The mind-blowing game-changer you can't unsee.

reply to post by abeverage


The two sats were on different sides of the sun, but there is very little object evidence on StereoA.

reply to post by Jobeycool


I can see eight of them quite clearly.
I will post more .gifs to show this more clearly. This would be done by now if I weren't answering the same ?%@#$#&$ questions over and over and over...
I don't mean you J.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


So you're saying that the entire shape behind the bright corona (that looks like a planet with dark spots as reference) that doesn't "rotate"... the same dark spots that were used to orient the pictures by the OP as the camera rotated... that entire circular shape is an artifact? Yet the bright corona interacts with it by clearly being in front and washing the black spots out.

Even the big circular anomaly in the bottom left corner looks more like a possibly opaque artifact than that entire ring.

reply to post by astronomine

I explained it here:
www.abovetopsecret.com...
I'm not sure how to explain it better than that.

Honestly I'm not so sure what to believe with this.If these are real objects this is something newly discovered going on with the Sun and you can bet NASA is on top of this if this are real objects.

Originally posted by Taggart

Originally posted by Thundersmurf

Originally posted by Unthought Known

Originally posted by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by LiveEquation
Actually the gif demonstration is wrong because your example is rotating the keyboard not the camera.

Re-read what he said.
He said he rotated the camera.

Yes but the gif is wrong. If the gif looked the same as what we see with the sun, the keyboard will remain still and the camera would rotate in our viewing of it. If that happens, one would think the tape on the camera would rotate with it. Thus making it not the same as what the OP is suggesting.

How are you not seeing that the keyboard gif is a perfect comparison and that it completely debunks the very simplistic assertions made by the OP.

Do you not see in both (rotating and stationary) of the original gif's from the OP the ENORMOUS corona artifact around the sun which doesn't rotate, but stays fixed in place. That's because regardless of how the sun is positioned these artifacts at the camera/lens end. The exact same as the OP's supposed artifact.

I genuinely can't believe this thread is still going and has so many flags.

I genuinely can't believe you cannot tell the difference between the keyboard GIF and the OP's gif.

If the Keyboard gif was Lined up so the Keyboard was stationary like OP's, the white tape would be what moves, except in the OP's gif after the sun is lined up the the 'artifact'' stays still

Pretty simple concept, shame you can't or more likely don't want see it.

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Seems we're going to have to agree to disagree on that particular point. On to my question which you didn't answer, how do you explain the massive artifact around the sun, which keeps within the same orientation as the artifact in question? Doesn't matter if the sun is rotating, or the camera is, it's there. Am I to believe that this enormous artifact around the sun is physically there too?

reply to post by Arbitrageur

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
reply to post by compressedFusion

 

Have you read the thread?
Early in the thread Soylent Green is people showed a gif of a rotating keyboard, but he said he didn't rotate the keyboard, only the camera. So the rotation of the keyboard was an illusion, as is the rotation of the sun.

Soylent suggests mimicking rotation
post by Soylent Green Is People

HiramA responds
post by HiramA

You suggest only distant objects are rotating
post by Arbitrageur

Soylent shows a nice picture of apparent rotation of the keyboard with an obstruction taped to the lens
post by Soylent Green Is People

You suggest reflections explain the interactions
post by Arbitrageur

You suggest that the apparent motion of the sun is the result of the camera spinning. You suggest stabilizing the sun to see the objects spin.
post by Arbitrageur

HiramA responds that he did stabilize the sun. Asserts the sun isn't moving only the camera. "Only the satellite is rotating"
post by HiramA

This part is interesting because you both seem to be saying the same thing at this point except you focus on the sun's movement but use the word "appears". So, it seems to create further ambiguity.

No, the corona of the sun clearly appears to rotate counter-clockwise in your gif.

post by Arbitrageur

HiramA hones in on your idea of rotation but seems to have missed your use of "apparent" motion. His reply is that the apparent motion is due to fluctuations in the Sun's output.
post by HiramA

You suggest that you are both saying the same thing. The camera is moving. You suggest the dark spots are also artifacts further proving your point.
post by Arbitrageur

Soylent also posts the same thing about the sun not moving. He distinguishes between the corona and the occlusion disk
post by Soylent Green Is People

HiramA brings up the dark spots again. He doesn't believe they are artifacts of the imaging system.
post by HiramA

This goes back and forth for roughly 12 pages. If we fast forward to your first response to me, you summarize your points.

