Cops: Okla. Teens Killed Baseball Player 'for Fun'

reply to post by silo13


My heart goes out to all concerned.

HOWEVER . . .

imho,

impo . . . professional opinion . . .

HAD THERE BEEN NO SERIOUS DEGREE OF ATTACHMENT DISORDER

FROM

INADEQUATE FATHER LOVE THE FIRST 8 YEARS OF THE BOYS' LIVES

THEY WOULD NOT HAVE KILLED ANYONE.

PERIOD.

Pastors and professional colleagues over my adult life have always claimed . . . ohhhhhh yeah but . . .

his parents were model parents and you just can't ever be sure . . . some kids just twist off for no reason.

NONSENSE

It would usually take me 2-5 questions to find out where the rot set in and why.

In all my 66 years of life, I have NEVER see a SINGLE CASE where the parents were truly model parents who reared their kids WITHOUT ANY SIGNIFICANT ATTACHMENT DISORDER

AND THEN the kids rebelled etc.

Never saw it. Ever.

Chris Lane: call for tourism boycott as teens charged with murder refused bail Former deputy PM Tim Fischer urges Australian tourists to boycott the US to send a message about gun control

The former Australian deputy prime minister Tim Fischer – who played a leading role alongside former prime minister John Howard in changing Australia's gun laws after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre – has urged Australian tourists to boycott the US to send a message about gun control.

"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,'' Fischer said.

"I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers [but] it's a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA."

Ahhhh, gun control.

There we have it.

peace

reply to post by buni11687


imho,

that fbi graph is largely a function of demographics.

The major age range responsible for the most violence in society simply got older. This was predicted a decade or 3 ago . . . strictly on the basis of age demographics regardless of all the other horrific variables.

reply to post by silo13


None of these kids should have had a gun under current US laws - and if they take away guns from the people in the US that the gov't knows has them - these kids would still have an "illegal gun"

Just like all the illegal guns our gov't under Eric Holder has been sending down to the drug cartels in Mexico.

Great - lots more criminals with guns and no more law-abiding citizens with guns.

What do you think will happen then?

reply to post by silo13

"I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers [but] it's a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA.

Well that is pure trash because they are all minors under the age of 18 so it is illegal for them to own guns.

15,15,16 ? ?

Shooting a guy is illegal own guns is illegal.

So.

Im not sure. "boredom"? we're bored lets go kill someone..?

They had access to:
a car: should be in drivers ed, driving privledges=school and back
a .22 pistol- pretty sure guns laws in all states have a limit. where did that come from?
and:
too much time on their hands- "wannabe thugs"- bs music, bad behavior, no real hobbies, sports, music, art ect..
wheres the curfews? no one does that anymore i guess. You know that old, do your homework and get inside before 6 or 8 or whatever.
Last is guidance and discipline. You know where parents teach their kids good values and ground is that gone?

so wheres the behavioral pattern? whats fixable there folks?

People of course are up in arms about this as they should be but they are for the wrong reasons.

Guns and America's gun worship culture are the issue.

Anyways..why is no one up in arms and blaming white men for yet another school incident.

You blame black kids and use the few who commit atrocities to blame the whole.

Why can't that be done for all the mass shootings?

Why don;t people blame and point fingers at all white men?

Why?..because it is stupid.

I have no idea why gun advocates refuse to see the obvious reason for violence in America. They are either idiotic, blind or looking the other way.

Guns do not stop crime in fact they make it a lot easier to commit crime. A criminal with a gun is more likely to act his/her insane thoughts than without one. Why? Because guns make weak people stronger.

I repeat guns GUNS MAKE WEAK PEOPLE STRONGER.

It is obviously too late to outright ban guns in America since the easy access to guns there allows anyone to own one. There should be stricter laws though. Open carry should be outlawed, I mean how are cops supposed to know who legally allowed to carry and who is not.

Give very extreme harsh penalties to those caught with weapons. Time in jail automatic. Caught using a gun in a crime..automatic decades behind bars. Killing someone while committing a crime...if found guilty. No appeals if there is video footage, more than three witness's, or suspect confesses. Take them out back and execute them. No sitting on death row...etc.

Also stop making jail so damn welcoming..24 hrs lock up..no exercise. Small cells, no roommates..etc.

Stop babying the criminal element. Instead of a place for criminal to better themselves in the criminal way...make them suffer.

Make laws better and harsher for gun usage.

Originally posted by Happy1
reply to post by silo13

 

I agree - I live in America and if someone gave me an all expense paid tour to New York City, Boston, California - I wouldn't go.

