New York Doctors Flee Obamacare: ‘I Plan To Retire’

reply to post by NoRulesAllowed


Give me ONE PROFESSION that puts you in school for over the standard 4 year degree, have insurance, dole HUGE amounts of money for overhead, etc

I have to think this I mostly BS.

"Obama Care" forces people to purchase private insurance contracts. The private insurers already have contracts with the doctors. If reimbursements were to drop to the doctors, the government would not be the benefactor, it would be the insurance companies. The insurance companies want to pay as much to the doctors as they can. The more they pay, the higher premiums, and thus the acceptable margins translate into higher profits.

If any doctors quit because of "Obama Care" it was simply because they fell for all the fear tactics and failed to assess the situation adequately. They will have a steady supply of new patients at private insurance rates if they stay in practice. The government doesn't pay them, the insurance companies do.

I like much of "Obama Care", like dependent care and pre-existing conditions, but I am strongly against giving the insurance companies and doctors carte blanche to rape us on our premiums. I also dislike that the government, through the subsidies, is enabling this process even further. Give us a single payer non-profit system where the focus is on healthy patients and not profit.

so... they interviewed 403 doctors and 23% of them knew jack about the ACA?

what is the difference between the ACA and if the 15% of people had insurance? oh right... they don't get PAYED as much.
doctors complained about the new previsions for medicaid as well, it lowered their copay and payment for check ups.
it went from 80 bucks to 40-30, all they are angry about is having to do more work for a living.


i will say that malpractice needs to be looked at, that is a huge burden for the doctors who want to help people not get payed big bucks.

And all I want to add is that that entire outrage and the many hoaxes/lies about OC are ridiculous and unfounded.
Why do I say this? As I said above, it works in OTHER countries, so why should it not work in the US? Of course other countries had a lot more time to adopt and improve the system, you cannot "switch" an entire nation to an entire health care system in a week! And there will be problems and naysayers in the beginning but over time it will work. The argument given by some people sounding like that now doctors are "wasting" their time even wanting to become doctors..is just ridiculous.

HomerinNC
reply to post by reaganero

 

Well since YOU think Doctors are in it JUST for the money, why dont YOU go back to school for 8+ years to be a doctor and charge as little as possible, hell, since I assume youre NOT in it for the money, why not do it FOR FREE????
Lets see how long that lasts with 200,000 plus in student loans, plus insurance, plus wages for your nurses and technicians, the rent or mortgage of your office

Yeah, didnt think so...

We need to pay for doctors to go to med school. Then have them work in the non-profit single payer system for some period of time to compensate. Similar to how ROTC works.

reply to post by HomerinNC


Explain that to people who have PhD's outside of the medical field.

Anyway, the first part of my reply states that I think they are overpaid to begin with.

Get a clue.

reply to post by buster2010

Now we see the reason why they are quitting. Because they won't be able to charge outrageous amounts for their work. Like charging the government for a full physical after asking a patient how do you feel.

Dude, after 8 years of school, I pretty much think they deserve it.

reply to post by Propulsion


School is a privilege.

A lot of the same threats and caterwauling went on in this country when our version of SOCIALIZED medicine came in.

It came to very little. Some doctors did go to the states and elsewhere.

The ones who stayed are coining it. Socialized medicine means more people seek medical care because it has become affordable. The drug companies are also coining it.

I'm not sure what options for tailoring a practice are available under Obamacare but I suspect most doctors will still be able to have the kind of practice they want to have, probably more so than in this country.

The big complaint from doctors is that they can't give the high paying patient the sort of ultra TLC they would like to and which these patients would like to have.

In this country higher education is heavily subsidised by taxpayers. In Canada we live in a society where professionals owe a degree of social responsibility to society as a whole. The health care system is there to serve the people at large. It is not a get rich quick scheme for privileged parasites.

Many doctors also are more than happy to cure as many people as they can. For them medicine is a vocation as well as a profession.

Retiring is easy but relocating is different. Americans needn't fear a mass exodus of doctors.

It ain't gonna happen.

demongoat
so... they interviewed 403 doctors and 23% of them knew jack about the ACA?

what is the difference between the ACA and if the 15% of people had insurance? oh right... they don't get PAYED as much.
doctors complained about the new previsions for medicaid as well, it lowered their copay and payment for check ups.
it went from 80 bucks to 40-30, all they are angry about is having to do more work for a living.


i will say that malpractice needs to be looked at, that is a huge burden for the doctors who want to help people not get payed big bucks.

Malpractice insurance is a huge part of the problem. How many professions have to pay 1/4 of their income for insurance?

