Tepco Quietly Admits Reactor 3 Could Be Melting Down Now

grey580
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Is there an "official" news source other than some blog?
I'd like to see this being reported officially

Unfortunately, no. The mainstream is completely ignoring this so they can talk about Duck Dynasty.

Mamatus
The Japanese would stand in the fire and deny it's existence. It is called Bushido, basically they would do anything to save face, including destroy the world. You can bet your little tushy they care less about radiating the USA.

Sadly they part they are denying is that 89 tons burning out of control is (as I said when this kicked off) a ELE event. This is not a joke or doom porn. I hate doom porn and have laughed in the face of it since joining ATS.

However My uncle wrote the ballot argument that shut down the Rancho Seco nuke plant in Northern California when I was 11 years old. I am now 48 and like to think that I know a fair bit about the effects of radiation.

If this situation at Fuku goes fully critical (I suspect it will) I and my small little family are heading for South America. I will sell my belongings remotely as I know a ton of stupid postriches that will ignore their reality and be happy to help me out.

NO they wouldn't... that's a myth in this day and age.. Social media has opened it up for all Japanese to be online and reporting and again, it has to be stated for the record the ONLY mention of this is from Hal Turner's Radio Blog and nowhere else. I have family over there, and they have heard nothing other than "there's some steam" not that it's about to melt down or melting down or oh crap let's bolt the country, and they were kept pretty informed over there (maybe not here) in the months after the incident. This is more doom porn that just keeps the fearmongering going and keeps people from being able to work together to solve these issues, what did you say in an earlier post? (or was it another user honestly I stopped looking at usernames) "Why hasn't the world declared war on Japan... " Way to cause more hatred towards another group of people, most of whom have NOTHING to do with the incident other than live there..

Step back and think a little more sensibly rather than buying into every bit of doom and gloom that paases your desk..

Stupid question: While I've got you guys here, can someone tell me how the he77 to get an avatar set up on this site? Been here like three years and cannot make it happen, lol...

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If it got that bad they would of course end up in North America

I don't understand how there are people who downplay this situation as a "it's not really that serious" type scenario... We have a nuclear plant that is nearing critical levels and is dumping toxic waste into the ocean, while contaminating the air at the same time. Ocean is being destroyed, the radiation is slowly creeping its way to the West coast of the US, but so many seem to think that this is all "doom" porn and nothing else... I really would like to hear the reasoning from some of you to why this situation isn't as horrible as many of us believe? Why do you downplay the situation?

Fyi- just because you have family over there doesn't mean they are "in the know" with everything that's going on there, just like how the US Govt. hides LOADS of stuff from us citizens here too...

justreleased
"The only thing TEPCO has actually confirmed "......Right we should trust TEPCO because?!?

No, I do not suggest you trust anyone, but you seem perfectly happy trusting a blogger's speculative reasoning.

You should seek facts and make your own determination.

So far the only facts in this story are as follows:

• Steam was seen emanating from the reactor 3 building on Dec 19, 24, 25 and 27
  
• TEPCO confirmed the steam but offered no explanation other than to say there was no change at the site.
  
• High levels of radiation have precluded entry into the building ever since the tsunami in 2011
  

I don't see how you can make the logical leap from seeing steam to the meltdown of epic proportions. I am not saying it couldn't happen, just that there is not enough evidence provided by the article linked to prove an eminent meltdown and definitely nothing showing TEPCO announced that a disaster is forthcoming.

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You declare war on those in charge and not the citizens of Japan (they seem to be clueless to what's going on), and you do so because they are single-handily killing this planet and not allowing other Govt's to intervene to help... That's why... I choose everyone else of the world over Japan, sorry if that makes me bad...

Mamatus


This headline needs to stay at the top of the pile. If Fuku goes "off" we are all gonna die horrible deaths, eventually. Radiation poisoning is not a fun way to go.

I always did think I had WAY too many teeth. This is a boon!

jhn7537
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You declare war on those in charge and not the citizens of Japan (they seem to be clueless to what's going on), and you do so because they are single-handily killing this planet and not allowing other Govt's to intervene to help... That's why... I choose everyone else of the world over Japan, sorry if that makes me bad...

edit on 3-1-2014 by jhn7537 because: (no reason given)

They are not allowing anyone to intervene, well that there is a steaming pile of dung, they have allowed the IAEA to go in they have allowed experts from the US in, US Military personnel, the only "international government" they haven't allowed in is Arnie Gunderson..

The article makes leaps in logic and judgement to push doom, nothing more nothing less, yes there is a situation there, not one person is debating that fact, yes it COULD at some point become a criticality incident, would it wipe out the world? Probably not.. The levels of radiation released from Fuki so far over the past Two years (and at the height of the incident) are maybe, MAYBE 1/150th that of Chernobyl, and we didn't die form that one.

Now..... think about it for a second. The Country of Japan had nothing to gain by keeping quiet a disaster of the magnitude you are describing, they would need assistance for evacuation (the fact that they evacuated the area around the plant in short order shows they are willing to do that) among other things, TEPECO, while incompetent to the nines, also no longer has any real reason to not say anything, if it's as bas as you guys claim and we're all going to die, they will die first and not care, the fact that they are still studying ways to deal with this, shows they have not given up and are still convinced that it could be contained.

Noone is thinking with logic, just rage and blinders..

