Electromagnetism, UFOs, and the Weaponization of Alien Technology

corsair00
reply to post by The GUT

 

Very fascinating sighting. I always fantasize about seeing UFOs up in the mountains, but it has not happened yet.

Was the craft anything like the Carlos Diaz sighting from Mexico?

Actually now that I've taken another look, the trees to the left and right of the outcrop are about right visually. Maybe those in the above pic are a tad smaller. I thought that outcrop--the highest point, that is, were trees--but maybe they are rocks?

So, with all of the above in mind, what do we make of folk like Col. Alexander and Kit Green? Folk who have achieved some of the highest levels in government, folk who have had a lifelong interest in both ufology and phenomenology, and folk who, like Persinger, have a true scientific interest in all things EM---the scientist-shaman, the modern alchemist if you will. What might they know--or suspect--about the nature of these things? How close to them have they become?

reply to post by The GUT



Let’s get right to the core issue and that is from a Spiritual-Apocalyptic Perspective

It seems logical that any advanced beings would communicate with the human external hierarchy if they have an agenda to affect human evolution

If certain religious paradigms are true than the Alien Phenomenon may very well have something to do with them.

From this perspective they may be an aspect of the physical apparatus of the mechanism which is activated in the “end of time” to corral the human race in order to facilitate the races accessibility to functional change mechanisms (inner transformation) that is available through metaphysical realities few of us know anything about.

Of course the exoteric yin yang of religious fundamentalists will likely classify them as jinn if Muslim or devils if Christian, a typical black and white scenario for the simplistic religious theorists.

From a more esoteric view we might ask ourselves what God would do to move things around in this period? Use some kind of invisible force? Or more likely a somewhat anonymous, drone-like functional group of androgynous, nondescript and non interventionist—worker-like beings.

What impresses me is the anonymous aspect of them, they aren’t beating their chests and declaring any dogmatic theory we all must obey or else. At least overtly there not.

This tells us that they are dealing on an interior level primarily.

They may be merely a vehicle, like a car or boat carrying something to a certain location and when arrived at the vehicle is discarded. Or worker bees carrying honey for the queen-Bee. In this case they are arranging physical environments relative to the event in question.

This scenario, at this point, would naturally exclude any kind of grand alien announcement “we are here” And the more anonymous routine that the UFOs have adhered to so far, that we are familiar with, is perfectly in-line with this theory.

They, the aliens, are really not anything substantial; they have no individuality but are mere computer-like drones doing the bidding of a higher power, only programmed to deal with the expected human like response of any contact with humans which usually revolves around fear and trepidation.

In religious eschatology the principle of God dealing with a select few or the foremost, if you will, is exemplified in the UFO alien events.

Bottom line, it seems that from the highest adepts such as those around Blavatsky to the occult mystics like Crowley and Dee, all the way down to simpler folks who have no public pedigree, it is clear that humanity is being communicated with from an occult stream and that something is moving around in the cosmic soul of humanity and in this age is coming to a head from both above and below!

reply to post by The GUT


There wouldn't be any entities involved in what i mentioned there, but the projection of those spiritual qualities onto the planets is interesting of itself, as there is an underlying metaphysical language involving colour/light frequencies, velocity, eccentricity, mass, gravitas, luminosity, elemental composition, all sorts of complications one might expect to find with planets, these can be considered and interpreted in dance, depending on how weird one is.

We have all heard and know about the link between the development of nuclear weapons and UFO accounts, but everything I have seen, all of the research I have done leads me right to this thread topic. Electromagnetics, altered consciousness, etc.

It seems clear to me that we live in an electric universe.

SO, perhaps we will find more peculiarities linked to the people that brought electricity to our planet? The harnessing of electricity is every bit as important as the harnessing of atomic power in the grand scheme of things.

Furthermore, we need to figure out how to analyze EM fields more rigorously to see if we can find information in them, IMO.

