The inevitable Rise Of Global Communism

The reality is that human beings are eternally flawed with greed, that propels into an infinitely looping cycle. Since the beginning of civilization, even since we were in small tribes, we have been on an inescapable a infinite looping cycle from capitalism, to communism and back again, even if we didn't call the systems in place communism or capitalism. Communism would be perfect except that it isn't, because there will always be those who want to have just a little more than his brother or sister beside him.

From hunter gatherers of the tribe who get sick of the tribes chief hoarding their food and women and leave them with nothing. From god-kings, to uprising slaves who grew sick of it all. From Greek conquerors to their direct democracies of Athens. From Caesar's to Senate. From feudal monarchies to parliament. From Czars to Bolsheviks. From Wall Street, to those who would occupy it.

We will storm the castle and "take what is ours" until that system fails and the free market takes over again and the profit motive returns, only to one day fall again once lack of regulation takes it's toll, and the 99% have finally had enough, and then we storm the castle again.

Indeed, what part of this cycle do you think we are headed towards right now in America? I will give you a hint:

"Democracy only lasts until the poor realize they can vote themselves more wealth."

I think the democratic party in America is leading this charge to educate the masses of their true power. That THEY have the real power, if we only stop letting those with money control our vote, by letting one side of the spectrum convince us that the other side are sinful heathens out to take our bibles and guns.

Maybe one day some genius finds a system in between that works, and we truly have a perfect society. But I digress, that even then, someone, will want more than the next guy.

Anonex


I think the democratic party in America is leading this charge to educate the masses of their true power. That THEY have the real power, if we only stop letting those with money control our vote....

Have you been asleep? The democrats are in power. The only money that's been controlling the vote is the money the Robin Hood Party uses to pay for votes.

Nice essay.

Let me just add, before the usual crowd chimes in, that people will say that's not actually "communism" that is "_______ism" and they will attempt to bog down this thread in a multitude of definitions and a mish-mash of words.

I agree, that we are in a never-ending cycle perpetuated by emotion-driven short-sightedness.

Our system won't change until people change. And people don't want to change.

They just find new ways to justify their own base needs.

beezzer
Nice essay.

Let me just add, before the usual crowd chimes in, that people will say that's not actually "communism" that is "_______ism" and they will attempt to bog down this thread in a multitude of definitions and a mish-mash of words.

I agree, that we are in a never-ending cycle perpetuated by emotion-driven short-sightedness.

Our system won't change until people change. And people don't want to change.

They just find new ways to justify their own base needs.

Wow, never thought id say this, but man you get it, change is a very scary thing to most, for me its a daily fight.

reply to post by dukeofjive696969


In all seriousness, do you actually believe the democratic party is leading for change, no pun intended, and is trying to educate people of their true power?

reply to post by Anonex


Stalinism is not communism, the totalitarian state is not communist, communism can only ever be expressed at the small scale, a kibbutze is a communist ideal, a true church with shared wealth and common resourses as christ's apostles set up in the first century was a communists state or rather what communism claimed as it's own, large scale communism does not work in the long run unless people recognize shared goals, the state of the soviet union especially after Lennin's death was most certainly not communist, it was totalitarianism as is China (do not be fooled by there economic greed it is a totalitarianist state).
A communists state can only work by consent of it's population, when that consent is lacking it fails, it is not a state as the soviet and chinese became of a prisoner population but a state of cooperation and the weak being cared for by the strong, it at it's heart is actually a christian ideology recycled and perverted by atheist non christians.

The man whom stored up his wealth for his old age.
The couple whom never gave all to the church but lied to the holy spirit and saved part of there good's for there old age and whom dropped dead.
If you have two coat's and your brother has none give the one you are not using to him.
Christianity was not supposed to be about charity of the wealthy to the poor but if you joined the church you were meant to be looked after by the church (and to look after the church as your family) as you are then one family in the body of christ and all you own was to be given to the church.

The free market is a good thing so long as it is ran with moral guidence but as what you see is a totalitarianism that is being imposed and failing to be imposed globally with dire consequences, the organised traditional western christians (whom lets be fair were never very christian) have been deliberately called to atheism not as part of a grand awakening but to disolve and break apart potential organised resistance to the attempt to impose totalitarian elitism over the masses and one other tactic but one which has severely backfired and may spell the ultimate end of both caucasoid western ethnicity and western culture has been the imposed opening of western country's to "primarily" islamic migrants in massive numbers, this will not help there attempt and indeed will set there plans back hundreds of years meaning they will have to restructure and move under the new umbrella culture they have propegated.

I reiterate, communism is not stalinism or maosim but is a failed but well intentioned attempt at creating a fair and just cooperative society (which with hindsight was always doomed to fail through the limitations of human nature and power greed) and what you are now seeing is a move to a totalitarianist elitism based on class centric non meritocratic closed shop politics and control, so are we ready for our chains or are we going to head for the hill's and fight the enemys we now have on all sides and thanks to there engineered fragmentation of our societys also amongst ourselve's.

I am afraid there is very little we can do about it but never underestimate human nature but then again how long have the people of china been oppressed and how long were the russians.

Logarock
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In all seriousness, do you actually believe the democratic party is leading for change, no pun intended, and is trying to educate people of their true power?