And I am very careful travelling through all the other big cities on my way down to Key West, every year.

Never drive through any big city in america in the dark - not even on the interstate.

I second this. I'll never willingly go to some of the big cities like NYC, Detroit, Boston, Chicago, ect.... I live a bit north of Dallas and only go there when I have to. (I just don't really like going to big cities in general for multiple reasons).

Originally posted by silo13
Chris Lane: call for tourism boycott as teens charged with murder refused bail Former deputy PM Tim Fischer urges Australian tourists to boycott the US to send a message about gun control

The former Australian deputy prime minister Tim Fischer – who played a leading role alongside former prime minister John Howard in changing Australia's gun laws after the 1996 Port Arthur massacre – has urged Australian tourists to boycott the US to send a message about gun control.

"Tourists thinking of going to the USA should think twice,'' Fischer said.

"I am deeply angry about this because of the callous attitude of the three teenagers [but] it's a sign of the proliferation of guns on the ground in the USA."

Ahhhh, gun control.

There we have it.

peace

Well that didn't take long. Instead of going after the "thug/criminal/gang culture", or try to examine causes of youth violence...lets just take a guaranteed right away from everyone.

reply to post by Onslaught2996

Guns and America's gun worship culture are the issue.

I believe it's more of the "thug culture", rather than the gun culture.

Guns do not stop crime in fact they make it a lot easier to commit crime. A criminal with a gun is more likely to act his/her insane thoughts than without one. Why? Because guns make weak people stronger.

This is a reason why I have a gun. If I get confronted by a criminal with a gun, I want something of equal force to defend myself.

It is obviously too late to outright ban guns in America since the easy access to guns there allows anyone to own one. There should be stricter laws though. Open carry should be outlawed, I mean how are cops supposed to know who legally allowed to carry and who is not.

Give very extreme harsh penalties to those caught with weapons. Time in jail automatic. Caught using a gun in a crime..automatic decades behind bars. Killing someone while committing a crime...if found guilty. No appeals if there is video footage, more than three witness's, or suspect confesses. Take them out back and execute them. No sitting on death row...etc.

Im with you on giving out extremely harsh penalties when using a gun in a crime (violent crimes). This also extends down to juveniles, such as these 3 kids.

From a personal experice, there's one "loophole" so to say that Ive seen in my life that Im still angered about. A couple years ago one of my friends was at some dudes house drinking. Long story short, they got in a verbal argument over some stupid drinking game. My friend decided to leave and as he was walking to get into his car, the other dude pulls out a gun and shoots and kills him point blank. He went to jail and guess what he got?

Manslaughter. Only a couple years in jail for something that defiantly was premeditated murder.

No more of this "oh, well he was drunk/high and didn't know what was going on when he killed that person, so lets not give him a murder charge" junk.

reply to post by Onslaught2996

I repeat guns GUNS MAKE WEAK PEOPLE STRONGER.

Yes, like 'weak' people walking to their car late at night or marooned by the side of the road.
Young woman alone in a home. People of any age/sex for that matter.
Elderly going to get their SS checks.
I can go on and on but I think you get the idea.
Point being is pretty simple. Make guns illegal only the criminals will have guns.
Pretty simple that.

I do agree prisons could move to - let's say HARD LABOR - and see how that cuts down on the old crime rate.
No joke.

peace

I haven't read the threat, and even though I don't follow one of the big 3 religions, I can't help but agree.

I think our school systems should teach everything, including all different kinds of religion with a heavy dose of moral ethics to go along with the curriculum. Make it fair, teach about it all, so no group is ever marginalized or left out.

When kids start getting a full rounded education that includes religious and spiritual thought - I believe, what will happen...

Is our younger generations will work through the separation and hate, search for commonalities and building bridges and fix a lot of what is broken in society. I don't think religion should apply to law. The law should apply to everyone equally no matter what their belief. But I do not believe any topic of learning should be forbidden in school. If a high school class wants to study for example, Christianity in comparison to atheism, and have debates and intelligent discussion. They should be able to. If kids want to talk about anything, it should be open to them for discussion, particularly in a structured setting where the teacher can help direct the flow of conversation and mediate conflict.

We need to start empowering our kids with knowledge, not suppressing them. Just my opinion.

Cirque

I'm gonna get flamedthrower'd here, but whatevs...