Really enjoying this thread, ladies and gents. Great discussion.

reply to post by The GUT

Ok I know this thread has taken a slight detour but I feel like I should post this anyways. Since we are on the topic of em devices and spiritualism, which has a "parallel" to the UFO/ET phenomena, at least in some minds, this should be an interesting vid. This phone message was on my answering machine some months back. About two weeks prior to this I was reading John Keel's book "The Mothman Prophecies" in which he details his many experiences with "phone anomalies" i.e. talking to supposed e.t.s, mysterious noises on the phone, etc. I, in a very "wish upon a star" kind of way, wanted something like what he was talking about to happen to me. Well I think this message on my home phone fits the criteria of a strange phone call! I have no idea who these people are, never spoke to them in my life. Most people say it is a "butt dial" however my understanding of that situation is that when you have someones phone number in a speed dial on your cell phone and you accidentally sit on the phone while it is on and someone gets a recording of you talking to others, who are in your immediate vicinity and not on another phone. This is between two men who are talking on phones to each other, and I have no idea who they are, hence they do not have my number...also there are two calls here, the first one was just odd interference effects and no discernible voices, the second is a mostly inteligible conversation between what I have come to believe a man and his pastor/spiritual advisor about demonic influence...really crazy coincidence to pick up a phone call about demons feeding on fear when I was just reading John Keels book, among others, that deal with precisely that idea!

reply to post by nitro67


I will take you at your word on that one. Haha
I have learned not to go inviting trouble. It has a way of finding you. That movie freaked me smooth out for some reason (and movies rarely do that unless they are about ghosts). That is one field I am content remaining ignorant about.

reply to post by JayinAR


That's funny you say that ghosts are the only thing that really freak you out. I have had a great deal of experience with hauntings when I was young, some the classical poltergeist type and others sort of terrifyingly different. I have seen a UFO in broad daylight that looked like a structured metal craft then just vanished. I've had no experience with any of these things for around 20 years now. I think they are all the same phenomenon. They were all definitely tied together in my case. I have found when I was having these experiences that they seem to focus somehow on the things that do really freak you out. But it's also really random and makes you feel like you must be crazy sometimes. I don't know if this makes sense or not, but this whole phenomenon makes no sense to the 'normal' mindset of most.

P.S. If you do start to have any experiences they will probably be ghost related, just saying...

reply to post by wtbengineer


Yeah, I have had experiences of both varieties as well.
Hell, I have even had a Sasquatch sighting.

I have had enough paranormal crap happen in my life that I feel strongly that it is possible to will this crap to happen.

I am just more interested now in studying the why of it all rather than making it happen. Maybe once we get it all sorted out I will play with it again. But without a good understanding this crap can literally unhinge your mind.

reply to post by The GUT


I'm not sure. I think this picture was actually taken by Michael Hesseman. He is a German researcher who went to Mexico to document the Diaz deal. I have the DVD 'Ships of Light' lying around somewhere. I thought a lot of the footage was quite intriguing, but once Diaz hooked up with Maussan, really suspicious footage started to emerge. I think Maussan has no qualms whatsoever about getting hoaxed footage, for sensational news stories and higher ratings. He has been caught doing this recently.

But I think initially, Carlos Diaz had real UFO experiences. In the documentary, interviews with dozens of locals from Carlos' town described seeing the very same craft. Also, air traffic controllers were able to confirm that unknown craft pop in to that area on radar ALL the time. Interestingly, the air traffic controller in Ships of Light is the same man that testified at the May 2001 Disclosure Project event.

Your posts about the occult influence are very fascinating. I tend to believe that is exactly what is going on. I can probably post more about similar things, but I have to pace myself sometimes. I don't have the best attention span! hahah

reply to post by JayinAR


Yes, I agree, and I think that this is why I have not had any of this strangeness for so long now, I just will it that way. I personally would not welcome any more of it in my life for any reason. You are brave or just really curious, but all the things I've had experience with have been quite unpleasant.

Eidolon23

Regardless of origin, a plasma-based organism would definitely do what it could do dissuade us from using tech that could potentially crash the entire extra-planetary ecosystem.

