Catholic Hatred. (Impossible Thread, Episode #2)

sad_eyed_lady
I know there has been much debate here about miracles and supernatural occurrences.

On short order I though about a situation that happened to me, I was driving down a road in my city at night, probably going the speed limit (40 mph) when without thought I hit the brakes for no apparent reason, then I see a cat run across the front of my car. It puzzled me how that happened. Now, I see why. It was the gift of counsel.

Just thought I would share this and wonder if others remember anything similar in their past that would be "counsel."

You wouldn't call it a, major miracle, but it was supernatural IMHO. It happened and now I understand why.

You think a god intervened to save a cats life while leaving over a million people worldwide to die in traffic related incidents?? (33,000 a year in the US)

Must've been one very important cat....

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Merry Christmas, Prezbo!

I suspect that most participants in this thread are done with you, you may wish to find another thread to troll.

Prezbo369

sad_eyed_lady
I know there has been much debate here about miracles and supernatural occurrences.

On short order I though about a situation that happened to me, I was driving down a road in my city at night, probably going the speed limit (40 mph) when without thought I hit the brakes for no apparent reason, then I see a cat run across the front of my car. It puzzled me how that happened. Now, I see why. It was the gift of counsel.

Just thought I would share this and wonder if others remember anything similar in their past that would be "counsel."

You wouldn't call it a, major miracle, but it was supernatural IMHO. It happened and now I understand why.

You think a god intervened to save a cats life while leaving over a million people worldwide to die in traffic related incidents?? (33,000 a year in the US)

Must've been one very important cat....

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My first cat, Jet, got run over by a car and seeing his mutilated body is a memory I still have 54 years later. God knows me and my soft heart. I consider this a blessing that spared me a lot of sadness. Yes, the cat got to live another day. I was given a mystery that I never understood until last night, one that I believe He meant for me to share here.

sad_eyed_lady
My first cat, Jet, got run over by a car and seeing his mutilated body is a memory I still have 54 years later. God knows me and my soft heart. I consider this a blessing that spared me a lot of sadness. Yes, the cat got to live another day. I was given a mystery that I never understood until last night, one that I believe He meant for me to share here.

Why would a god, a 'loving' god, intervene to save a cats life and to save you a little sadness, while hundreds of men, women and children are being killed right now as I type this? (or as you read this...)

Can't you imagine the sadness of those in the incidents, the families, friends? Isn't that infinitely more sad than the sadness you've have felt if you had hit that cat?

Wouldn't you agree that what you're proposing is more than a little narcissistic?

adjensen
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Merry Christmas, Prezbo!

I suspect that most participants in this thread are done with you, you may wish to find another thread to troll.

Most but not all hey?

Happy Holidays adjensen

Prezbo369

sad_eyed_lady
My first cat, Jet, got run over by a car and seeing his mutilated body is a memory I still have 54 years later. God knows me and my soft heart. I consider this a blessing that spared me a lot of sadness. Yes, the cat got to live another day. I was given a mystery that I never understood until last night, one that I believe He meant for me to share here.

Why would a god, a 'loving' god, intervene to save a cats life and to save you a little sadness, while hundreds of men, women and children are being killed right now as I type this? (or as you read this...)

Can't you imagine the sadness of those in the incidents, the families, friends? Isn't that infinitely more sad than the sadness you've have felt if you had hit that cat?

Wouldn't you agree that what you're proposing is more than a little narcissistic?

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I was given a mystery that I never understood until last night, one that I believe He meant for me to share here.

Call it what you will. I didn't get a Masters in Social Work because of the big bucks. Thanks for passing judgement on me. I guess that is easy for caring people like you to criticize others for their beliefs. You must be having a grand time playing "lets try to rile the Christians." It makes me sad for you.

Merry Christmas to you.

SadEyedLady,

What upset me most was your comment that the State is God. Perhaps I totally misunderstood how you felt about that idea, but I do not like it. When the State attempts to become God and there is a suppression of religious freedom we lose a great liberty.

Ahhh..ok...no problem here SadEyedLady. I too do not agree with GFW Hegel in his quote that "The State is God."
I merely quote him as a way of showing that one can turn to absolute power through organized religion or through what today I call Secular means.

Now I happen to believe that Secular means today is also an organized religion...Just not one in which most people would recognize as such.
I happen to believe that Secularism is organized after this world and the god of this world. It just tends towards not looking so...in this manner...organized to those not trained to spot it. But it is in fact a method of going back to "Absolute Power." Back to GFW Hegel. Or if you prefer..Lord Acton and his "Power corrupts absolute power corrupts absolutely...Great men are almost always bad men."