Originally posted by Arbitrageur
...
As I've said, the object is stationary in the gif, but the sun's corona is not. Here is how one can make that determination
...
Now look at the orange circles, which encircle the object that is stationary in the OP's GIF. When comparing these two views, I have drawn an orange arrow to show the apparent rotation of the object enclosed in the orange circle.

We are back to your claim that only the distant objects should be rotating which probably should have been the object of discussion. I tried to show beyond doubt due to the satellite's orientation that the apparent movement of the corona could not be due to rotation of the sun. As you can see from the summary above HiramA agrees with you as well. In my estimation there are still two open issues:

1.) Are the dark spots outside of the occlusion disk really artifacts as Soylent states
2.) What is the merit of your statement regarding distant objects (since it implies #1 as well).

I hope this helps reduce any noise feedback in the system. All the best.

reply to post by Arbitrageur


I've seen your explanations, which is why I'm trying to get clarification.

You're saying the entire area within the red lines is an artifact even though the bright corona washes over it in its fluctuation. That's a pretty crappy camera if you throw everything that is stationary under the artifact rug to be able to claim the sun is rotating.


Original GIF:

Artifacts of the camera according to Arbitrageur:

Originally posted by astronomine
reply to post by Arbitrageur

 

I've seen your explanations, which is why I'm trying to get clarification.

You're saying the entire area within the red lines is an artifact even though the bright corona washes over it in its fluctuation. That's a pretty crappy camera if you throw everything that is stationary under the artifact rug to be able to claim the sun is rotating.

Original GIF:

edit on 20-8-2013 by astronomine because: Added original GIF

I was just about to create that pic with concentric circles; I'm glad you did. I'm so curious about the artifact within the circles - all around the sun, which i believe to be a camera/lens artifact created by the corona. We can obviously see that the corona is active and fluctuating all over the place, but the corona artifact is stationary, and is always in a relative orientation to the OP's artifact.

If we're gonna discuss one artifact, then lets discuss them all - especially the ones which are linked by orientation. If people are saying that the OP's artifact is a physical object then this enormous artifact should be studied with the same seriousness don't you agree?

This thread is giving me a headache. I feel like I'm so over the "is it spinning?" "is it not?"

reply to post by astronomine


The camera rotated, but your view rotated with it, causing the sun to rotate in the image but the artifacts to remain stationary.

reply to post by HiramA
Yeah I thought the first one was pretty cool too. Apparently the object sat there for about 8 hours before it took off. I'm pretty sure there is a few more videos like this. Something is there. Maybe the objects we see in the OP are the same as these. Maybe they're just stationary at times and at other times they move. I don't think or I should say, would LIKE to think they're stealing all our energy from the sun Maybe they are just using the sun to recharge their ships. There is a video of what appears to be UFO's hovering over thunderstorm clouds on earth and are probably drawing the electrical energy from the storm to recharge ships. Could all this stuff that's going on around the sun have something to do with the arrival of Comet Ison, Could it have something to do with Nibiru/Planet X or could it have something to do with ET's. Who knows. All we know is something is going on up there.

I just finished reading through every post, and going through all of the information for hours, because this is very interesting.

I have to say, I feel like I woke up in a parallel universe today. There seems to be some confusion, and I don't understand how. The OP has clearly shown that the camera rotates, and the sun does not. Yet, a lot of people here are claiming that the sun was rotated. Am I missing something here? Some of the explanations of rotating a camera with an artifact on the lens are mind boggling....and not in a good way. If you rotate a camera with something on the lens, that object WILL rotate with the camera rotation. A camera lens is not housed in a gyroscope.

I feel like this has been almost a one-sided discussion and I just want you to know what you are saying is not completely falling on deaf ears, HiramA. I get what you are saying. However, there is a huge problem in this thread right now bringing it to a standstill. This discussion is less about the artifact and more about rotation. We need someone to prove one way or the other if the sun is actually rotating or not, because as far as I can tell, HiramA claims it is and others are "guessing" it is not due to a coronal rotation that could easily be an illusion.