Again.

But how do neural firings lead to thoughts and feelings? Conventional ("functionalist") approaches fall short on the mind's enigmatic features. These include: 1) the nature of subjective experience, or qualia, our "inner life" (e.g. Nagel, 1974; Chalmers, 1996) 2) "binding" of spatially distributed brain activities into unitary objects in vision and a coherent sense of "self," 3) transition from pre-conscious processing to consciousness, 4) non-computability (Penrose, 1989; 1994; 1997), and 5) free will.

Functionalist approaches generally assume that conscious experience appears as a novel property at a critical level of computational complexity. On the surface this would seem to deal with issues 1 and 3, however a conscious threshold has neither been identified nor predicted, and there are no apparent differences in electrophysiological activities between non-conscious and conscious activity. Regarding the nature of experience (why we are not unfeeling "zombies") functionalism offers no testable predictions. Problem 2) of 'binding' in vision and self is often attributed by functionalists to temporal correlation (e.g. coherent 40 Hz), but it is unclear why temporal correlation per se should bind experience without an explanation of experience. As functionalism is based on deterministic computation, it is also unable to account for Penrose's proposed non­computability (4), or free will (5). Something may be missing.

www.quantumconsciousness.org...

Perhaps the saucers are us demonstrating a way out of the loop. We've got Crowley's fetus-like Mushroom Cloud-Noggin'ed 3:33 emissary making tinny phonecalls that cause the fine hairs to stand; imparting a grim knowledge we already retain from our amnesiac nightmares: we destroy ourselves over and over again on the chance that we might finally blossom out into a fleet of bright ships, carrying the seeds of infinite new Earths within them.



file:///home/chronos/user/Downloads/Jared%20Diamond%20-%20Collapse.pdf

But we can't take this bag of # with us, so the signals look as weird as all the ways a human gets warped.

reply to post by Eidolon23



I'm not so sure though. I mean, they don't seem too interested in what we are doing to the oceans. Things like massive oil spills could also crash the system.

The link to nuclear weapons is undeniable though. I think it points POSSIBLY to an extra dimensional link. Atomic weaponry may be felt throughout parallel realms for
what they do to the actual fabric of space itself. Dunno though, I'm just spitballing, as you say.

If it were as simple as protecting our ecosystem, I would think they would also be concerned with the fact all of our honeybees are dying off as well.


Post was written before your edit. Wasn't clear on your point.

reply to post by JayinAR


But there's evidence that we've been here before.

Maybe several times.

That as good as we are at organizing, we keep running into the same problems.

Because, in aggregate, we still have tremendous blind spots. If there's a way to slip the cycle, it will have to come from our propensity to draw our tech from science fiction: it may feed our collective fruiting from out the muck of our history.

I incline toward this strongly because the manifestations tend to conform to and confirm the Observer Effect.

Sure, it might be a ET or ID of an entirely foreign origin effing with us through our own cultural filters, but to what end? Mary to one, a Grey to another, sacred and sinister by turns.

How about: we've got space travel on the horizon, systemic flaws of legendary proportions and a population boom that would make a tribble blush. We have a drive to understand, and a drive to control; anxiety over abortion and medical testing.

And suddenly we've got solid objects darting around the sky and giant fetuses performing invasive surgery on adults-- and those things exist to the extent that they show up on radar and cameras and leave scars.

If we are that powerful in the aggregate, why is it that we keep stampeding off the cliff?

That's the mystery that bears solving.

reply to post by Eidolon23


Perhaps the answer lies in our tendency to place our faith and trust in others (Governments) to look after "our best interests" for us while we seek out a life of leisure.
The more adept of our society certainly wield vast "powers", as you termed it, but the vast majority are simply not inclined to seek out these mysteries. I feel that in the past this wasn't the case. What did people do with their lives before electronics of any sort entered the scene? Well, there was much more time for reflection and meditation, for starters. The further back in time you go, I would offer that the number of people seeking to truly understand their world goes up.