History is always thrown back at us. How much longer will we have to be judged on things of the past? Yes, there were popes long ago who were politically appointed and did very wrong things. Honestly, I don't see the Papacy as a Kingship. The Pope is a servant of God (or should be) if he is not.

SadEyedLady,
This is not just a Catholic issue...the corruption by power. History also records that it is also a Protestant issue.
For I know it was religious persecution which drove the Quakers here to America as they were being persecuted by the Church of England.
So too did the Lutherans persecute and kill people..even Jews in the days of Martin Luther. This is recorded in John Fox and his Book of Martyrs ..not just the Catholics but the Anglicans and Lutherans too. Not many people know of this history.

We tend historically and by unthinking ..not knowing ...to think and believe that a dictator is a bad thing. Not necessarily so.
A good dictator is one who takes all power unto himself..and then does not use it. What they do is also not allow anyone else to use it. In this manner the people must decide and act for themselves. They have now freedom and liberty and are responsible for their own fruits. Economic progress is now between themselves and their God. Not between themselves and their government. You see!!??

But this is not what one finds through most of History.

Queen Elizabeth 1st was basically a lazy monarch. Compared to her father Henry 8th...Elizabeth did not much ruling. As long as she had her parties/dances, lovers, and horses..she was not interested in doing much Ruling as was so with previous monarch's. As a result England prospered under Elizabeth's long reign. She was what today would be called a "Party Girl."
A lazy monarch..imagine that??!! When she died..Elizabeth was rather sorely missed...particularly compared to the chaos which was to occur in the 1600s in England...and again when they discoverd Gin.



For you see..SadEyedLady..I also know about a concept called
"Democide"

Here from Wiki..

en.wikipedia.org...

Down about two thirds of the way down this article R. J. Rummel states.

His research shows that the death toll from democide is far greater than the death toll from war. After studying over 8,000 reports of government-caused deaths, Rummel estimates that there have been 262 million victims of democide in the last century. According to his figures, six times as many people have died from the actions of people working for governments than have died in battle.

Notice what R. J. Rummel is stating ..that in the last 100 years more people have been killed and at a faster rate than in all the centuries before..and from their own governments..not in wars but in "Addition to wars."

This is the time of secular governments..the time of enlightenment and illumination..the time of men of logic and reason running things.

I know about the Inquisition and the Crusades and do not justify them nor think that they were for the reasons given in most history books.
I merely bring this out to contrast that secular man of education and enlightment is also not the product advertised and by this neither is todays leadership and politicians...not the product advertised.

You know all this stuff about the Muslims today complaining about the "Crusades" and how awful they were???

But how many people know that the Muslims and Islam were on the move into Europe in the late 600s and into the early 700 AD?? They were finally stopped by a man named Charles Martel...ie..Charles the Hammer at the Battle of Tours in France....732AD.
The city of Tours is still there today...some two thirds of the way up into France from the border with Spain. The Muslims went a long way up into France before they were stopped.
But almost no one I know is aware of this while attempting to make them feel guilty about the Crusades. I dont buy it about Islam and guilt programming. All you have to know is the history.

THe Muslims and Islam were on the move first..some 3 to 4 hundred years before the Crusades.

Their complaining is wolfie to me. I dont buy it.

Dont misunderstand me here. I do not approve of the Crusades..I just also do not approve of Islamic whining and guilt programming. The fault too..is also among our leadership for not teaching us this history . It ought not to be so. We have been conned even by our own leadership.

You can find this information about the Battle of Tours on the web

en.wikipedia.org...

This..SadEyedLady is why you often see me speak of History and what it means...combined with what we know from the Word..for this too is also History..His Story.

Many things today when we research them are not the product advertised.

Well..this is rather lengthy and I tend towards being somewhat long winded..but I hope you can see from whence I am coming.

Thanks for your post,
Orangetom

Prezbo369

Why would a god, a 'loving' god, intervene to save a cats life and to save you a little sadness, while hundreds of men, women and children are being killed right now as I type this? (or as you read this...)

Can't you imagine the sadness of those in the incidents, the families, friends? Isn't that infinitely more sad than the sadness you've have felt if you had hit that cat?

Wouldn't you agree that what you're proposing is more than a little narcissistic?

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I think that you are being a bit narcissistic here while tending towards putting this onus off on others.

