Evolution Vs. God

Originally posted by ServantOfTheLamb
Macro-evolution has never been observed, remember evolution is a "historical science"

BS

Observed Evolutionary Events

An excellent example of evolution in action is a 14-year experiment done with Anolis lizards.(Losos et al, 1997) A single species of Anolis lizards was spread across 14 Caribbean islands none of which had any previous lizard populations. Over the time of the experiment, the lizards each adapted to their respective environments. Several new species of lizards evolved. The lizards each changed body shape in response to the flora in their environment. In fact, scientists were able to predict exactly how each lizard population would evolve before seeing the results.

Man... it's like talking to brick walls. Hard to believe that anyone could be so....

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


You want evidence for macroevolution, correct? Here, have some macroevolution:

www.talkorigins.org...

evolutionlist.blogspot.com...

They are blogs, yes. But I think it's a fairly simple matter to verify their claims and their evidence. You wanted it, you got it. You seriously need to learn some Google.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity


Your side has never proved macro evolution.

Again... BS. See above.

You are incapabable of rational, critical thought.

Have a nice life.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Why only let them teach Christian creationism?

What about Hindu creationism? Or Patsafarian creationism? What about pagan creationism? What about Upanishad creationism? What about Greek mythological creationism? What about Native American creationism?

Your ignorance is an embarrassment to the whole human race.

Originally posted by Blarneystoner
When do the mods step in? This thread is clearly an attempt at proselytization rather than a science discussion.

Another thread started by a god worshiper to attack science and then complain when god gets it back, going on all the time at the moment.

In regards to macroevolution please read this --- www.talkorigins.org...

Oh my Evolution! When will it end? Why the need to convert each other?

What's the psychological explanation of this?

Freud would say sex. Yes that's what this is about. This is pure masturbation of the ego.
The one trying to protect it's genitalia the other wanting to prove it's genitalia is bigger, and vice versa.

Well it made me laugh so thanks for that.

Originally posted by ForbiddenDesire
Oh my Evolution! When will it end? Why the need to convert each other?

What's the psychological explanation of this?

Freud would say sex. Yes that's what this is about. This is pure masturbation of the ego.
The one trying to protect it's genitalia the other wanting to prove it's genitalia is bigger, and vice versa.

Well it made me laugh so thanks for that.

..why the need to convince (convert)? because they want to teach their dogma in schools as an alternative theory... that's why. Evolutionary theory is not a religion, Creationism is. You don't think it's important? Then go back to eating your Cheetoes and watching the Mylie Cyrus videos.


And you can keep your snide BS remarks to yourself.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

What do you base your ideals of right vs. wrong on if we were just animals and there is no God? Is rape ok? Should we stop someone from murdering people? Where do you get the right to tell another animal what is right or wrong in survival of the fittest, natural selection and evolution? I'd love to hear your answers on this.

You don't need theism to have morals. If you can't determine right from wrong, you lack empathy. Nothing to do with theism or religion at all.

Originally posted by iterationzero
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

What do you base your ideals of right vs. wrong on if we were just animals and there is no God? Is rape ok? Should we stop someone from murdering people? Where do you get the right to tell another animal what is right or wrong in survival of the fittest, natural selection and evolution? I'd love to hear your answers on this.

You don't need theism to have morals. If you can't determine right from wrong, you lack empathy. Nothing to do with theism or religion at all.

And yet, what do you base those morals on because some would say you have no right to tell them how to live. I believe we are seeing the fruit of this Godless society in regular news stories. I really do want to know how you know something is right or wrong. Hitler made an entire country believe killing people was perfectly ok and for the good of the whole.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

What do you base your ideals of right vs. wrong on if we were just animals and there is no God? Is rape ok? Should we stop someone from murdering people? Where do you get the right to tell another animal what is right or wrong in survival of the fittest, natural selection and evolution?

If you need your Bible to develop a morale and a sense for "what is wrong and what is right"..then I feel very, very sorry for you as human being.

