Why we SHOULD demand military action on Syria

So from reading through this it seems WE the people should DEMAND military action, to get the truth. I don't know the last time you checked, but the US military, nor any other military works for finding the truth. The military is JUST that, a MILITARY, a machine of WAR. You say we should DEMAND military action...that translates to nothing other than MILITARY action...ie destruction for a proclaimed "purpose". You want MILITARY action so we can so we can find the answers? That's simply just NOT how a military works.

Currently what you are calling for (from what i can make of some of the senseless posts, no offense) is you want to see the truth here, and want the responsible party held accountable. I agree with ya there. Now, who will be this group? You seem to disagree with congress, the US government, the UN, and hell basically every world wide "group" looking into this. So should EVERY single person in the world tour Syria and find the evidence themselves? The UN in currently investigating, and what if the conclusions they determine come to no conclusion? To we just simply say well hey must be Assad, so lets go get him. What if the next day evidence comes out the rebels broke into a CW factory, stole CW's, and perpetrated the act themselves?

You also suggested sending in robots/rovers to check and investigate...you do realize they are not indestructible right? So one gets a lil to close, or hell even just lands and starts moving, and a faction of either Assad's regime OR the rebels decide thats just not gonna happen so they destroy it. Then what send another? You realize those things are QUITE expensive, and how many would it take destroyed until we realize it's not gonna work.

To conclude you are saying we should DEMAND MILITARY action, yet I don't think you understand the scope of "military" action, more innocent people will be murdered with military action. That is ALWAYS and inevitable. Do you condemn innocent people killed in the name of pursuing justice as long as its done conventionally rather than with a WMD? You also have seemed to spend the entire day here defending your post. What have YOU done today to pursue your beliefs, other than reply to posts?

Originally posted by mikegrouchy

Originally posted by darkbake
Okay, well I agree with you about dealing with the chemical warfare problem completely, I think it is totally asinine to stand by and not care while "other people" who "aren't you" are being hurt (the main problem with today's America is that pretty much everyone is an asshole).

Thank you.

lol an asshole you say please! no child should ever be gassed to death the thought of a poor child being subjected to something like this is pissing everyone off but when you are talking about WW3 and the deaths of countless children,adults and elderly its better to not poke the bear and let the sleeping dog lie! That doesnt mean their deaths mean nothing but betting on the house when its staking the cards isn't smart waiting till you have UN backing and the international community behind us is a smart move. Russia will not try and stop us when england and every other country is biting to hurt the people responsible for these crimes.

This is for you.

Mike

Well alqaida do have 2 more sarín gas rockets left to use so maybe we should attack syria and kill lots more people because if we dont then obama's puppeteers will order alqaida to use the other 2 rockets somewhere else and blame syria again so we may as well attack now rather than later

what do you think ?

either your iq is very low?or you are insane.And I believe the chemical weapons were used by the rebels,especially when over 2/3 of the world know the rebels used them.
all one can do really is shake their head in wonder at your post.In the first place it is none of our business,were not the police of the world nor should we be.so let history see that!

The "wake up call" by the OP is filled with so much naïveté,
that it´s sickening.

I will enjoy watching "the call" die away with a whimper.

People become aware, then what?

Nothing.

Not without a catalyst.

What is the catalyst?

The same one that it has ALWAYS been; BLOOD.

When the streets are red things are happening.

ATS Thread - Syria - it all comes down to religion and oil
I suggest that those who want military action in Syria should read this thread.
NO WAY should we be going into Syria.

reply to post by LionOfGOD

The "wake up call" by the OP is filled with so much naivete, that it´s sickening.

AND

reply to post by dellmonty

either your iq is very low?or you are insane.

I have just read the last two posts on this page and there is no need for it. This is one of my pet hates on ATS right now; assuming the OP is stupid because you dont agree with him/her

I personally disagree strongly with any notion that we should "demand that we act in Syria" but I can respect and understand why some may support direct military intervention. At the same time i can argue my point and challenge the OP with out calling him, "Insane" or naive.

I think rather your comments actually demonstrate that its you guys who might have the low IQ and and suffering a little bit of naivete because you clearly cant come up with any decent counter argument to the OP with out resorting to silly insults

reply to post by OtherSideOfTheCoin


The pot calling kettle black,
you are mistaken if you think my post was meant as an insult towards the OP,
my attack was towards the "the wake up" thingy.
Being naive can often be considered a VIRTUE, an outlook that cynics like myself have lost.
So i suggest you take a LONG look in the mirror before you mention other people´s IQ
and THINK if it´s actually something that YOU should be talking about.

There's an old saying here that applies, I think, that being that the road to hell is paved with good intentions. In theory, I might agree with you that we have a humanitarian obligation to stop such acts from happening. In reality, though, Iraq and Afghanistan should have taught us that for all that good intentions are worth, the people running the show are going to turn it into a cluster****. Its not worth the direct risk to our military personnel for an issue which does not immediately impact our national security or when you consider that the world opinion of such intervention will be that we are yet again meddling in affairs that do not concern us and it will generate even more mistrust.