The doctrine of which I know is that God is authoritian and Sovereign..not at our beck and call..at our belief systems.

You seem to be using as a starting point that we are all good people and therefore by default deserve good things. So therefore why would a good god have bad things happen to good people.

I dont buy into this type of thinking.

I happen to think that we are all bad people...from the beginning...having done no good or evil..before we were born.

I also think that no amount of education can change this. What I pointed out to SadEyedLady about Democide it a prime example of this ..that we do not deserve good things...particularly under Educated, Enlightened, Illuminated men of Education/Learning.

What happens historically when you have such men of learning in positions of power is that they become corrupted...fallen.
They historically create Hell here on earth..and history is replete with this evidence.

In only a handful of nations in recorded history have men ever been able to break away from hell here on earth and rise above the basic subsistance level ..economically. These nations often did not last that long as the powers of this world and their hidden religion sought to bring them back to hell and damnation here on this earth.

This is interesting to me because it is recorded that Oliver Cromwell, after putting the Kings head on the block in 1649, tried a Parliment of all ministers/preachers ..thinking he could get all good men to serve in offices of power. Not so...for they did as bad if not worse than the non ministers/preachers and he dismissed them as well.

You see..here in America the Founders figured it out...they began from the assumption that they would get bad men in office and write a government which would limit their badness..limited government. They were realists. And they knew enough to try to separate church from state..because of the history that they knew. But they also knew about the history of the corruption of power among men.

Your position starts from Im ok..your ok...I am good people therefore I deserve good things. This is not God's position from His Word.

Thanks,
Orangetom

orangetom1999

I think that you are being a bit narcissistic here while tending towards putting this onus off on others.

I don't think word means what you think it means.

The doctrine of which I know is that God is authoritian and Sovereign..not at our beck and call..at our belief systems.

You seem to be using as a starting point that we are all good people and therefore by default deserve good things. So therefore why would a good god have bad things happen to good people.

I dont buy into this type of thinking.

I happen to think that we are all bad people...from the beginning...having done no good or evil..before we were born.

........you seem to making the argument that everyone that is hurt, mutilated or killed in traffic accidents, even children and babies..........deserves it? whereas SadEyedLady's feelings get a free pass???

Any excuse for a rant tho eh?

Thanks,
Orangetom

lol

at least you've gotten your priorities straight...

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Thank you for the intelligent, thoughtful post and yes, I agree that those who don't know history are bound to repeat it.

I see the real danger that "absolute power corrupts absolutely". but I don't see this as a blanket truth.Through out history there were good leaders/rulers who had compassion and love for their charge. Some even became Catholic saints.

Mahatma Gandhi was an awesome individual. Perhaps if he have seen Mother Teresa of Calcutta in action he may have not said this about Christians “If I had ever met one, I would have become one.”
Matthew Kelly -An Authentic Life

To mindlessly accept everything you are taught is very dangerous. As my son recently told me that if there was anything he learned from his Catholic education, it would be that.

Guess I'm the one rambling now.

Thank you for participating in this thread.

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A psychologist I worked with once told me that what we criticize in others Is what we don’t like In ourselves.

When we criticize others for whatever, those are the things that gripe us about ourselves. Once you learn this and observe others criticizing someone what you see is them nakedly exposing the qualities in themselves they can not stand.

SadEyedLady,

I'm going to tell you something about England for which is not taught to most people through public school education.

I did not myself learn it until late in life and was dumbfounded when first I heard it but at the same time I knew immediately it was true.

It took someone capable of connecting the dots to show me what was right there all along in front of me.

There are two types of colonies in English history. There are Commonwealths such as Canada, USA, and Australia. And then there existed Crown Colonies. Bermuda, Bahamas, India, China...etc.

In CommonWealths English law and English protections existed for the people.

In Crown Colonies English Law did not extend to the people. For in Crown Colonies the Merchants were the law and they could make or break any law which facillitated commerce.
The Opium Trade was a Crown Colony trade and monopoly.
THe people in these Crown Colonies did not have the protection of English Common Law.

This is why the difference in treatment of the people in places like India and China and why Gandhi came about.
But this distinction of The Crown verses Commonwealths is never made to people today when reading history books. We think they are all British because the Soldiers and Sailors get up and march..drink tea etc. Not so.

The business of the Crown and these merchants is hidden...secret...occult. And they are still here today working their confusion and monopolizing markets at the expense of other nations..and when they get in a bind and the English Army and Navy cannot cover heir liabilities..they get other nations to form coalitions to help them out.