So doctors are mad that it'll be harder for them to rape your wallet.....we'll be fine, a younger/newer generation of doctors will come in and be happy to finally be practicing, and get used to the system

reply to post by IAMTAT


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Loony, Moony, Phoney.

reply to post by ObjectZero


When they planned Obama Care they factored in a High chance of total failure, which then and maybe only then in this country can they convince us to go universal. I remember when this bill was being written and the media was covering it hard, someone had audio of a meeting discussing healthcare where Obama says.."Canada didn't start off with Universal Care" it's a process. If people are seriously hurting and their Children are suffering because of it, cant afford premiums, pharmacy costs, ect. They will be willing, or begging for Universal Care.

Pelosi said, when asked this question on CNN a few weeks back... What do you say about people who think ObamaCare will destroy the 40 hour work week?

Pelosis answer.. If Americans don't have to work 40 hours a week they can then chase their dreams. It will Liberate them.

So she is now admitting that they hoped it will kill the 40 hour work week. Her families worth millions. The wedding she attended last month of George Soros her friend is worth billions. Not to mention he he speaks boldly about wanting the Dollar to slowly decline, and hopes China buys into a system that can the create a Global 1 wold currency. She is a secret Communist, just like Obama, and many more we probaly don't even know about.

If Karma isn't busy. Pay that Traitor, Millionaire, plastic face Pelosi a visit & show her how people who cant even afford to live on 40 hours let alone 32 feel everyday. God is Good and hates Ugly

Crakeur
when a doctor doesn't participate, you can still go to them. you pay the doctor, the insurer reimburses you based on your plan.

Is this all insurance companies? I have excellent insurance so I'm not switching to obummercare no way no how, however there is a doctor I see who I refuse to give up that takes no insurance at all. Only cash or debit. I feel slightly retarded now. I believe I had read somewhere where I could submit bills for this. I think you are right and its based on what they will pay so I will have to pay any overage but I can still see who I want. Thanks for the heads up!

Here in Illinois, the state's largest insurer (Blue Cross) was forced to reduce their PPO Network of Hospitals and Doctors by a whopping 70% to just to keep some "affordable" plans in their 2014 portfolio. It's insane what ACA-ObamaScare is doing to this country.

I hope people are writing their Congressmen about this, even if they aren't affected yet, because ultimately, they will be!
cwm

reply to post by IAMTAT

Of those doctors who said they were participating in Obamacare, their cited reason was they “had to” because of existing contracts with insurers or medical providers.

Don't they "have to" follow the hippocratic oath?

ACA political BS gets more and more loathsome with each day…

I wonder which country they will go to practice that does not already have socialized medicine. And if they are retiring, they are probably too old with old ideas.

Khaleesi

demongoat
so... they interviewed 403 doctors and 23% of them knew jack about the ACA?

what is the difference between the ACA and if the 15% of people had insurance? oh right... they don't get PAYED as much.
doctors complained about the new previsions for medicaid as well, it lowered their copay and payment for check ups.
it went from 80 bucks to 40-30, all they are angry about is having to do more work for a living.


i will say that malpractice needs to be looked at, that is a huge burden for the doctors who want to help people not get payed big bucks.

Malpractice insurance is a huge part of the problem. How many professions have to pay 1/4 of their income for insurance?

apparently everyone if premiums are going to spike like people say they are.

Frankly this is the sort of thread i can imagine young germans would have been typing after 14 years of national socialist schooling about the dire threat posed by the jewish rulers of the world .... How can people be so terribly misinformed and so systematically mistaking effect for cause ( and the opposite) in this day and age? How can the doctors hold obama liable for the price gauging medical insurance agencies who will try to pay doctors as little ( and i hear it's sometimes not so little anyways) as possible and charge customers so much that hundreds of thousands of Americans die each year because they take a chance with their health instead of having to fork over all their discretionary ( and often they do not have that) income for what is often bad advice too?

Obamacare in it's current form is NOWHERE NEAR what the original program looked liked as that one could in fact be called something akin to socialised medicine while the current program was gutted from head to tail by the republican bought ( and only feigned democrat resistance) big pharma's/insurance top men.

This is by no means the program Obama promised ( which is no surprise given that he lied about practically everything else too) and it is certainly not some socialist takeover of the health industry!

The irony is that Americans are getting pretty much, or more depending on your view, all the government intervention Europeans have to put up with very few of the benefits Europeans gain by exchanging ( what many here at least understand) their essential freedom of action , liberty if you will, for less security than Europeans would even dream of putting up with.

I understand that this is a conspiracy forum and all but this is in fact a subject matter that can be investigated in excruciating detail ( unlike some others on the forum) so why is that being done by such a small percentage of the posters on this thread?

I am not even FROM the US ( but since we are all being turned into the worse type of "Americans", the one's foreigners imagine when they burn the flag, that may not be relevant ) but perhaps your legitimate excuse can be that you are from your country ? I guess i should in all fairness then suggest that you tell me what is wrong with South-Africa; other people's problems do after all always seem much easier to solve! Having said that i think our social and economic problems are comparatively much bigger so perhaps it's better if we all concentrate on the 'easy' stuff first!

Stellar