Okay, so I do realize that this forum is "US Political Madness", but...

reply to post by beezzer

'Kay. You just say why being a liberal is better than being a conservative, and I'll respond with why being a conservative is better than being a liberal.

Well that may be a problem because I don't think being liberal is better than being a conservative in the general sense, nor do I think being a conservative is better than being a liberal.

If that is your goal in this, then maybe the debate should be about Narcissism vs Humility, I think you may get more out of that topic.


Now if you wanted an honest debate instead of a silly pissing match, I would have expected you to respond with an actual specific "value" that you wanted to debate.

For example, a debate on Liberal viewpoint (I use viewpoint instead of value, because it more accurately portrays reality) on Healthcare vs the Conservative viewpoint on Healthcare.


I have no interest in trying to play captain Liberal as it seems like you want to be captain Conservative to prove to the world that Conservatism is the end all be all of "values". Individual topics, sure, I would love to debate...vague ideology...I'll leave that to the politicians to use against the masses.

Debate Topic.

How 'bout Economics;

Liberal vs Conservative

reply to post by beezzer


To the point...You would have a hard time defining "conservative" as the party itself is splintered...First into Moderates vs. the rest...Moderates driven out as "RINO's"...then of the remainder you have Staunch conservatives vs. Libertarian and Tea Party...and even rifts between Tea Party and Libertarian...carve out the evangelical right a little...

If you mean "Conservative Values" absent the TP Docterine...Absent Libertarian Docterine..Absent the Evangelical right...OK, but that is not the present day Conservative party? At least not according to the Conservative party? Chris Christie is what you are left with when you start to slice out the rest. How's he doing with your crowd?

Originally posted by xuenchen
Debate Topic.

How 'bout Economics;

Liberal vs Conservative

What about Economics?

I'm not sure a lot of people have much debate experience here.

Originally posted by FlyersFan

Originally posted by Indigo5
"Damn the country, Obama must fail"...

Obama failing to implement his nefarious plans would actually be GOOD for the country.

Like this one?

The concept of the individual health insurance mandate is considered to have originated in 1989 at the conservative Heritage Foundation. In 1993, Republicans twice introduced health care bills that contained an individual health insurance mandate. Advocates for those bills included prominent Republicans who today oppose the mandate including Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Charles Grassley (R-IA), Robert Bennett (R-UT), and Christopher Bond (R-MO). In 2007, Democrats and Republicans introduced a bi-partisan bill containing the mandate.

healthcarereform.procon.org...

Originally posted by Indigo5


But "Conservative" today doesn't mean fiscal conservatism..it means that Obama is a marxist, gay terrorist born in Kenya.

He's gay?

... just kidding we knew that already [/sarc off]

Originally posted by AlienScience

Originally posted by xuenchen
Debate Topic.

How 'bout Economics;

Liberal vs Conservative

What about Economics?

I'm not sure a lot of people have much debate experience here.

Yep like some people think spending less money we DON'T have means a 'shrinking deficit'.

*sigh*

Okay.

How about less government vs more government?

How about low taxes vs high taxes?

reply to post by Indigo5


Just how did you bring Romney into this.

Typical liberal can't focus.

The subject is Obama.

Oh yeah is Romney our president? Did he pass any bs laws? Get a grip!

reply to post by beezzer

Okay.

How about less government vs more government?

You're killing me smalls.

THIS is the problem. I can't debate that as a global topic. I think there should be less government in some places and more government in some places.

A nice example (purely an example) of a debate topic would be:

Government should have a more prominent role in regulating the mark up oil companies can charge for gasoline based on the current price of a barrel of oil.

Then someone takes the "pro" side and someone takes the "con" side.

You can't just say....OIL...debate!!!!

reply to post by beezzer

How about low taxes vs high taxes?

As the 'evil conservative' in the thread I support the abolition of the income tax which shrinks the size, and power of government which means more money in our pockets, and business that creates jobs, and lifts the standard of living, and increase economic output.

Trifecta !

reply to post by neo96

Yep like some people think spending less money we DON'T have means a 'shrinking deficit'.

Yes, it quite literally does mean that.

Originally posted by beezzer
*sigh*

Okay.

How about less government vs more government?

How about low taxes vs high taxes?

I'm Liberal...I believe in smaller government...government where it should be...Less wars and invasions and military spending, more on education, infrastructure etc.

Low taxes vs. High taxes? I believe in low taxes for the middle class and poor and higher taxes for the wealthy.

Originally posted by Diisenchanted
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Just how did you bring Romney into this.
Typical liberal can't focus.
The subject is Obama.
Oh yeah is Romney our president? Did he pass any bs laws? Get a grip!

Nope.

The subject is.....

Okay, so I do realize that this forum is "US Political Madness", but...,

Who can't focus?

reply to post by Indigo5


Do you not think the Democrats are splintered as well?

It seems the Democratic party has as many splinter cells as the R's do!

Progressives should really be the term being used when describing Democrats in this crazy world of political affiliations!!!

Progressives believe in Utopia by force! Lies? No problem! As long as we get our way! Racism? Great! Let's call anyone whom wants to stop us a racist! Oh by the way, not only are we willing to screw over the middle class and make them poor, but we will lie to all of them and tell them we are on their side!!!!

Get real! I consider myself a liberal just because I refuse to accept the Conservative view using religion as their anchor just as the Liberal (progressive) view uses those less fortunate as their prey to further their totalitarian agenda!

Get over yourself!

I grew up believing in the Constitution, and yes! I have also conceded a loss in an debate, because I realized that my view was in opposition to what that document stated!

Bottom line, we became a prosperous country because of our founding fathers view on freedom and liberty! It was corrupt politicians whom realized they could play us against each other to further their agenda to destroy our freedom and become a "Ruling Class" versus a voice for the people that in essence, created the kind of nonsense that is being spewed forth like vomit in this thread!


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Originally posted by AlienScience
reply to post by neo96

 

Yep like some people think spending less money we DON'T have means a 'shrinking deficit'.

Yes, it quite literally does mean that.

Quite literally leaving out the CREDIT DOWNGRADE because WE ARE SPENDING too much.

Doesn't take in to account how much fiat currency is being printed, QE's anyone ?

Doesn't take in to account how much increased Foreign acquisition of US Treasuries.

IE STILL SPENDING money we don't have.

Originally posted by Diisenchanted
reply to post by Indigo5

 

Just how did you bring Romney into this.

Typical liberal can't focus.

The subject is Obama.

Oh yeah is Romney our president? Did he pass any bs laws? Get a grip!

LOL, I'm sorry...I seriously laughed out loud on that one.

The topic actually isn't Obama, the topic of this thread is why are the discussion so lopsided concerning Obama.

You kind of just validated the entire topic by making that comment.

reply to post by AlienScience




How about this.

Reducing the federal budget to the same dollar amount that it was in 19. . . . err. . . . . 68.

How about it?

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by beezzer

 

How about low taxes vs high taxes?

As the 'evil conservative' in the thread I support the abolition of the income tax which shrinks the size, and power of government which means more money in our pockets, and business that creates jobs, and lifts the standard of living, and increase economic output.

Trifecta !

And how do you see collapsed bridges, crumbling roads and a lawless state fostering increased economic output?

Originally posted by beezzer
reply to post by AlienScience

 

How about this.

Reducing the federal budget to the same dollar amount that it was in 19. . . . err. . . . . 68.

How about it?

Can we adjust for inflation and population growth?