Im sorry i though i was replying to beez saying that people where afraid of change, not sure where i said any of the above.

Anonex
I think the democratic party in America is leading this charge to educate the masses of their true power. That THEY have the real power, if we only stop letting those with money control our vote...

Thats absolutely incorrect.

The Left or Democrats want you to relinquish your power to them, the central government.

They want to control every aspect of your life from which doctor you can see to which toilets you can use and its never in your best interest.

Libertarians are the only ones who believe in individual liberties or true civil rights.


Why would you blame money? Blame the people who accept or are influenced by money. Given, its most of them but we share in the blame for not electing people with morals.

So far, we've seen one man who was truly incorruptible, immune to pressure, influence, lobbyists or bribes.

Anonex
...only to one day fall again once lack of regulation takes it's toll...

Lack of regulations, where? There are so many regulations that they are impossible to keep track of.

Anonex
...someone, will want more than the next guy.

Agreed. The homeless guy is resentful of the guy with the apartment. The guy with the apartment is resentful of the guy with the house...

reply to post by LABTECH767

communism can only ever be expressed at the small scale

I disagree, it can exist as a world system if not encumbered with economic competition against other less social oriented system. The problem is that other systems than do not have social welfare as the main goal can subvert and undermine any system that spends a larger portion of resources in general social improvement (including ecologic considerations and future planing for next generations).

I'm a anarcho-communist (decentralized communism if you will) that is what you get with very small communes, the larger structure is formed by the aggregation and coordination of each individual commune, this benefits diversity and permits faster adaptability to regional requirements, but at the same time enables participation in global projects. The problem of a centralized communist state (as any centralized system is) is that it is easier to corrupt.

PS: Lenin was a German agent/agitator.

Communist ideal cant exist until all the greedy bastards in the world that want more than their mouthful are dead.

Tho, i have no doubt human will revert back to socialist/communist society, they are such creatures.

In the and there is very little difference between capitalism, socialism, communism. The top 1% still run the show. The top 1% sit in their mansions while the rest of the people wait in line for bread. The bottom is kept In line by yelling patriotism. The biggest difference between them all is that capitalists can rise to the top one percent. Not easily but it can happen. You are pretty much stuck at the bottom of the other systems.

Anonex
Since the beginning of civilization, even since we were in small tribes, we have been on an inescapable a infinite looping cycle from capitalism, to communism and back again, even if we didn't call the systems in place communism or capitalism.

Maybe there is no real cycle.

Maybe the system in place is the same and only the name changes.

I'm afraid this perpetual trap can not be escaped. The money collectors care not about the system we use...it's all the same to them, because no matter the system...one thing is a constant...human greed. For this reason, we will always be in an endless loop. It's like a "fail safe" that is built in...by someone.

Imagine people not worrying about basic survival means...those that have depend on you being greedy and not having money. If it weren't so...they wouldn't be....


good thread. Truthful.

Pure communism is actually good but there is no such critter in the world today that I know of. Maybe a few communities achieve it or islands isolated from our societies but in most part it never works right. It is a pipe dream that is only possible in the animal world that is not human. Even in the animal world there is greed and a power structure most times though. The difference is that the leader or alpha animal usually fights personally for the community to protect it most times.

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You have purity much explained human nature to a tee.

Resembles the movie Ground Hog Day.

So what do humans do when they realize there is no hope of ever being different, are we as a species really genetically predisposed to being like this ...forever ?

reply to post by Anonex


"Democracy only lasts until the poor realize they can vote themselves more wealth."

Communism arises when the poor realize that the rich have "voted" themselves all the wealth

reply to post by gladtobehere


That chart doesn't work in America. Conservative in America means to conserve what the framers intended America to be. We had many discussion about this.

If the country is founded on tyranny or monarch than conservative means to conserve the tyranny or the monarch.

The most accurate chart for America is basically the further left u go the bigger the government the further right u go the smaller the government. Fascist doesn't exist in the smaller government chart for America they are big government systems.

Thanks everyone for the replies, especially from those who disagree with me. Difference in opinion is important to progress. I can admit that perhaps the use of the words capitalism and communism were very generalizing, and I may have been better off simply pointing out that this is more of a never ending cycle of the haves, being overthrown by the have-nots, only to develop back in to a system of haves and have-nots all over again.

I just think if the 1% were smart, they would not be so bold these days. It's bad enough that there even is the 1%, but the way they just flaunt their wealth and power, it's disgusting. Reminds me of when the barbarian hordes got sick of living side by side with the wealthy Romans until they finally had enough. They are just tempting fate at this point.

reply to post by rickymouse


It exist in any well balanced family structure if you strip it of any legal (social and state) imposed obligatory power structure or obligations. A family ideally works dynamic as a small commune (it as in a blown up system depends on the education and structure and a sense of fairness and collaboration). A family that forms around a authoritative patriarch or matriarch is unbalanced and the results mimic what we also see in larger authoritarian system.

reply to post by Panic2k11


But many in the education system push individuality of the students, not families as the center of the child's life. Not all teachers and administrators of schools are like this but there are many that are. To these people the School is the center of the child's life. I suppose these educators see their job as the center of their own lives so they think their work is very important.