T.F Lawrence was a Crown agent. There is a photograph of T.F Lawrence sitting on a camel next to another Crown Agent Winston Churchill.

I could see this hidden hand working in the early 1990s when we went in to protect Crown Oil Contracts in Kuwait in the Gulf War 1. Same thing in the Falklands Island war in the 1980s.
All is not as it appears on the surface.

Presidents are known to bow to the Crown's will and beckoning.
The Elder Bush did so when meeting Margret Thatcher..also a Crown Agent...at the Aspen Institute. Elder Bush was not going to do anything about Iraq invading Kuwait until Maggie Thatcher came over to give him his marching orders that day. Bush went into that meeting a dove and came out a hawk.
America is a boot lacky for the Crown's interests around the world. We do their bidding in the wars.

The reason I know this is the olde ancient dictum of wars..."The Victors Get the Spoils." But we bring back no new richs..no new territories yet get involved in all these wars..all over the world.

Obviously we are fighting someone else's wars..for their profits..not ours.

Remember when people were saying we should get all that Iraq oil...didnt happen..did it?? If anything the price of gasoline increased..did it not. We obviously lost that war as we did in Vietnam. No accidental..but deliberately planned. We fought for someone else's goals and objectives. To keep that oil off the market and in storage...at the same time keeping competitors out.
The very same thing which happened in Vietman. The oil was kept off the market and competitors out. Communists are perfect for keeping competitors out and at the same time insuring no progress takes place economically.

So too it is with radical muslims governments. Competitors stay out and the resources in the ground not used. No progress will take place. Hence the nations are in a contition of storage.
The radical muslims are replacing the communists today with the same economic results.

Not all is as it seems.

So too with Crown Colonies verses Commonwealths. The resources can be monopolized while no progress takes place among the people. This insured a Gandhi..or if not him it would have been someone else.


Hope this helps,

Orangetom

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........you seem to making the argument that everyone that is hurt, mutilated or killed in traffic accidents, even children and babies..........deserves it? whereas SadEyedLady's feelings get a free pass???

Any excuse for a rant tho eh?

I didn't say this..you did. I said we are not good people...and God does not automatically give us good things because we deserve it.

I also did not say SadEyedLady gets a free pass. You did.
What is with SadEyedLady and her pets is her business. She is not accountable for what happens in the world nor to everyone out here. She is driving her bus and is not automatically by default accountable to yours or my thinking/beliefs.

Now..to clear this up..on my personal level..I think alot more of some animals of the four legged variety than do I of the two legged variety. It is my way and I dont account to anyone for this as long as I am driving my own bus. It is that simple.

I do not care for social default settings or one size fits all. I will make up my own mind. Same with guilt programming so popular today. It does not work on me. I've seen to much of it.

You see Prezbo369 I get this same pattern of misdirection in the gay type posts when I say or declare that people are so much more than sexuality and sexual orientation and that people who define themselves by their sexuality are plain old dumb.

For people are so much more than sexuality and sexual orientation.

But very few people seem to understand the distinction while trying to put onus off on others.

Same with your post. You are going to put the onus off on God as if we deserve good things. I dont think so. But No problem.
I can deal with it.

Whenever I detect someone going down that road such as you and others are want to do...I ask myself what television and movie world they are living in???

As you can see ..I dont live in this type of world. I am of the Salt of the Earth..not the sugar.
History itself paints a very different picture than what you are want to post.

Thanks to all for their posts,
Orangetom

sad_eyed_lady
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A psychologist I worked with once told me that what we criticize in others Is what we don’t like In ourselves.

When we criticize others for whatever, those are the things that gripe us about ourselves. Once you learn this and observe others criticizing someone what you see is them nakedly exposing the qualities in themselves they can not stand.

Sounds like your psychologist friend doesn't like to receive criticism and is just making up an excuse.

You made claims and I called you on them. You make a very silly comment and I called you on that too. And instead of backing you claims up with at the very least a rational and logical explanation, you first play the christian victim card then you attempt to tell me that no criticism is valid due to projection? (the term im sure a psychologist would use)

You know you could just answer the questions, you don't need to play out these evasive techniques...

orangetom1999

I didn't say this..you did. I said we are not good people...and God does not automatically give us good things because we deserve it.