If your criterion to stop someone from murdering is "from the Bible" plus WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN TAUGHT by Paster Noster or Father John...and not from yourself, from a genuinely developed morality from within yourself (not from "teachings")..then I feel also sorry for you. Obviously, your Bible/priest then must serve the function to fill a void or a deficiency (because WITHOUT them you would probably not have a sense of "wrong or right"

reply to post by NoRulesAllowed


I think we intrinsically know right and wrong because of the thing called conscience put there by God, but our society has been told over and over that no one has a right to tell you what is right or wrong. So, I want to know just how you decide if lying, cheating, stealing, murder is right or wrong.

Where did you get that from?

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Hitler did that being a Christian go figure. So what were you saying about morals.

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


Great video. I have proof God is responsible for DNA and that we are created. To have proof, I would need to demonstrated something more than belief and faith. I have this artifact. It's been in the Bible and in the Hebrew language from the beginning. I was woven into the language as an artifact of the Creator's signature on his work.

In Hebrew:

Aleph means strength.
Bet Means House.
Nun Means Seed.
Mem means water.
Tav is two crossed sticks as a mark. It's the last letter of the Aleph Bet.

In Hebrew, Aleph Bet (Alphabet) is the word Father.

In Hebrew, Bet Nun is Son. Bet Nun means House of Seed.

In Hebrew, Mother is Aleph Mem (Strength of Water). This is the catalyst for the letters and words and the baptism (involution) so we can rise to new life (EVOLVE). Evolution is a result and not a cause.

Why is this proof?

John 1

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome[a] it.

WORD is information, and as any good physicist will now tell you, information science is now a necessity if you have any hope of seeing how quantum mechanics operates. We are living in a hologram:

Ask the brightest minds on the planet:



The universe, to support Evolution as a cause of life, would need to be Analog. As it turns out, the universe is digital.



Additionally, we find computer error correcting code in the very structure of what is observed.



The evidence is not simply evident, it is proof based on what I show at the head of this post.



Yes, the information in the Bible is undeniable. The creator told us he was the ALEPHBET. We are created. The universe is digital. When God states we are inside an image and THE image of the creator, he leaves no room for any other conclusion.

By the way, TRUTH in Hebrew is Aleph Mem Tav. The Father, Holy Spirit (mother) and Son (TAV). Christ called Himself the Aleph and Tav (Alpha and Omega), or first and last letter of creation.

Genesis 1

So God created mankind in his own image,
in the image of God he created them;
male and female he created them.

An image is a hologram of TIME SPACE MATTER AND ENERGY.

Genesis 1

In the beginning (TIME), God created the heavens (SPACE) and the earth (MATTER)...Let there be light (ENERGY).

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
reply to post by NoRulesAllowed

 

I think we intrinsically know right and wrong because of the thing called conscience put there by God, but our society has been told over and over that no one has a right to tell you what is right or wrong. So, I want to know just how you decide if lying, cheating, stealing, murder is right or wrong.

Where did you get that from?

Dude... according to the Bible... man is inherently evil. He ate from the tree of knowledge and was cast out due to his rebellion, the original sin. Don't you know your Bible?

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity
I really do want to know how you know something is right or wrong.

Knowing "what is right or wrong" is a fundamental thing what makes us different from animals..it's the FUNDAMENTAL attribute given to humans..that we HAVE this capability! Not everyone understands this, and obviously not everyone will get to this understanding in one single life-time. Some will never know "what is right or wrong", there is no doubt about this that the world is full of such people.

This understanding, this development of knowledge, the morality comes from within. It can not be taught. It cannot be "acquired" by joining a religious group, at least not automatically.

You will understand THEN when you are in a situation where you have the power, say, to cause harm to someone, say, an animal...and you know you have the power being able to decide over its death..or well-being. ONCE you realize that you have this power, and once you realize that you developed a sense of "wrong", despite never having seen a "book" or "set of rules" listing those rules for you..THEN you have matured as a human being. And ONLY then.

This is what sets those people apart from murderers or animals, this is what makes us human.

