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Fire from water

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posted on Oct, 29 2013 @ 04:27 PM

The op is talking about a new application of electrolysis called Safe flame.

But how new is it really?

The wikipedia entry for oxy fuel welding already menions it.
You can already buy these devices from here and here, and at this link is an email from way back in 1994 that talks about an existing device:

The CAM-1 water torch, which you state is manufactured in Russia, is an electrolyzer which makes a hydrogen/oxygen flame from distilled water through electrolysis. It is used by jewelry manufacturers for heating, soldering, and welding metals.

posted on Oct, 29 2013 @ 05:34 PM


Hydrogen production always requires more energy than can be retrieved from the gas as a fuel later on.

Is it more efficient to power a vehicle directly with the electricity?

YES. Any hydrolysis cell spends most of the input power in I2R heating of the electrolyte. Some of the electrical power goes into splitting the hydrogen, but not all. So all the energy you use boiling the electrolyte (and cooling it so it doesn't boil) is lost.

posted on Oct, 29 2013 @ 05:35 PM
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run your car on water. This guy does just that!
About the first words out of Lazar's mouth are:

"You can't run a car on water".

Somebody has some kind of serious cognitive dysfunction to interpret that as meaning "run your car on water", don't you think?

edit on 29-10-2013 by Arbitrageur because: clarification


I always give the title of the youtube Video:


The Book of Wisdom of Solomon

Chapter 19 Verse 19
The fire had power in water above its own virtue, and the water forgot its quenching nature.


run your car on water. This guy does just that!

edit on 29-10-2013 by AbleEndangered because: added verse and chapter to green text

Notice, that is the title of the video??

Why so quick to the insults people??

You know what they say about insults and intelligence....

-Jean-Jacques Rousseau
Insults are the arguments employed by those who are in the wrong.


So now let me guess, you were insulting the person who titled the video??

edit on 29-10-2013 by AbleEndangered because: additions

posted on Oct, 29 2013 @ 05:35 PM

There is problem using water as fuel for car.

The biggest one of which is that it has zero chemical energy in it. So there's no power to be had. That's a real show-stopper.

posted on Oct, 29 2013 @ 05:41 PM

so questions come to mind, is the same scientific process? if so why are we only hearing about this seven years later...good find though!

In that both processes cause electrolysis of water, yes, it's the same process. One uses DC to do it, the other one Kanzius was using a stock e-field diathermy machine that he'd put in a new Budd box and stuck some Dymo labels on to make it look like he'd designed it.

That way is even MORE inefficient, but it looks cool.

posted on Oct, 30 2013 @ 08:42 PM


I almost never post here, let alone start threads, but I found this to be so incredible and ingenious

The technology is being called Safeflame
applications for this technology...

"This technology" is called electrolysis, commonly seen in high school science experiments, and has been known since the year 1800 for splitting water.

LOL, like Alfa1 stated this is nothing new at all! My dad had a 'water welder' back in the 1960's it's used all the time.
It's elementary physics, water is hydrogen and oxygen, separate them and it burns!
Not to be a jerk but If you just discovered this, you need to read more!
edit on 30-10-2013 by wulff because: (no reason given)

posted on Apr, 17 2015 @ 06:12 AM
Wow I never thought water can be a whole lot useful to everyone. Nice thread though.

edit on 17-4-2015 by IAmPhoenix7 because: (no reason given)

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