Underwater Military Bases

OccamsRazor04
They have someone cooking the food, not a "cook". How many 5 star restaurant chefs do you see saying they are a "cook"?

You never simplify your MOS description for civilians? Depending on the date, he might have said mess management or culinary specialist but what does that mean to Joe Sixpack?

I can't count the times I've said "part time radio guy" or "the explosives guy" or "the door kicker and axe man" instead of junior engineering sergeant. Yeah, I can also wire houses, lay pipe, run grading equipment and set up a terraced field with irrigation, but it's just confusing.

OccamsRazor04

Please find me the "cook" position from the list of positions they are hiring for.

In Navyspeak, that would be a CS-3527, a CS-3529 and a CS-3530. Technically the 29 doesn't prepare food, it's more of a coordination MOS.

Bedlam

OccamsRazor04
They have someone cooking the food, not a "cook". How many 5 star restaurant chefs do you see saying they are a "cook"?

You never simplify your MOS description for civilians? Depending on the date, he might have said mess management or culinary specialist but what does that mean to Joe Sixpack?

I can't count the times I've said "part time radio guy" or "the explosives guy" or "the door kicker and axe man" instead of junior engineering sergeant. Yeah, I can also wire houses, lay pipe, run grading equipment and set up a terraced field with irrigation, but it's just confusing.

It's possible, but if you are trying to come off as someone with knowledge and want to be believed are you telling someone you're a part time radio guy or a junior engineering sergeant? Most likely not the first.

Add that to the fact that the rest of the story is 100% illogical (my last post demonstrates why) and the whole package is simply not very believable.

RealSuperboy
reply to post by OccamsRazor04

 

It is the third title down. Check it out, dude. You must have overlooked it.

You mean on a non-official website that isn't listing the actual titles? One of us overlooked something .. it wasn't me. Bedlam already posted the official title(s). If you want to think the Navy has a position titled "cook" you are welcome to do so.

reply to post by OccamsRazor04

Well, hold on mr. army. no need to take it personal. I'm sure he cooks the food. So I will call him a cook.
Can you tell me the official name for a submarine cook? It is probably down the line of Nutrition Speciailist.


Sheesh. This isn't even the point of the thread. Carry-on.

OccamsRazor04
It's possible, but if you are trying to come off as someone with knowledge and want to be believed are you telling someone you're a part time radio guy or a junior engineering sergeant? Most likely not the first.

Add that to the fact that the rest of the story is 100% illogical (my last post demonstrates why) and the whole package is simply not very believable.

It depends. If I tell a couple of ATSers I was the door kicker and axe man, they know immediately what I'm talking about, it's a common description. If I was relaying a third party story from a friend who called himself the cook to me, I could see how it would happen - recall the OP doesn't claim to be the guy calling himself the cook. With my friends I likely wouldn't describe myself by the formal MOS, If one of them then passed it on, not being military, I could see how it would end up that way - they wouldn't know that "explosives guy" wasn't a formal title.

reply to post by SadistNocturne


This might sound incredibly retarded but, I have actually been to one of these underwater bases...in a dream.

It's only as a memory fragment but I have a good understanding on how common these bases are. They are like underwater caves and have a bottom entrance that subs can just literally doc at like any other port. The cave is big, filled with air and lights and the floor was a dark gray material with yellow and black warning strips along the sub's cut out water hole.

The sub I saw in this place was high tech, imagine a stealth bomber turned into a sub. I was told but some brass to assemble some motor thing, I had the feeling me and a group of guys were getting our bodies motor function abilities tested or something, so I was turning some lug nuts as fast and as precise as I could. That's it.

Sure it's just a crazy dream, but still. After that dream the idea of underwater bases was beyond obvious to me. I literally feel like I have been to one.

The Rat.

reply to post by Bedlam


I can see that and will concede the point. Although I find it also very unlikely they are friends and he never mentioned serving on a sub before. I have met more than a few sub guys, and barely knowing them they told me about it. Again, not definitive, but it's something that leaves my kin crawling. Your points still don't explain the rest of my criticism though.

The rest of the story is pretty unbelievable, including the switching of personnel while trying to maintain they were never docked because his security clearance was not high enough. Switching personnel would be a dead give away and would tell the "cook" exactly what happened, which would never be done. It's like telling someone they cant know what powers the ship because it's beyond their clearance level and then plastering blueprints everywhere with a room labeled "nuclear generator".

This might not sound like "evidence" or at least a hint to anyone un familular; but there is a video game "Call of Duty Black Operations 2" - which is created by people who are clearly 'In the Know' in regards to the military brancch, I refer to those who fund the game.