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I think rage is a fair feeling to have when Japan is destroying the planet and has done very little to fix it... Maybe putting a nuclear power plant on the coast of your country, when you're prone to large EQ's and Tsunami's probably wasn't the wisest decision they've made either...

jhn7537
I don't understand how there are people who downplay this situation as a "it's not really that serious" type scenario... We have a nuclear plant that is nearing critical levels and is dumping toxic waste into the ocean, while contaminating the air at the same time. Ocean is being destroyed, the radiation is slowly creeping its way to the West coast of the US, but so many seem to think that this is all "doom" porn and nothing else... I really would like to hear the reasoning from some of you to why this situation isn't as horrible as many of us believe? Why do you downplay the situation?

Fyi- just because you have family over there doesn't mean they are "in the know" with everything that's going on there, just like how the US Govt. hides LOADS of stuff from us citizens here too...

Well I just searched for, found and read this article right this very second. Give it a try -
True Facts about ocean radiation and fukush...

The author of the article is Kim Martini

Kim is a Physical Oceanographer at the Joint Institute for the Study of Atmosphere and Ocean at the University of Washington. She received her Ph.D. from the University of Washington in 2010.

jaffo
I can hear what you're saying and I would love to agree. But I do feel the article goes a bit further than that. They seem to be of the opinion that “pellets of radioactive fuel, ejected when the reactor exploded, went into the spent fuel pool located above the reactor and have begun melting down so seriously they are boiling off the water in the spent fuel pool.”Should this be the case “the situation could escalate rapidly out of control.”

That seems pretty serious to me, like it's a completely uncontrolled reaction which they have no ability at all to view or guage. I suppose technically you are correct, but it also seems as there is an undercurrent in this, through various quotes, that says "Yeah this is the pellets and yeah, this is quite possibly getting ready to go south quickly." I hope you're view is right. I would rather be wrong about this than watch the World burn, honestly.

Here is the problem, this is all based off the reporting of a lone blogger. Here is a quote from the TRN article, which the article you linked is based on.

Nuclear energy experts have told TRN that the ONLY way this could be happening is if radioactive material previously ejected from the reactor explosion in March, 2011 has mixed together with other materials and has begun its own self-sustaining reaction(s), also known as a "criticality." Put simply, another "meltdown" may be taking place.

www.turnerradionetwork.com...

Who are these nuclear energy experts the author has spoken to? What are their qualifications? Are they real? Or are they simply the voices inside the authors head?

The author simply does not provide any creditably to this story.

BlackJackal

jaffo
I can hear what you're saying and I would love to agree. But I do feel the article goes a bit further than that. They seem to be of the opinion that “pellets of radioactive fuel, ejected when the reactor exploded, went into the spent fuel pool located above the reactor and have begun melting down so seriously they are boiling off the water in the spent fuel pool.”Should this be the case “the situation could escalate rapidly out of control.”

That seems pretty serious to me, like it's a completely uncontrolled reaction which they have no ability at all to view or guage. I suppose technically you are correct, but it also seems as there is an undercurrent in this, through various quotes, that says "Yeah this is the pellets and yeah, this is quite possibly getting ready to go south quickly." I hope you're view is right. I would rather be wrong about this than watch the World burn, honestly.

Here is the problem, this is all based off the reporting of a lone blogger. Here is a quote from the TRN article, which the article you linked is based on.

Nuclear energy experts have told TRN that the ONLY way this could be happening is if radioactive material previously ejected from the reactor explosion in March, 2011 has mixed together with other materials and has begun its own self-sustaining reaction(s), also known as a "criticality." Put simply, another "meltdown" may be taking place.

www.turnerradionetwork.com...

Who are these nuclear energy experts the author has spoken to? What are their qualifications? Are they real? Or are they simply the voices inside the authors head?

The author simply does not provide any creditably to this story.

Absolutely true. That said, I'm watching this carefully and maintain my position that there is no happy ending to this situation. It's not a matter of IF it will go really, really bad at some point, it's a question of WHEN it will happen and HOW BAD it will actually be. I'm banking on fairly soon and very bad.

Well whatever the case may be it needs fixing, pronto.
89 tons of burning nuclear waste would be a disaster of epic proportions. Far worse than anything seen in human history.

I'm not sure anything would survive for very long if that were to happen. If this is even a remote possibility, it is a responsibility of the entire world's to remedy. It needs to be on every media outlet every night until someone provides a solution.
The governments of this world are eventually gonna kill us all and we are gonna sit on our thumbs and do nothing about it.

Disgraceful

I think I already know the answer, but I'm still curious and would like to hear the opinions of some members.

What does this mean for Alaska. We're probably totally screwed, right?

Also, what if a guy had a healthy diet rich in iodine, chloride, and other healthy immune system builders. Would that build some defenses within your body, strengthen your thyroid?

Or with the levels we'll most likely be facing does diet and lifestyle even make a difference?

GoShredAK
I think I already know the answer, but I'm still curious and would like to hear the opinions of some members.

What does this mean for Alaska. We're probably totally screwed, right?

Also, what if a guy had a healthy diet rich in iodine, chloride, and other healthy immune system builders. Would that build some defenses within your body, strengthen your thyroid?

Or with the levels we'll most likely be facing does diet and lifestyle even make a difference?

No difference. The iodine only acts to prevent the uptake of certain elements to your thyroid. They provide no magic bullet protection against most forms of radioactive debris.

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It will affect entire Northern Hemisphere. The elite will live in the DUMBs. The radiation soft kiil Eugenics in action.

Time to evacuate the public within 100 miles of the area and then turn the place to glass.

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Excellent, thank you for the replies. As thoroughly depressing as I expected.

FEMA camps, here I come! Me and the fam. (not really I'll probably die first)

Oh how privileged are we to live in this particular era