Black Student ‘Lynches’ Two White Guys, Calls It Art

reply to post by theantediluvian


You found one. 1981, that's over 30 years ago.
Does that make it prevalent? Today?

I will come with a link that illustrates what lynching was like when it was prevalent. I for one am glad that things have changed.

I think the majority of people are taking this way too seriously. If people are unable to discuss controversial topics and the like with open minds, then what is the point of having a "free" society?

I would rather someone use creative means to express themselves like this, rather than start some sort of hate group or something.

Rather than see this an instantly be entirely defensive about the situation, I prefer to look at it and see it for the ironic statement that it is. I am capable of taking this as a work of someones creativity as expressive means, where others look at it with offense and disgust.

Heaven forbid someone make you take a step outside your comfort bubbles and delve into something out of the norm once in a while.

I am posting a link at the bottom of this post that will acquaint people with what lynchings were.
If you go there, keep in mind that many of the images of tortured and slain men and women were from postcards sold to commemorate the act.
There were Sunday School picnics conducted at some lynchings. People ate potato salad while a man screamed as he slowly burned to death.
Anyone that thinks we still live in an America like that is either very ignorant or not connected with reality.
WARNING: THIS LINK CONTAINS GRAPHIC HISTORICAL IMAGES OF LYNCHINGS!

Link

reply to post by pstrron


Bury the dead, respect them and do not keep digging them up , you can take from that whatever you wish.

We all know history , but do we learn from it ? we cannot be held hostage to things which we cannot change, to me art is art, but there are sometimes better ways to express feelings using art, without it bordering on the truly tasteless.

Seeing the real pictures of these horrors or reenactments to make a point does not help to heal or solve problems of race.

Most know that symbols are much more powerful than any words, the symbol or whatever point this artist is attempting to portray will probably hurt more than it heals no matter the color.

Gosh another poor white man thread. Their lives must be so miserable..always being stopped by police, being falsely accused of crimes, thrown in jail for petty crimes while the dark are allowed to walk and being labeled trash by the way they dress....OH WAIT.

reply to post by QUANTUMGR4V17Y

You're entitled to your opinion. I am upset because a small percentage of society has the entire populace of the United States tip toeing around them. This small percentage of society has had the laws changed, favoring them for positions of employment / education even when they're unqualified, with more than qualified non-minorities losing out on these positions.

Funny, I don't tip toe. It's pretty easy to not be a racist. I can only assume that you are referring to what is termed Affirmative Action in this country; a set of policies seeking to end employment discrimination based on "race, creed, color, or national origin," first set forth by JFK in 1961 with EO 10925 and later expanded upon by LBJ to include gender and further expanded under Nixon and George H.W. Bush. What you're specifically referring to is the preferred selection of candidates and federal law specifically prohibits the selection of unqualified candidates. Furthermore, Affirmative Action only applies to employment practices of the government and it's contractors.

These same people take a disproportionate amount of money through welfare and benefits, as well, they qualify for them when non-minorities do not. Yet, all I hear them preaching about is white privilege.

White citizens make up 75+% of this country, Blacks make up ~13%. I'm all for equality, though, I live in Detroit and I know what they preach is demanding superiority, not equality. These people (Liberals) who cry racism are by far the most racist people on this planet. Like I said, they cry about white privilege, yet a black man holds the highest position of power in the world. And he was voted by the majority of this country... Who happen to be white...

Nahhh, we're a racist country.

Peace.

Actually, we're 63% of the population (source). Here's a quick fact for you. Looking at just food stamps (SNAP), the breakdown by race is actually something like:
49% white (non-Hispanic)
26% black or African American
20% Hispanic (of any race)

source - U.S. Census Bureau

reply to post by pstrron


Many whose ancestry is deeply ingrained the west coast didn't experience the same horrors that we as a people have made much progress on on the east side of the U.S. (and still have much progress to go in many areas). As much as a part of learning from our mistakes is to move on from the past, you need to have the past in your mind like a glaring reminder as to why we make strides to improve tolerance nationwide.