Complacency is what pushes us off the cliff collectively. You give power to a handful of people and basically say, "here, you deal with it."

If there is a sort of collective consciousness surrounding this planet that is "intelligent", it is going to reflect the nature of man's thought process on the whole. Which is to say it will be chaotic. Sometimes sacred, other times sinister.

reply to post by Eidolon23


Okay, let's mash the pedal.

Say there's a modern Bruno. He had a few sources of inspiration, and he's a walking set of antennae quivering in the wash of impending peril and our shared past; twitching with every fresh mutation of the symbolic vocabulary that writes the history books. He can read the writing on the wall when the rest of his fellows seem illiterate or indifferent.

You take a strong set of archetypes-- say the Egyptian pantheon-- and you spin them thusly:

Get a guy named Andrija Puharich to gather the scions of the wealthiest families in the nation. They have the most money to throw at the projects which could avert the end of the stupid cycle. Tell them that The Nine have ordained them as their chosen few.

But they knew that all along. Thanks, Calvinism, we almost left that bag of # behind on the Continent.

Anyway.

Puharich has a pet "medium" confide to the marks that they are very special people, there to save humanity from themselves. Meanwhile, you drop a few memetic seeds among the brighter military brats to get the ball rolling.

60 years later, much to his surprise, there are kids that are picking up the ball and running in directions that don't require rich backers or subterfuge. It turns out that the most direct approach is usually the most effective. You can't trick people into not killing themselves, but the Goodness of Life is its own argument.

It doesn't stop the orbs, but those are a different thing altogether.

JayinAR
I feel that in the past this wasn't the case. What did people do with their lives before electronics of any sort entered the scene?

That is a really great question, and I don't know how to answer it. We know that immediately beforehand, people worked a lot, and when they weren't working, they read one of a narrow selection of universal books. Or they sang and played instruments together.

Probably they told stories, crude ones, scary ones, and family tales.

But before Dickens and the like, no one really cared to record much of what the hundred-thousands did on their off-time. So, it's hard to say. These days, it could be argued that the control structure is still attempting to bind the majority to a small selection of universal narratives. But it's like branding: same ol' product with a slew of different labels.

Because we are, in our millions, craving freedom and variation.

If there is a sort of collective consciousness surrounding this planet that is "intelligent", it is going to reflect the nature of man's thought process on the whole. Which is to say it will be chaotic. Sometimes sacred, other times sinister.

Dude, totally.

reply to post by Eidolon23


In any event I feel like our time is nearly up for this cycle. Its like GUT pointed out in his post about the Monsignor and Sitchin, we are ascending that same old stairway once again. Although this time we have reached a pretty great height.

Look at Hero of Alexandria. Hell, that guy invented a steam engine and robotics some 2,000 years ago. Someone or something squashed that crap then and there. Not to be rediscovered for millennia.

We have either broken the cycle, or are due for a reset any day now. I'm not sure if it is some sociological law we are unaware of, or outside force that causes this program to run over and over again, but we are nearly out of time. These mysteries need solved ASAP IMHO.

Double

JayinAR
reply to post by Eidolon23

 

I'm not so sure though. I mean, they don't seem too interested in what we are doing to the oceans. Things like massive oil spills could also crash the system.

The link to nuclear weapons is undeniable though. I think it points POSSIBLY to an extra dimensional link. Atomic weaponry may be felt throughout parallel realms for
what they do to the actual fabric of space itself. Dunno though, I'm just spitballing, as you say.

If it were as simple as protecting our ecosystem, I would think they would also be concerned with the fact all of our honeybees are dying off as well.

edit on 23-10-2013 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)

Post was written before your edit. Wasn't clear on your point.

edit on 23-10-2013 by JayinAR because: (no reason given)

Just arrived in this thread.
Nuclear blasts may be detected from IIel realms, only if they
distort time significantly, imo.

reply to post by Angelic Resurrection


I wonder how it would be perceived. A time slip?