice
thats where the several billion dollars the us spent

brothers...phhhhhfffft
this is just an oligarch's welcome to palistein



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:29 AM
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“I saw unarmed civilians with no military background being ground by a well-oiled military machine, and it made my blood boil,” Delta told JTA in Hebrew laced with military jargon. “I joined them then and there, and I started fighting back the way I learned how, through urban warfare maneuvers. People followed, and I found myself heading a platoon of young men. Kids, really.”

The other ex-IDF infantrymen joined the Blue Helmets later after hearing it was led by a fellow vet, Delta said.

As platoon leader, Delta says he takes orders from activists connected to Svoboda, an ultra-nationalist party that has been frequently accused of anti-Semitism and whose members have been said to have had key positions in organizing the opposition protests.

from my link above
ahhh a zionazi
Just like rabbi Antlebaum, i always said the zionists and the nazis and now neo nazis,were always in bed together

the us spent what 5 billion organizing those protests....
funny they aren't called occupy , i wonder where was MR IDF then?


Ukraine’s statement at the UN that ‘16,000 Russian soldiers had been deployed’ across Crimea sparked a MSM feeding frenzy that steadfastly ignored any hard facts that got in their way.

Especially unwelcome is the fact that the so-called ‘invasion force’ has been there for 15 years already.

The media many trust described in hysterical tones how the Autonomous Republic of Crimea was under a full-scale Russian invasion with headlines like: “Ukraine says Russia sent 16,000 troops to Crimea”, “Ukraine crisis deepens as Russia sends more troops into Crimea,” as well as “What can Obama do about Russia's invasion of Crimea?”.

Facts, and ardent statements by top Russian diplomats were totally ignored by the western ‘war press’.

Russian UN Ambassador Vitaly Churkin pointed to the longstanding 25,000 troop allowance while FM Sergey Lavrov stressed the Russian military “strictly executes the agreements which stipulate the Russian fleet’s presence in Ukraine, and follows the stance and claims coming from the legitimate authority in Ukraine and in this case the legitimate authority of the Autonomous Republic Crimea as well.”

rt.com...
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posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:30 AM
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yorkshirelad
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If this is true then the following MUST also be true :
1. Since Aston is only a foreign minister then her "superior" in the EU must also know ie Jose Manuel Barroso
2. Likewise the Estonian side ie the estonian president.
3. And Ed Miliband since Aston is a labour peer
4. And Dave cameron since he is the UK leader of the country Aston represents in the EU
5. The leaders of the protestors in the Ukraine
6. All decision makers and resource organisers linked to all of these people in order to get the snipers and material in place (the logistical side of this.....conspiracists always forget about logistics !!!!)
7. The Ukraine police chiefs must allow the snipers into certain areas to allow the snipers to shoot the police. ....say whaaaattt!!!
8. There would be a falsified taped conversation between Putin/ Yanukovych (or representative) and the snipers (or representative) in order to prove it was the Russians/ Yanukovych.

Given the release of this tape surely the alternate tape from 8 must appear. The only logical conclusion if such an alternate conversation does not manifest itself is that that RT tape is a forgery. The forgery will condemn itself once analysed.


Since none of points 1-8 'must' be true, your conclusion is flawed.



posted on Mar, 5 2014 @ 08:35 AM
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Danbones
reply to post by Wrabbit2000
 


if there are idf there
it is no accident..
just like the sectarian violence they are creating in iraq

paying agent provocateurs is standard practice
thats where the several billion dollars the us spent



I missed where it said anything remotely like Israeli Defense Forces are present in Ukraine or anywhere in Europe for that matter.

Every single citizen of the Israeli nation MUST serve and are *ALL* veterans of IDF service (well.. almost all...but that's another thread). So..basically, if you see an Israeli anywhere in the world over the age of majority? Odds are very strong they are also military veterans of the Israeli Defense Force. One doesn't live there and not serve, outside a few very specific exceptions.

Hence...This "Delta" character here says he's Jewish but his 30+ team members aren't. He's a veteran, not a serving soldier and just kinda saw a need and went to work. Mercenary would be another term I'd use....although, perhaps Soldier of Fortune fits better here, if he was fighting for conscience as he says..and not for a paycheck to the highest bidder.

What I don't see any connection to, aside from previous affiliation for training in life, is the Israeli Military/IDF?
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