It is one of the top video games in north america, the best graphics, very heavily funded. Plus there is your typical subliminal symbolism.. Within Call of Duty, the creators of the game are obsessed with going back into early wars, and creating storylines based on the main characters.

When I was playing the game, there was a scene where the characters put on a scuba suit (navy seal style) and dive into the ocean, coming to a large underwater base. In the game, this base belonged to the Soviets, and was used for submarines and navy men..

Anyways this thread reminded me of it, here is the scene. Its not the best quality, the guy is obviously taping his crappy TV, the underwater scene is about 1-2 minutes into. The main character then swims into the entrance point of the base and it goes form there.


As I said these guys who fund and create this game are obviously In the Know. And want these games created a specific way, with a specific storyline.. The Call of Duty games that are based on modern warfare; they always show off their new military technology - everything from rockets, machine guns, rocket launchers, vehicles, bases, even cloack technology. The graphics in the game are pretty outstanding, though the game is just a "run 'n' gun" ..

OccamsRazor04
reply to post by Bedlam

 

I can see that and will concede the point. Although I find it also very unlikely they are friends and he never mentioned serving on a sub before. I have met more than a few sub guys, and barely knowing them they told me about it. Again, not definitive, but it's something that leaves my kin crawling.

No, you're right there, I've never known a bubblehead that didn't want to tell you about it right off the bat.

Your points still don't explain the rest of my criticism though.

The rest of the story is pretty unbelievable, including the switching of personnel while trying to maintain they were never docked because his security clearance was not high enough.

When they give people "a ride" it's hard to cover up that they surfaced and you are not there anymore, although I think it's likely pretty clear to everyone you're not Navy and you got dumped off somewhere. But everyone seemed to know what was about to happen even if they didn't know the details, so I'm not sure there was any pretense involved.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not sure how you'd pull off an underwater dock. I can't say it's totally implausible, although I'm having a tough time envisioning it. Maybe you could do it on a wall. But how would you cover up the construction?

reply to post by Bedlam


The logistics would be impressive, not to say it couldn't be done, but if it was done, and there was someone you didn't want to know about it, you would not put them on a sub docking there. You would choose a "cook" with high enough clearance to know, since it's impossible to not know. Not to mention the crew that left would not be the one returning which would raise quite a few eyebrows as how the heck does that happen when they were in a sub with no possible way to change crew?

As far as having a passenger you dump off somewhere, there's no secret there. They don't know who they were, or mission details, or anything classified. The important parts are still hidden. Docking underwater the fact they are docking underwater is the secret. It can't be hidden. Everyone on board would now know classified information without the proper clearance. Exactly whey they would never have anyone onboard that didn't have the clearance.

Everything about this story just screams concoction to me.

f4andHALFtoads
reply to post by Sacri

 

Someone said something about Afganistan, now I cannot find it...

But the mention of Afganistan (by someone, not necessarily you) and the idea that underwater bases could be linked with subterranian tunnels, brings me to raise this point:

From a military perspective, the Himalayas are awesome fortification, especialy if you can dig tunnels. I think that tunnel digging is easy and that extensive tunnel systems are a fair logistical possibility/reality. I would therefore propose that if one wanted to get ones machinery into the Himalayas, one might choose the steppes of Afganistan to do it...

Off topic I know!

Himalaya are seismically active. Any tunnels have to be significantly higher than MSL. As you go deeper, it gets hot.

However mountainside tunnels are great for hiding stuff like ammunition, even aircraft. The problem though is maintenance. The mountains are weak and landslides are common.

reply to post by Bedlam


I know for sure that rescue submersibles can dock with submarines. These are used for bringing up crew if a submarine is struck.

A small number of crew can be exchanged while sub is underwater using a docking submersible.

It is a fact that submarines have been used in tapping undersea communication cables. In such an operation, it is likely that sub needs anchoring.

A nuclear sub is ideal for things like laying listening devices on sea floor or tapping communication cables.

Sacri
A rather interesting read OP. I have always wondered why people working on subs need a TS clearance, its the same here in Australia, as far as I am concerned.



To the poster who said he would have had to return to the kitchen, I don't believe that he would have to work all day. I know the cooks we had with us In Afghanistan worked three different time slots, and in between meals could do as they please.


I like to the alien side of this conspiracy, as reports of UFOS flying out of the ocean can be found. Imagine the possibilities, and we are working with them deep underwater.