Absolutely amazing thread, no matter how it ends.

The only way the artifact could be from the camera, is if the sun is rotating and the camera is at a stand still. o_O

Otherwise there'd have to be something interfering with the equipment causing those spots to constantly look like that. Which is pretty amazing in its self. And if the sun is rotating, you would think what ever was interfering with the equipment might be affected by the sun in which case the artifact would rotate with the sun as the camera watched from a stand still.

Oh ya it's definitely ET

1) I am new here, but I have lurked since 2005- wow, 8 years

2) OP is right, 100%

3) The keyboard experiment fails because the object (pen or whatever) was NOT TAPED TO LENS but to the LENS SHADE so to speak, therefore it confuses the issue even more

4) Take your hand and make an OK sign- a circle. Look through it..

Now... rotate you AND your hand together a few inches clockwise or counter clockwise, whatever, as you observe anything in front of you... what do you see as you rotate?

The dirty laundry in front of my view (at 7 o clock for reference) REMAINS there when I rotate- confirming that it is there in reality... if it were an artifact or an ocular inclusion then the "object" would rotate with the lens/eye..

HERE IS THE INTERESTING PART

I have looked for evidence of Nibiru/Second Sun for 12 years

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I got evidence @ 7:23am last Wednesday

When allowed (new member) I will post it... but if anyone can help I will post it sooner-
IO have negative color images and originals showing this object

LASTLY- check Neumeyer lately?

As they say in movie 2010... "have you checked the orbit lately"?

As the Chinese say- may you live in INTERESTING TIMES

ONLINETWORKS

everyone who looks at the solar photos for something new to see, have noticed those objects for years may be.
Since they are bigger than Jupiter, they cannot be just a part of this solar system without being recorded so far. We deal with Extraterrestrial presence. There are such big ships in spheroidal form, as some contactees talk about. Perhaps those ships will evacuate the willing earth population before the big doom.
Another matter is, whether there is another companion star of the Sun, call it Brown Dwarf or whatever, mini solar system, is it behind the Sun all the time or is it beyond Pluto on highly elliptic and inclined orbit. The views differ on that matter, starting from Sichin and ending to today's non-traditional scientists who pop up in alternative media.

Your thread just freaked me out!!!! Okay all you naysayers need to leave! Forget Aliens! Forget Nubiru! Enter Planet X!! Planet X is simply a name that of an unnamed planet! But not for too much longer!

The triangle you speak of is Venus, Mercury and Jupiter. Here is the real surprise and what our Govt (in my opinion only) has been hiding from you! That planet has other objects with it! The most shocking, is the brown dwarf at its core center!!!! Without a doubt this video explains what and why the images are appearing in the OP's find!




I realize this is a very long video, but skip the parts that seem fluff and focus on what Marshall Masters is saying about the photo test! It will rule out lens flare, sun dogs, etc. with a very simple Gamma test!

I will make this a separate thread if need be but for now please consider what he is saying! I truly believe he is seeing the truth, and showing us what will occur later.....

Thanks for your time! Great thread OP S&F

Pax

I'd just like to again point out that, as we can clearly see in this image, when there is a coronal mass ejection, the resultant plasma wave passes over the object in question. If the object in question were an artifact that is inside of, or affixed to, the camera, this would not be possible. The only way for us to see what is show in the .gif, is if the plasma wave is between the object in question and the camera, and since we know the plasma wave is being ejected from the sun, it would stand to reason that the object in question is somewhere quite near the sun. Thats what my logic is telling me, although I'm open to alternate explanations or ideas.

reply to post by ExquisitExamplE


Yes but what you are missing is the total system is behind the sun!!!! and you are not taking into account the ecliptic angle at which those images were shot! please watch just the first few mins. of the video I posted!!

pax

reply to post by astronomine

Originally posted by astronomine

 

Artifacts of the camera according to Arbitrageur:

not only according to arbitrageur, but in this post our friendly neighborhood NASA scientist states, plainly and with annotated image, the same thing as him.