William & Kate are the TWO WITNESSES and Prince George THE CHRIST RETURNED.

Originally posted by Olivet

Originally posted by Jahari
If by chance christ is really coming back the chances he choose two people from a bloodline of self appointed royals is slim to none. Don't really seem really jesus like to me. Maybe the guy that mops up urine at the homeless shelter but two royals....I don't buy it! But who the hell am I? I pray to allah, budda and jesus...just to cover all bases.

You didn't even wait for the four parts of the OP! Your opinion is then uninformed and ignorant. Reread the thread until now to profer an interesting post. Thanks.

edit on 16-8-2013 by Olivet because: (no reason given)

Yea I think I heard enough sir. Thats how I feel that's what I posted. Imo jesus will return a woman and mind fukkkk all christians because their close minds can't think outside the little paradigm of their own Interpretation of scriptures chosen and doctored by the ruling class they are ready to make dieties or kissing cousins of said dieties. So you continue the dogma of birthright and manifest destiny by implying they will be the bloodline that spawns this new messiah. Ummmm I think that's it....if I have any other points I want to add later continuing to own you I will post. Until then send the royals....hell and the pope (gods flavor flav) all your worldly possessions and buy your way into heaven...or a homeless shelter whichever one comes first.

Was that interesting enough?

reply to post by mamabeth


Evidently he's still blathering on thinking his

non-sequiturs relate logically to the Scriptures he mentions when . . .

any relationship he claims supports as having to do with such Scriptures is preposterous to a way above average degree . . . even for ATS.

It's really amazing to watch.

It's a great illustration of the sorts of stuff that originates dreadful cultish stuff.

It's bad enough that he believes this stuff.

That he believes that other rational folks might end up believing this stuff as a result of reading his posts . . .

THAT'S beyond incredible.

I'm glad the Bible is not anywhere near that convoluted.

Sigh.

Originally posted by Jahari
Imo jesus will return a woman and mind fukkkk all christians because their close minds can't think outside the little paradigm of their own Interpretation of scriptures chosen and doctored by the ruling class they are ready to make dieties or kissing cousins of said dieties. So you continue the dogma of birthright and manifest destiny by implying they will be the bloodline that spawns this new messiah.../... Until then send the royals....hell and the pope (gods flavor flav) all your worldly possessions and buy your way into heaven...or a homeless shelter whichever one comes first.

Was that interesting enough?

Your post is very interesting, indeed.

You've made two points.

The first one is the acknowledgement that we must think outside the box. You rightly admited that Christ could come back as a child. It's logical and conform to the Scriptures (Rev.12). Just with this stance, you are far more able to see the truth and be saved.

The second point is essential: why a royal? I'm gonna show you that you still need to open your mind.

At the first glance, this seems shocking that the Messiah would return as a royal. But it is not.

Most of the avatars in history were born as a royal. For instance...

Buddha was a prince, son of a King, future king himself. Jesus was a heir of King David, and was king himself too.

Why such a choice from God? Do you think God was mad? Isn't there something important in His choices? What is God's message by choosing them?

Jesus said that his kingdom wasn't on Earth but in Heaven. Why? Because the kingship on Earth was just political, not spiritual, when he came on Earth.

You should ask yourself where the kingship comes from. It comes from God! For it is God who made kings in the first place. He anointed the first kings to serve and protect the people and help the civilization to grow up in the manner God wanted the humankind to evolve.

But, with the time, the kings fight each other to get more personal political power, even if it was under spiritual excuses. They reminded everyone that it was a birth right to be king, but forgot to apply the second part of the 'deal' with God: to serve and protect the people in the name of God.

Jesus-Christ is said to return as a KING. This is exactly what is going on. But he wants the most important prayer of the christians, the very prayer he personaly asked the disciples to spread, the Lord's prayer in which WE ASK GOD TO GET THE KINGDOM OF HEAVEN ON EARTH (!), to come true. Otherwise, he wouldn't have asked the disciples to spread it. Since two millenia, billions of Lord's prayers have been said! Is that for nothing? I don't think so.

Now, you say that the royal ruling class doesn't reflect God's will. And you are absolutely right. The men are weak and corrupted. THIS IS THE VERY REASON FOR WHICH CHRIST HAS TO COME BACK AS A KING.

The bloodline is one thing. It's the means to convey the memory of God's promise to King David to better maintain in the history the idea of the spiritual royalty, the spiritual order of the universe. Doing so, God keeps in our mind the souvenir of his convenant with King David AND with His people, US, you, me, everyone!

That's why the British royalty, the most powerful in the world, has survived the numerous changes in the world political history. Most of people believe that the best form of political management is the democracy. From God's perspective, it's not. The best political system is the royalty because it is supposed to give the authority to a spiritual leader able to be a political leader in the same time. Such a man, wise, compassionate and clever, would be able to free people from the slavery of the greedy and evil men. Progress have been made along the centuries, but the men failed to follow God's commands and advices. That's why revolutions popped up and most of the royals in the world disappeared. The British constitutional royalty, with a parliament, is the middle stage to save the royalty and to give people the right to defend their interest for many kings failed to show their mercy and wisdom. But God's covenant is still valid. God is immortal and sees things coming several millenia ahead.

The spiritual kingship is then another one. This is God's will. For this, He (has) will anoint(ed) the ONE spiritual leader able to be the right political leader for the Heaven must come down to Earth, helped by the Army of Angels to succeed in getting the kingdom of heaven on Earth. A man alone can't do anything without the power of an army.

This leader is Christ. He must come in a royal family to be seen as a legit future king by the people in the name of God's convenant. Otherwise, God wouldn't be God if his promise wasn't true.