The Mind boggles when you expand it and imagine all the different angles to this story being true

Namaste

~sacri~

Well, what the user said when he said that my friend would have returned to the kitchen...I just overlooked his statement. It struck me as someone was intentionally looking to "debunk" something so miniscule for the mere sake of "debunking".

What I forgot to spell out was that he never made it out of the kitchen, as his buddy stopped him before he got out and directed him to look at the depth gauge...

But hey, debunk away...I'm sure there are a trillion other "holes" that can be "found out" and "plugged"...yepp, I'm sure there are



- SN

f4andHALFtoads
reply to post by Sacri

 

Someone said something about Afganistan, now I cannot find it...

But the mention of Afganistan (by someone, not necessarily you) and the idea that underwater bases could be linked with subterranian tunnels, brings me to raise this point:

From a military perspective, the Himalayas are awesome fortification, especialy if you can dig tunnels. I think that tunnel digging is easy and that extensive tunnel systems are a fair logistical possibility/reality. I would therefore propose that if one wanted to get ones machinery into the Himalayas, one might choose the steppes of Afganistan to do it...

Off topic I know!

Actually, I think it is 100% on topic...underground / underwater...same thing, pretty much IMHO...and it only makes sense one would connect the two, both figuratively and literally speaking...


- SN

AnalystAnon

SadistNocturne


My friend went on to tell me that he thinks there is a high chance we have underwater military bases, and that he was part of a team at that time to perform staff rotation on one particular underwater military base.

I just thought this was rather interesting. I'd always heard about D.U.M.B's, but never underwater military bases.


- SN

not to read too much into your post, however how can your friend "think" there is a high chance we have underwater bases when you go on to say that he was part of a team to perform staff rotation on one?. not devalidating your claim I'm just pointing out that contradictory point. It is if like I said I killed bigfoot and that I "think" there is a high chance that bigfoot exists. That is all.

I said "he thinks there are underwater bases and he thinks he was part of a crew rotation schedule to said base..ferrying staff to and from".

How in the hell is that contradictory ?


- SN

OccamsRazor04
reply to post by SadistNocturne

 

Subs don't have "cooks". If he can't get that right why would anyone believe the rest?

Umm, yeah. Ok. Subs don't have cooks. That's a knee slapper.

- SN

SadistNocturne

OccamsRazor04
reply to post by SadistNocturne

 

Subs don't have "cooks". If he can't get that right why would anyone believe the rest?

Umm, yeah. Ok. Subs don't have cooks. That's a knee slapper.

- SN

They don't. It's already been proven in this thread. Is the Executive Chef at a 5 star restaurant the "cook"? No. Cook is not a position on a sub.

I already conceded it's possible he called himself that, and detailed a slew of problems with your post that make it completely unbelievable. Funny how you didn't touch those.

Bedlam

OccamsRazor04
reply to post by SadistNocturne

 

Subs don't have "cooks". If he can't get that right why would anyone believe the rest?

Well, they DO, even if technically they were mess management specialists and are now culinary specialists.

Well, Mr. INEEDTOKNOWALLTHEDETAILSSPECIFICALLYORITSBUNK....

They never told me their rank or title as I never asked. Quite honestly, as they said he was a "cook", I kind of figured they didn't rank that high in the first place.

Given that, I've learned from my experience in the DC area (25 yrs) that you simply don't push...especially when folks are volunteering info.

Also, what does it really FRAKKING matter ? I mean, come on. I could say that I am a Database Developer specializing in the Financials side of PeopleSoft. Do you actually have any frakking clue as to what that is?

I'll wager $100 you don't, particularly without googling it.

So no, I don't tell people that. I tell them I am a computer programmer. Even then their eyes glaze over.

So go on, have fun "debunking". It's a pointless effort. After all, I said this was a "story" related to me by someone that I am not divulging any additional details to. I merely asked if anyone had any interesting tidbits to add to the story.


Good luck in your debunking. I hope it works for you.


- SN

OccamsRazor04

Bedlam

OccamsRazor04
reply to post by SadistNocturne

 

Subs don't have "cooks". If he can't get that right why would anyone believe the rest?

Well, they DO, even if technically they were mess management specialists and are now culinary specialists.

They have someone cooking the food, not a "cook". How many 5 star restaurant chefs do you see saying they are a "cook"?

It's not a flattering term, and typically the "cook" on the sub has other duties as well. Anyone serving on a submarine would know that. Anyone who is making crap up wouldn't and may think cook sounds right.

As someone who spent much of his earlier life working in restaurants, most "cooks" who throw a title such as "sous-chef" or "executive-chef" are typically jackasses....IMHO....


- SN