Thinking it needs a bible (or priest) or "belonging" to a group for this...is entirely wrong. In fact, I'd go so far as to say only those people need a religious affiliation who otherwise have a problem coming to those conclusions on their own. Does your mama need to tell you 1000x not to steal...or did you, at some point, come up with the knowledge and understanding that stealing might be "bad", without your mama having to "educate" you as to why?

reply to post by UnifiedSerenity


I don't understand.. Why does every thing have to be so black and white? Is it possible that evolution is a part of Gods plan? Isn't creation still happening in the universe right this minute. Stars are being born as we speak and only God knows (pun intended) what else is being formed out there.....Maybe Just maybe there is a creator and evolution is God's product of creation......

Originally posted by greenfox86
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

I don't understand.. Why does every thing have to be so black and white? Is it possible that evolution is a part of Gods plan? Isn't creation still happening in the universe right this minute. Stars are being born as we speak and only God knows (pun intended) what else is being formed out there.....Maybe Just maybe there is a creator and evolution is God's product of creation......

if God exists as any religion describes Him, then this is exactly the case.

the discussion should end with posts like these.

Originally posted by tachyonmind

Originally posted by greenfox86
reply to post by UnifiedSerenity

 

I don't understand.. Why does every thing have to be so black and white? Is it possible that evolution is a part of Gods plan? Isn't creation still happening in the universe right this minute. Stars are being born as we speak and only God knows (pun intended) what else is being formed out there.....Maybe Just maybe there is a creator and evolution is God's product of creation......

if God exists as any religion describes Him, then this is exactly the case.

the discussion should end with posts like these.

None of that explains evolution, and you know it. Macro evolution is a fantasy cooked up by people who don't like God or religion. You all control education and don't want to admit your theory has no proof. Apply the same standard to the macro evolution you apply to creation theory and give both equal time or neither.

Originally posted by UnifiedSerenity

Originally posted by Blarneystoner


You don't see the irony here? You accuse scientists of preaching ideologies when the fact of the matter is that you and your ilk preach dogma! Without so much as a spec of verifiable evidence to back up your incontrovertable truths. Yet you seem to be offended by anyone who would refute your claims, backed up by mounds of evidence all while you scream at the top of your lungs that God created everything (in 7 days no less)!! And we should just believe you... without one shred of verifiable, testable evidence. And you infere that your way of thinking is more advanced.... sorry... but that's moronic.

No one is demanding answers from you. Why would we? You don't havre any answers... it's painfully obvious.

People have asked how we think it all happened. They have asked other questions as well, so don't act like they have not.

Your side has never proved macro evolution and yet spends years indoctrinating it and denigrating religion openly in many schools especially colleges. They forbid teachers to teach ID and fire them for doing so. So, I would simply like the same rules applied to the vaunted system as you apply to others who cannot prove their belief system, and you know the evolutionist crowd is fighting it tooth and nail.

What do you base your ideals of right vs. wrong on if we were just animals and there is no God? Is rape ok? Should we stop someone from murdering people? Where do you get the right to tell another animal what is right or wrong in survival of the fittest, natural selection and evolution? I'd love to hear your answers on this.

Actually a couple pages back I DID show you macro evolution and all you could say was WOW it cant reproduce. I don't recall anything saying that a jump in species had to reproduce, yet this one actually will with its parent species. You said I proved intelligent design....wrong....unless you are saying that man is god this is evolution and specifically macro evolution...give it some time with some micro evolution and it will reproduce if that is what you decide to change the definition to in order to fit your needs....

It seems that no matter the evidence put forth there is always an excuse.

Please tell me how the example I put forward is not exactly what you have asked for:

The Russian cytologist Karpchenko (1927, 1928) crossed the radish, Raphanus sativus, with the cabbage, Brassica oleracea. Despite the fact that the plants were in different genera, he got a sterile hybrid. Some unreduced gametes were formed in the hybrids. This allowed for the production of seed. Plants grown from the seeds were interfertile with each other. They were not interfertile with either parental species. Unfortunately the new plant (genus Raphanobrassica) had the foliage of a radish and the root of a cabbage.

Go ahead and research it all you want....it happened and it produced seeds. Two COMPLETELY different genus created a COMPLETELY different genus.

Yet I am sure you will pass it by and post plenty to bury it.