I don't know what the exact intentions were, but it's protected under free speech as no one was harmed, correct? Well I do say something like this has a very fine line between educational and bigoted. But you're wrong, and as an example you can't re-enact the execution of Pirates accurately without bringing out the public lynching idea. It's all a part of our nation's past and we can't deny it.

theantediluvian
Just an FYI, there were numerous lynchings in the 60's during the Civil Rights movement and what is commonly viewed as the last recorded lynching in the U.S. actually happened in Alabama in 1981. As for this being art--like all art, it's appreciation is purely subjective.

Not that i'm going to do an exhaustive search but here's what wiki has to say:

Tuskegee remains the single most complete source of statistics and records on this crime since 1882. As of 1959, which was the last time that their annual Lynch Report was published, a total of 4,733 persons had died as a result of lynching since 1882. To quote the report,
"Except for 1955, when three lynchings were reported in Mississippi, none has been recorded at Tuskegee since 1951. In 1945, 1947, and 1951, only one case per year was reported. The most recent case reported by the institute as a lynching was that of Emmett Till, 14, a Negro who was beaten, shot to death, and thrown into a river at Greenwood, Mississippi on August 28, 1955...

en.wikipedia.org...

Last reported lynching in 1955 according to the Tuskegee institute.
Between 1939 - 1955 the number was around 1 per year.
1 lynching in the last 68 years isn't much to be making a fuss about.

I would like to thank all that have posted on this thread. Even though there have been differences in opinion, all have done so with respect to their fellow posters...Bravo!

There have been those that have defended Ms. Edwards right to express her art and those that oppose it. I have stated my opinion earlier and need not restate it. One of the things that seems to be missed is how the rest of the world views such actions. Many are quick to condemn what is done in the Middle east or other areas yet fail to see what is happening in the US. Comments regarding the US are rather unflattering and in many cases justly deserved.

A poster earlier asked if I had been in the South lately, sorry but I do not live in the US. With the divisions being constantly flaunted, race, political, judicial etc, how can the country continue to stand?

Art takes on many forms but should be respectful and in good taste even if trying to point out the injustices.

The student obviously thought it would be a great piece of controversial art by making people look at it through reversed perspective. It's like a rip off of the corny line from Matthew McConaughey, "now imagine the girl was white". A Time To Kill, I think.

What annoys me, however, is that this demonstrates such a limited world perspective on the issue of lynchings. If they had done any form of research, they would find ample cases of white people being lynched/tortured/murdered by black people. Throughout Africa in particular, especially following the end of apartheid, there were lots of cases of this happening.

We don't need 'controversial' art pieces to make us think about this from a reversed perspective - most intelligent people know it's happened that way too...

Regards,
Rewey

I'm starting to get VERY upset with all this crap. Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, LGBT's, it's not yall either. It's the libtard-whites and their handlers (those we can't speak of); they're pushing for some kind of perpetual "get whitey" movement.

If for one moment we could all come together, we could topple these dildos rather easily.

reply to post by ImaFungi


I was referring to today and not history. And when I said racism was a two way street, I meant that no matter the color or ethnicity, there is always someone who has an issue with someone different. But, no, I really try to treat everyone as a human being because it is what is inside that is important, not the color or ethnicity. I think much of the racism we see and hear about today is because people remember what happened in the past and continue that way of thinking instead of looking at the past as history and moving on and realizing everyone is a human being and treating them as such.

theantediluvian
reply to post by QUANTUMGR4V17Y

 

You're entitled to your opinion. I am upset because a small percentage of society has the entire populace of the United States tip toeing around them. This small percentage of society has had the laws changed, favoring them for positions of employment / education even when they're unqualified, with more than qualified non-minorities losing out on these positions.

Funny, I don't tip toe. It's pretty easy to not be a racist. I can only assume that you are referring to what is termed Affirmative Action in this country; a set of policies seeking to end employment discrimination based on "race, creed, color, or national origin," first set forth by JFK in 1961 with EO 10925 and later expanded upon by LBJ to include gender and further expanded under Nixon and George H.W. Bush. What you're specifically referring to is the preferred selection of candidates and federal law specifically prohibits the selection of unqualified candidates. Furthermore, Affirmative Action only applies to employment practices of the government and it's contractors.