America has ALWAYS been immoral. From the very beginning. Government tin this country were always killing off mass amounts of people while invading somewhere, taking some people's #, denying some people there rights. Society in this country was also never truly ideal, or fully moral. On the surface, yes. Upstanding citizenry, wholesomeness, do-goodery, strong moral base, Christian values. But i'm sorry to say that same strong, loving, cooperative and exemplary family unit we idealize of the American yesteryear was the same family that just didn't care for them negroes. Most of society didn't want to think of em', wanted them to stay far away, or even worse, under a firm, heavy boot. These same members preferred the "japs" to be holed up in some sh*t camps. They were too stupid and brainwashed to see that some little kid is in no mood to kamikaze their house. I'll go as far to say that some of those people's strong upstanding morals were unable to withstand the incentive to go hollering racial expletives or hurling veggies, rocks, or molovs at undesirables in the name of preserving society. That era had the cleanest and primpiest and most jolly gals head down to the newly integrated school to give those invasive colored's a piece of their mind. Some stayed at home and kept that piece of mind in their mind. Some avoided the thought all together. These three kids would have probably heckle or beat some random brown person back in the day, but might have been mostly well behaved otherwise. Only a small minority had there minds and hearts open, but they were still a small minority. The environment of chivalry, morals, Christian values and hard work are excellent within themselves, but were only used for a purpose of complacency, conformity, and societal control.

Now the devil want to kick it up, throw some spice up in that bitc*, make it wild. They want to have immorality, chaos and murder be an everyday part of U.S. society's day to day actions. A freshly uzi'd body will not elicit a "gasp!", but a "meh...". The program has been slowly switched from squeeky clean entertainment to straight pornographic, blood gushing, f this/ f that, ooohh look at me, LOOK AT ME entertainment. I just watched an episode of this show called the following a few ago; all i saw was stabbing, more stabbing, voluntary execution stabbing, some shooting people in the back while they were stabbing, topped off with some violent porn. This other show called magic city had what it seems like 3 chicks an episode getting beat, raped, or a combo of both. This cartoon i used to love called Adventure Time, throws out the intelligent and kiddy comedy in exchange for everything satanic, demonic, and horrifying. I don't see how children will not be programmed to chaotic suggestion from this show.

Kids are now allowed to head to the store and pick up some birth control while they have famous divas singing about sex and banging at kids choice awards. Most triple AAA video game titles involve shooting enemies in their faces, or slashing enemies in their faces. Parents have been programmed to see these things as regular parts of life, and don't see a need to refrain there kids from playing these games, or listening too this crap music.

Sex and violence sells? BUllsh*t. Anything sells with millions of bucks and some stupid celebrity behind it. You think little kids prefers sex and violence in their cartoons? Nope, but it's marketed to them at a very young age anyway. I am a new believer in God and J.C., and Lucifer is making this society, and this world, as violent and stupid as he can. You see the signs EVERYWHERE.

These young psychos have been inhabiting other regions of this planet for a very long time. I'm not that shocked that the U.S. is following suit with this. Bastion of hope? Not this country, no matter how squeeky clean things appeared back then.

reply to post by bigman88


I do agree the violence and sex in media entertainment is also a factor to what we are witnessing. Also, the degeneration of the family unit is also part of the degeneration. When both parent are made to work and children are left in the care of daycare - where do the parents think the morals are coming from? Absolutely no where, as the child care centers are not allowed to teach morals - for fear of offending the parents. No real discipline is given, with the exception of a time-out. It's all lunacy.

Then they get to school - still not learning any morals or ethics - because the topics are taboo there to. Because the parents are suppose to be teaching that aspect of their education. But both parents are exhausted from work and the exacting pressures of this never sleep, never stop - keep on consuming and spending society. By the time they get home, cook, do the household work - their exhausted.

The world is mad - and it breaks my heart.

Cirque

Originally posted by Onslaught2996
Why did no one bring up the obvious reason?

The gun culture in America. The glorification of the gun..etc.

But the gun enthusiasts will say and do anything to avoid the obvious connection.

People have owned and operated guns for, in some cases, there whole lives and never felt the need to shoot anybody and probably never will. To say it's the gun culture is just ignorant rhetoric. Yes, a trigger was pulled by a pathetic set of punks who obviously got lost somewhere down the line. How about lack of respect for human life. Or plain old stupidity. They could have just as easily drove over him with the car. This is not about the gun.

Originally posted by silo13
reply to post by Happy1

 

But these guys are all the same - they are like animals - they came from animals - and they're breeding animals -

I'm not attempting to be dramatic here but I happen to agree with you.