I also did not say SadEyedLady gets a free pass. You did.
What is with SadEyedLady and her pets is her business. She is not accountable for what happens in the world nor to everyone out here. She is driving her bus and is not automatically by default accountable to yours or my thinking/beliefs.

If you remember....you replied to a reply I made to SadEyedLady that was specifically regarding her claims of supernatural intervention. And in your reply you went on a tirade about how you think everyone is by default a 'bad' person, and as such don't deserve any kind of supernatural help...

The only way your reply made any sense was if you were referring to the exchange between SadEyedLady and myself.

Now..to clear this up..on my personal level..I think alot more of some animals of the four legged variety than do I of the two legged variety. It is my way and I dont account to anyone for this as long as I am driving my own bus. It is that simple.

I do not care for social default settings or one size fits all. I will make up my own mind. Same with guilt programming so popular today. It does not work on me. I've seen to much of it.

You see Prezbo369 I get this same pattern of misdirection in the gay type posts when I say or declare that people are so much more than sexuality and sexual orientation and that people who define themselves by their sexuality are plain old dumb.

For people are so much more than sexuality and sexual orientation.

But very few people seem to understand the distinction while trying to put onus off on others.

Same with your post. You are going to put the onus off on God as if we deserve good things. I dont think so. But No problem.
I can deal with it.

I said no such thing, however I did ask SadEyedLady why she thought she deserved this special treatment when so many perish on a constant and horrific basis.

Whenever I detect someone going down that road such as you and others are want to do...I ask myself what television and movie world they are living in???

As you can see ..I dont live in this type of world. I am of the Salt of the Earth..not the sugar.
History itself paints a very different picture than what you are want to post.

Anyone that has to declare "I am of the Salt of the Earth"...........is anything but....

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I have no idea what question you are referring to.

Why it matters, I don't know. Why should you want to hear what a delusional and or liar (how you described Christians) has to say is beyond me, except an attempt to play more lets rile the Christians.

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Thanks for the history lesson, Tom. It make sense and I believe it, I just have a question about your Gandhi comment. Sounds like you are saying he was owned, or maybe a pawn in their game.

If so, do you think this is so for the Catholics as well? If you haven't noticed this Administration is not too fond of us. I read an article about a year ago. Obama's worst fear: Catholics strike back

I listened to a recorded talk given by one of our bishops entitled: "Today's persecution of the Church." He quoted another bishop who predicted: "I will die in my bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will be martyred." We are hearing these warnings from our Bishops who see the writing on the wall.

reply to post by Prezbo369


This this the question you asked?

I said no such thing, however I did ask SadEyedLady why she thought she deserved this special treatment when so many perish on a constant and horrific basis.

Jesus came to show us God has a human heart. He takes no joy in the suffering that people embrace.

This life is but a brief stop on the road to eternity. We are not promised happiness in this life.

Preferential treatment??? That is not how I saw it all at. Perhaps If you walked a mile in my shoes you would not have assumed this.

When you dwell in the negative you attract the negative.

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Prezbo369,

Why would a god, a 'loving' god, intervene to save a cats life and to save you a little sadness, while hundreds of men, women and children are being killed right now as I type this? (or as you read this...)

Can't you imagine the sadness of those in the incidents, the families, friends? Isn't that infinitely more sad than the sadness you've have felt if you had hit that cat?

Wouldn't you agree that what you're proposing is more than a little narcissistic?
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You are attempting to create a picture of substitution here...that what you believe and think is more worthy than SadEyedLady's sentiment for her pet. The two are not the same and not substitutable. But it is politic. You are also assuming that here SadEyedLady can be sad for all these people world wide. I think that is a bit politically/socially narcissistic on your part.
It comes across as does much of today guilt programming and censorship.

Anyone that has to declare "I am of the Salt of the Earth"...........is anything but....

No problem..I can deal with it.




SadEyedLady,

Thanks for the history lesson, Tom. It make sense and I believe it, I just have a question about your Gandhi comment. Sounds like you are saying he was owned, or maybe a pawn in their game.

If so, do you think this is so for the Catholics as well? If you haven't noticed this Administration is not too fond of us. I read an article about a year ago. Obama's worst fear: Catholics strike back

I listened to a recorded talk given by one of our bishops entitled: "Today's persecution of the Church." He quoted another bishop who predicted: "I will die in my bed, my successor will die in prison and his successor will be martyred." We are hearing these warnings from our Bishops who see the writing on the wall.

Excellent questions here and questions which concern me greatly. I will try my best to answer them from what knowledge is given to me.