These same people take a disproportionate amount of money through welfare and benefits, as well, they qualify for them when non-minorities do not. Yet, all I hear them preaching about is white privilege.

White citizens make up 75+% of this country, Blacks make up ~13%. I'm all for equality, though, I live in Detroit and I know what they preach is demanding superiority, not equality. These people (Liberals) who cry racism are by far the most racist people on this planet. Like I said, they cry about white privilege, yet a black man holds the highest position of power in the world. And he was voted by the majority of this country... Who happen to be white...

Nahhh, we're a racist country.

Peace.

Actually, we're 63% of the population (source). Here's a quick fact for you. Looking at just food stamps (SNAP), the breakdown by race is actually something like:
49% white (non-Hispanic)
26% black or African American
20% Hispanic (of any race)

source - U.S. Census Bureau

edit on 2013-12-18 by theantediluvian because: (no reason given)

Sorry, I had quickly looked and saw the 77.9%, which was what I was referring to. My bad.

Anyways...

Whites at 63% use 49% of the food stamps.. The majority (also the majority in the country, so that makes sense, no?), but notice, the population doesn't outweigh food stamp usage.

Hispanics at 16.9% of the population use 20% of the food stamps. Disproportionate, but not wildly out of place.

Blacks at 13% of the population use 26% of the foodstamps, quite a disproportionate amount.

Thank you for confirming what I stated... I don't know if that was what you were trying to do?

And "Furthermore, Affirmative Action only applies to employment practices of the government and it's contractors." Weird, I couldn't tell you the last time I applied for a job somewhere and didn't see EOE on their application? Or in their brochure? Don't most companies based here in the United States adhere to the EOE laws set forth in Title VII of the Civil Rights Act of 1964? I mean, I've seen local pizza shops with it (EOE) on their applications....?


Peace.

An inflammatory cartoon from the UKA's The Fiery Cross that was used as evidence in the civil trial resulting from Michael Donald's murder.
The same night other Klan members burnt a three-foot cross on the Mobile County courthouse lawn. Bennie Hays' son, Henry Hays (age 26), and James Llewellyn "Tiger" Knowles (age 17) drove around Mobile looking for a victim.[4][5] Picked at random, they spotted Michael Donald walking home from getting his sister a pack of cigarettes. They kidnapped him, drove out to a secluded area in the woods, attacked him and beat him with a tree limb. They wrapped a rope around his neck, and pulled on it to strangle him, before slitting his throat and hanging him from a tree across the street from Hays' house.[4]

here's the aforementioned cartoon:


We all know about the KKK. So we can say that this art is equivalent to Klan bulls#it. Its not any sort of commentary or subjective art. Its hate speech just like the Klan.

Ya'll see how this liberal double-edged sword of hypocrisy works?

This is "art"; "Art" from the deranged mind of a black-power racist who wants to exterminate whites and hang them from trees. It's pretty clear what she's saying with her "art". Remember when just the nooses were hanged from a tree in the school yard and a white kid/kids were beaten by gangs of blacks because of it?? Wonder why their "art" wasn't given the same respect? The two white guys who agreed to do this are bigger idiot tools than her for allowing themselves to be used as a statement by a black racist with a fantasy of hanging whites.

reply to post by Logarock


I didn't claim it to be enlightening. . .just that this kid obviously wants whites to experience a little reverse racism. What's the problem with that? Whites have been doing it forever in the US against Native Americans.

Divine Strake
I didn't claim it to be enlightening. . .just that this kid obviously wants whites to experience a little reverse racism. What's the problem with that? Whites have been doing it forever in the US against Native Americans.

Eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind.

Retribution has never solved anything.

reply to post by peck420


True. . .but it's not MY problem.

Divine Strake
True. . .but it's not MY problem.

First they came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Communist.

Then they came for the Socialists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Socialist.

Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.

Then they came for me,
and there was no one left to speak for me.

Societal issues left unresolved eventually become every ones problem.

reply to post by Logarock


As well, I am quite surprised that someone of your long standing stature here at ATS being so, well, sarcastic I guess. I have no enemies here, and you will not be the first no matter how disrespectful your words may be.