My question is - why? Why is the government allowing if not encouraging this? Take it a step further and project what the state of the USA will be when the next generation of children with these type of people as parents mature to 14-15-16? Oh my God.

Makes me a believer in mandatory military service. That being said I might have just answered my own question. But I guess that's for another thread.

peace

Why? DEMOCRATIC VOTERS!!!!

Government has created the abysmal state of affairs we see nowadays. Then they claim they have all the solutions, if you just let them take care of you cradle to grave. That particular population in society needs to be reduced, by limiting who can reproduce. Its really about time we started looking at this, especially when we evaluate the impact of a growing population will have on the rest of the world.

Call it Eugenics, call me a Nazi for thinking this way, I don't really care. You want to deal with slums....limit reproduction. You want to deal with a majority of this kind of criminal behavior.....limit reproduction. You want to deal with the abortion issue.....limit reproduction.

NOBODY should be allowed to produce offspring if they are not in a position (mentally and financially) to raise that child. Too many kids born into single-parent homes, live life on the street because their families don't have enough money. Drug money is too easy to make. Why bother with an education, when all you have do is kill a few people to prove yourself.

Bad illustration is the movie "Idiocracy." Just like in that movie, smart people today are not wanting to have kids until later in life. They may find out that there are issues with that. However, the bottom of the gene pool seems to be reproducing like rabbits, resulting in a huge drain on society. Why the hell do you think Obamacare was even thought up! It's because of these folks. Again, lock them in as VOTERS for GENERATIONS.

I thought as I got older, the world would get better. Instead, everyday I wake up, it seems like we are taking a step backwards.

A very sad story. Condolences to the family of the young man who was murdered.

Man who dobbed in suspects accused of murdering Melbourne baseball player Chris Lane says his son was next

THE teenagers accused of murdering Melbourne baseball player Chris Lane were dobbed in by a local who claims his son was the trio's next target.

Chancey Allen Luna, 16, and James Francis Edwards Jr., 15 have been charged with first-degree murder over the fatal shooting in Duncan, Oklahoma. Michael Dewayne Jones, 17, was charged with using a vehicle in the discharge of a weapon and with accessory to first-degree murder after the fact.

James Johnson, 52, called the police to tell them that the accused killers were hiding in the car park of the Immauel Baptist Church car park at about 5pm, two hours after they allegedly shot Lane.

"My son called me and said, "They're saying they're coming to kill me," so I called the police and they got here within about three minutes," Johnson told the Herald Sun.

Mr Johnson claimed that Edwards Jr had threatened the life of his own 17-year-old son Christopher on Facebook. His son was at home with his mother and sisters near the church when he received the death threat.

Originally posted by Freenrgy2

Sure it does. It's called justice. So what, you stick in them in a prison for life and the country forgets about them in a few months. Prisons are overcrowded and whose to say that, at some point, they decide to let these scumbags go. Of course, we all know how well prisons help rehabilitate their inmates to return to society, so I'm sure they would be fine upstanding citizens when they got out.

Again, BS!!

They need to line them up facing AWAY from their executioners and let the guards fire until they are dead. Oh yeah, lets make sure that they get the execution on TV so all the other little bastards can see what fate awaits them if they want to keep acting like uncivilized morons. These "kids" premeditated 1st degree murder (maybe more than one if you read one their FB posts). They should die and die quickly.

edit on 20-8-2013 by Freenrgy2 because: (no reason given)

You're post is a prime example of modern savagery. Really? Justifying murder in the name of "justice?" Bringing ourselves down to that low of a level? Does killing these kids do anything to bring back the victim? The obvious answer is no. Answering violence with more violence accomplishes nothing other than ensuring the furtherance of a viscous cycle.

Too bad he didn't have a chance or opportunity to Zimmerman these scum oxygen thieves.

2nd

Gs





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reply to post by DestroyDestroyDestroy

Does killing these kids do anything to bring back the victim? The obvious answer is no. Answering violence with more violence accomplishes nothing other than ensuring the furtherance of a viscous cycle.

Would you rather the government moved them into your house and have you adopt them?
I think I would prefer that they were dead so they don't endanger anyone else.
The justice system was never created to "bring people back from the dead" but to stop perpetual blood feuds, where the only way to satisfy those demands is to have a death for a death.

The problem isn't guns movies video games or anything like that. It's stupid ignorant people making more stupid ignorant people. I'm from Detroit I see it all the time. Stupid people bringing kids into this world and not teaching them a damn thing. They have no more sense of right or wrong then a tree frog.