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alldaylong
laytheovers
reply to post by stumason
so your argument is that despite the fact that this particular hardware was designed by US, its maintained by US, its crucially dependent on technologies the US controls exclusively (hello GPS hello...), you, the UK maintain a full control over its use because you control the loading.. hahaha ok mate.. fair enough, makes perfect sense..
just so in case you have a chance to respond in kind in case the command structure was compromised in US in the event of a thermonuclear war... as if your first priority in such an incident would be to retaliate... not to find some hole to crawl into.. ok mate its bollocks.. but dont tell me tell your parliament they are the ones that held this debate if you bothered having a look at the link i quoted.
by the way obviously in every other parliament of a nuclear power they have sat there plenty of times and seriously debated if they can or not control their "own" nuclear weapons.. the Russians, the Chinese, the French, the Indians they all have this debate at least once a month.. NOT !!
I take it that you are aware that the nuclear warheads are designed and manufactured in The UK?
Or does that not fit in with your argument?
en.wikipedia.org...
laytheovers
ah so you have an almost operational control over its targeting ? .. it more or less will land where is targeted ? It can be used as a free fall bomb too
laytheovers
well its quite bright usually
laytheovers
Thats a good one, vanguard nuclear submarine surfaces in south atlantic.. the captain checks the sextant and the coordinates are loaded into the Tridents.. now go find the star.. not Alpha Centauri if u don't fancy it.. Do you know Monty Python are re-united ? this scenario would feet lovely in their show
laytheovers
yeah ok mate you missed the irony in my comment about irrelevance of position... Clyde would have been a prime target back in the day.. it probably still is very high in the list
laytheovers
except you own Nazi party that is moaning that even the Pakistanis will have more than the UK in a few years
www.bnp.org.uk...
laytheovers
the conclusion of the White Paper mentioned before :
“We continue to believe that the costs of developing a nuclear deterrent relying solely on UK sources outweigh the benefits. We do not see a good case for making what would be a substantial additional investment in our nuclear deterrent purely to insure against a, highly unlikely, deep and enduring breakdown in relations with the US. We therefore believe that it makes sense to continue to procure elements of the system from the US.”
what more can be said about the subject ? no yanks no nukes, no ? the highly unlikely deep an enduring breakdown in relations with the US would be an absolute certainty should the UK even dared mentioning anything about nuclear deterrence in the conflict with Argentina.
laytheovers
"The weapons themselves are entirely made and maintained within the UK @ AWE Aldermaston and AWE Burghfield. "
yes and i-phones are built in China... but yes of course its a wrong analogy..
laytheovers
My non point is you wouldn't be able to threaten with and obviously use any of the UK nuclear deterrent capabilities in the conflict with Argentina even if you wanted it to...it was not for you originally, it was for the delusional muppet that dared say "one word Tridents"..
Gary29
reply to post by alldaylong
Now all we need is a navy.
howmuch4another
Carry on.
laytheovers
alldaylong
laytheovers
reply to post by stumason
so your argument is that despite the fact that this particular hardware was designed by US, its maintained by US, its crucially dependent on technologies the US controls exclusively (hello GPS hello...), you, the UK maintain a full control over its use because you control the loading.. hahaha ok mate.. fair enough, makes perfect sense..
just so in case you have a chance to respond in kind in case the command structure was compromised in US in the event of a thermonuclear war... as if your first priority in such an incident would be to retaliate... not to find some hole to crawl into.. ok mate its bollocks.. but dont tell me tell your parliament they are the ones that held this debate if you bothered having a look at the link i quoted.
by the way obviously in every other parliament of a nuclear power they have sat there plenty of times and seriously debated if they can or not control their "own" nuclear weapons.. the Russians, the Chinese, the French, the Indians they all have this debate at least once a month.. NOT !!
I take it that you are aware that the nuclear warheads are designed and manufactured in The UK?
Or does that not fit in with your argument?
en.wikipedia.org...
designed the war heads ?
im sorry the link you quoted says
"To maintain the warheads for the Trident nuclear deterrent safely and reliably in service:
To maintain a capability to design a new weapon, should it ever be required.
how does this affect my argument ?
You seem to be totally misunderstanding, being facetious even - if GPS were to suddenly be unavailable, for whatever reason, the missile guidance will not be compromised in any way, shape or form. Using a sextant, or whatever archaic means such as triangulating the stars, to position yourself is actually quite accurate if you are trained - accuracy, if you know what you're doing and take several measurements, can be down to half a mile or less.
Now, if you know your starting point, you can plot a launch trajectory. Consider if GPS is available for the sub and they get their start point down to the cm, then the accuracy of the missile is within 100m of the intended target, using a traditional system to plot yourself and the launch would make the missile accurate to within a half a mile mile, which for a nuke targeting a city is plenty accurate enough. With proper navigation on the Sub, the accuracy, as stated is less than 100m which is pretty much a bullseye for a missile travelling thousands of Km.
we could launch one from the Solent, knowing exactly where we are and hit them
Oh dear - using the BNP to make a point! Not a good starting point.....
.Yet again, you're totally confusing the Trident missile with the weapon itself. The conclusion Parliament came up with, in your own post, is that it is almost in the realm of impossibility we should be in a position where the US would refuse to give us our missiles
laytheovers
reply to post by alldaylong
i did not get what you are saying here, would you like to please explain this ?
laytheovers
reply to post by alldaylong
and what does the Julin Bristol has to do with this ?
what is your point.. do you want me to say that Frederick Soddy invented the nuclear bomb or something ?