As to Gandhi...no I do not believe he was owned by the British though they did not appreciate him and the trouble he brought to the Crown Colonies and British Merchant trade. And he brought them plenty.

What I was attempting to get across was that the very poor ability of the Crown to handle their colonies bred under these auspicies..a Gandhi or someone else. Particularly if you know how the British Crown Agents treated the people in thier colonies.

By the way ..when I say Crown..I do not mean the Crown or Throne of England..the King or Queen. I mean the Merchants..including the Bank of England and Lloyds the insurance agents. The world class merchants. This was a merchant class of soverigns who ran an international merchant ring around the world monopolizing trade and trade routes for profit. The opium trade was a Crown Monopoly before, into, and after WW2. This drug trade is still going on today.

The disasterous treatment of the people of these nations gauranteed a Gandhi or someone else...going all the way back to Clive of India and before.


SadEyedLady,
This administration is not particularly fond of Christians period and is looking to make an example of them as part of their causing division among Americans. This administration is pagan in its practices and religion no matter what they declare to the public. I have known this from the beginning by certain tell tale signs. This administration is not the only one..there have been such administrations before them. The difference is that this administration more than the others feels "Entitled" to be more open with what they are attempting to do.

I do not know how well versed you are in the Word but in Galatians Chapter 4 ..back about verse 30 it states this from the King James of 1611.

30 Nevertheless what saith the scripture? Cast out the bondwoman and her son: for the son of the bondwoman shall not be heir with the son of the freewoman.

What this administration is working towards is to be a tool in building a world in which the children of the bondwoman..Ishmael "Shall Be Heir" with the children of the freewoman..Issac.
This tells you the name of their god. For this is not what God declared.

To build a world of Ishmaelites..and not of Issac and his seed.

They want to get rid of the line of Issac...and replace it with Ishmaelites.

This is the struggle and what you see and fear about the Church..and you are correct in your concerns. For we are of the salt of the earth..not the sugar..not of Ishmael ..but of Issac and his seed.

This is part and parcel of "The Ever War" from the Garden of Eden unto today. It continues.

The Fallen are working very hard to gain entrance to and control of everything. To have dominion. Particularly over Christians.

I have over the years come under very good tutors and learned about Occult religions and their practices. As a result of this I am also familiar with certain traditions of men infiltrating into the churches and substituting what God has declared with these traditions. Very much as how the Ancient Hebrews themselves accepted Counterfeits in lieu of the Law of Moses.

The substitution of the doctrines of Ishmael for the line of Issac is just such a counterfeit and substitution. And it comes in many varieties in substitution..most of them are of confusion.
I believe you know this fingerprint better than most unless I have misunderstood you. I do not so think.
For I know the name of the author of Confusion. The god of Ishmael.

I hope and pray that you are able to follow what I am attempting to tell you here..to show you from the Word. For this is very serious business and your concerns here are very well founded.

I hope this helps you and some of the other readers out here who can see, hear, and understand.

In His name,
Orangetom

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Well Tom, I follow what you are saying very well. I wasn't expecting this was the direction you were heading, actually I left all options open.

I see what has happened in the UK and it ought to wake us up to their ability to control the society. I get your warning.

I agree that this President is Pagan. I think the Muslims are waking up to the fact he is not one of them as well. I don't think they like him much in the Middle East. Let me know what you think about that comment.

A relative of mine (Muslim) posted this story on his FB: Saudi organizations desecrate holy Quran

His comment about this is noteworthy.

I have shown on my timeline this regime shooting Qurans (and nobody batted an eye). Now they do this and I am sure none of you will even notice. This shows also that the "outrage" against the US's desecration of such Qurans is manufactured.

Are you familiar with Walid Shoebat and his warnings? I read his book "God's War on Terror: Islam, Prophecy and the Bible." I saw some of his videos on youtube. What do you think of his message if you are familiar with him?

This country is in big trouble any way you look at it. It is a stacked deck and time is running out. People sense what is going on that is why ammo sales have sky rocketed.

This is why it is important to pray for the conversion of our leaders. UN Agenda 21 is in the making.

l Ephesians 6:12 American Standard Version (ASV) 12 For our wrestling is not against flesh and blood, but against the principalities, against the powers, against the world-rulers of this darkness, against the spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places.

I am not worried, I know God is in control. Not saying it will be a cake walk.

So many people are clueless. They won't know what hit them.

Thank you for sharing your thoughts, you are on to something IMHO.

Fighting the good fight.