In short, we should do exactly what the international community has been arguing for years. We should butt the hell out and mind our own business for a change.

Obama (his brother Malek is the head of the financial aspect of the most primitive brutal murdering sharia loving MB, ie. he is the head of the brotherhood!) IS THE CAUSE OF IT. AND THE CIA/MOSSAD, its their brutal actions.

And they don't get to win and topple that moderate country.

Darth Vader is getting nailed in the nards and booted out of this galaxy. PERIOD!\

For the Equality, Freedom, AND THE PEOPLE.

Obama, listen up buddy. We sill not allow it and Heaven will not allow it. You guys go the corner and shave your heads and repent big time buddy. PERIOD!!!!!!

reply to post by Starwise


Why did I have to get to the bottom of the first page before finding ANYONE mention that possibly the Syrian government was not responsible?

Forget whether the US should be policing the world (It should not in my opinion), forget whether the US has any business making a strike to 'rap' the Syrian Presidents knuckles for the unproven use of chemical weapons - a rap that will probably kill hundreds or thousands of civilians.

NO conclusive proof has been produced yet, and until such proof is available neither the US, the French the UK or anyone else has ANY business interfering. The MSM may have made up their minds that Assad is guilty, but the MSM should not be in charge of the direction of US or any other troops, yet it appears they are.

reply to post by mikegrouchy


its a trick Mr Grouchy..

history will look back and see America

as an Empire bent on conquering the world

who stripped its citizens of their rights..

EPIC FAIL !!

100 Other things you should be demanding before another Country even gets on your list of things to do.

C..

Demanding US military to get its boots in Damascus and extract the truth behind this gassing incident and deliver it to public is like demanding ______ to ________.


Demanding US military to get its boots in Damascus and extract the truth behind this gassing incident and deliver it to public is like demanding NSA to not to spy on their girlfriends on with 100billion dollar spy satellite network.

You do not attack another country unilaterally without the authorization of the U.N. This is to prevent one man from bombing other nations and going around bombing people when he feels like it.

This whole thing has been overstated from the beginning, there is all sorts of ambiguity stating that any decision to bomb civilians with chemical weapons was authorized by the Syrian high command or it's leadership.

Secondly, there is no proof that it even was a chemical attack. If it was a chemical attack any residue on people and in the area would be deadly for anyone coming into contact with the victims. This did not happen.

In the end, to say "there is undeniable proof the Syrian government used chemical weapons on it's own people," is simply not true.

And if we are to throw out all the evidence, and say they did do these things, is it really enough of a threat to national security to feed our babies to it?

I think Americans should demand justice ,independence and law...They should also demand for a better economy and better standards of living...They should demand their government to mind their own business and try to for example balance the budget or get rid of at least some of the national debt instead of endless interference in different nation's affairs,specially in this very fragile times...they can also demand bankers and corporations to not to be as greedy,vicious and careless with their resources and their hardly earned legacy....After all they are gambling with your chips at your casino in your hometown....But there are still some who demand for more wars and more blood ,and I am not sure how that will help to solve the real problems that need immediate attention.... or maybe it will,,I don't really know anymore.

The USA is 237 years old as a nation.
It has been at war with someone, for all but 21of those years.
Wwwhhhyyyyy do you think so many other countries hate us so much.
We are war mongers. Why, are government are war PROFITEERS.
Have you even looked at the stats for suicide murder and spousal abuse for or Afghan and Iraqi vets?How many of them are forgotten amputees, who are deaf and alcoholics ?
You want us to do this, you and your whole family go. Leave our soldiers alone for once.
It's pathetic at the point

www.upworthy.com...

Are you guys done with your parade of failures
or does someone else wish to be an authority on what can't be done?

In one hundred years,
no one is going to come here and cite a single one of the negative posts,

It will only be known that
when it really mattered,
you failed to demand action.

That the discussion was full of criticism
and an overwhelming lack of useful solutions.


Mike

reply to post by mikegrouchy


The solution is simple, you just don't want it....instead you want to keep playing the war drums...And to be honest I do not know why.

Originally posted by mikegrouchy
That the discussion was full of criticism
and an overwhelming lack of useful solutions.

Mike

edit on 1-9-2013 by mikegrouchy because: (no reason given)

that covers your contributions but doesn't quite touch on the replies to your OP I still fail to grasp how interceding in another countries civil war will do a damned thing for us in the US. You keep beating the same dead horse about getting in there to test samples to see who made the CW's yet fail to grasp that a UN team has already collected samples which are being analyzed across Europe as I type this. Why not just wait until we have the results from several independent labs and then make a prudent decision on involvement based on ALL the facts. You don't invade another country to get the facts to support your invasion. it's absolutely insane.