All of this means that the British Royalty will be deeply changed. Its scale of values will dramatically change. Give the young royals a chance, and the time, to show the new deal!

He's not the messiah .. he's a very naughty boy

reply to post by Olivet

Try again, once you've understood the whole picture, you could be able to contribute a little bit more. You'd better pay close attention yourselves!

First a bit of background from Olivets history of storytelling
May 20/21, 2012: the true meaning
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Your words
departure june 4 2012
“Hi all,
Here is the lastest pic of the departure due just after JUNE 4th, the deadline previously announced which is the last day of this life.”
Hmmm…June 4, 2012 and we’re in August 2013
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Your words
“The world of finance is going to collapse within few months. The world economy is going to deeply plunge into a never seen abyss. Famine, deseases, social unrests and riots everywhere will emerge. Wars will pop up soon. Nuclear threats will grow up rapidly.”
Sure finance is teetering on the edge of collapse…but you missed by how many months? 21 months later…….

Here’s a great comment summing up Revelations relevance/irrelevance to future events
www.abovetopsecret.com...
wasaka posted on 26-1-2013 @ 01:52 AM
Second, those who want the book of Revelation to be about things that have not been fulfilled yet (future events) are ignoring the very clear time markers. There are two time markers in the preface to the book of Revelation. The first is found in verse 1, “To show his servants the things that must soon take place.” The second time marker is in verse 3, “For the time is near.” Carefully read those time markers. Verse 1 says that the revelation concerns things that must soon take place. What is soon to you? The time is near for the events that are contained in the revelation and that is why those who read, hear, and keep the words are blessed. The point cannot be ignored. The author said, the things in the book are happening soon.... meaning in the life time of the original readers...which means they did happen (or least can't be expect to happen 2000 years later). It is a mistake to suppose that John was predicting events that would take place in the later centuries of Christian history. Writing to the people of his own day about events that would happen while they were still living, he states that Christ will return while those who put him to death on the cross are still living. So whatever the Beast and False Prophet might have been, we have no reason to expect them in our near future.

Thirdly, the message of Revelation was intended for this particular time and set of circumstances, and it would be a mistake to establish an entire doctrine or dogma based on the symbolic language used in this book. Consider the climate of that period and why the symbols language was employed. As the opposition to Christianity became more intense, the followers of the new movement were asked to prove their loyalty to the Roman government by denouncing Christ and by worshiping the statue of the emperor. When they refused to do this, they were tortured and even put to death. It was under these conditions, the Revelation of John was written. John used symbolism in the same way we might encrypt an email today--to prevent the 'Homeland Security' from reading it or understanding it. However, those who read the book had a method of decrypting the symbolic text.

Lastly, consider the intended purpose of this book. It would be difficult to imagine anything more appropriate for the members of Christian churches at that time than to be told Satan would be cast into the lake of fire. They needed encouragement and the assurance that their trials would soon be over, that the evil powers of the earth would be destroyed, and that the triumph of righteousness would be established in the world. Christians familiar with the older apocalyptic writings (like Daniel) would understand the book's symbolism, for practically everything John said to his contemporaries was said before to people who suffered under similar circumstances. The permanent significance of Revelation lies in the author's conviction that right will ultimately triumph over evil and that in my view is what the reference to Satan bound for 1000 years was all about.

www.propagandamatrix.com...
Preface to Down to Earth by HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, 1988, p.|8.
“I don't claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the ``cull'' to the size of the surplus population.”
www.propagandamatrix.com...
Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.
“I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus.”

So the Christ Bloodline continues through a self professed genocidal maniac?

And now to “I say is that the returned Christ is a baby first. He will be protected by the two witnesses, his parents.”
If anything going on past history this would probably refer to two branches of whatever cult religion we’re discussing ..1/ theological and 2/ military enforcers for example Church of England and English armed forces subservience to The Crown
You say
“If you hate royalty, you're doomed. ROYALTY IS THE SPIRITUAL HIERARCHY IN THE HEAVENS”
Lets look further into Revelation 12
Revelations 12: 5 “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
idioms.thefreedictionary.com...
Defn: “rule (somebody) with a rod of iron (British, American & Australian) also rule (somebody) with an iron fist/hand (American & Australian)
to control a group of people very firmly, having complete power over everything that they do”
Doesn’t allow much room for mutual love does it? Yes I admit I loathe Royalty and all the spilt blood it rests on.
Granted ships may materialize/de-materialize but if you’re looking for your saviour in a cloud or in the sky I’m afraid you’ll be worshipping or revering something man made
To perhaps further your reading list I would suggest the following
All Roads Lead To Rome
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564758/pg1‎
As to your desire to be ruled by the Royals….
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com...
to further your faith in the Royals
Freemasonry and its Involvement In Colonialism, Wars, Genocides and Revolutions
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Do you honestly believe that a child of Kate & William has not already been vested into the dark side of rulership?
Heres an interesting take on what you’ll be seeing
www.helpfreetheearth.com...
Project Blue Beam
All with the help of man made technology. Welcome to your Annunaki Masters
NO THANKS I PASS YOUR OFFER

First a bit of background from Olivets history of storytelling
May 20/21, 2012: the true meaning
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Your words
departure june 4 2012
“Hi all,
Here is the lastest pic of the departure due just after JUNE 4th, the deadline previously announced which is the last day of this life.”
Hmmm…June 4, 2012 and we’re in August 2013
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Your words
“The world of finance is going to collapse within few months. The world economy is going to deeply plunge into a never seen abyss. Famine, deseases, social unrests and riots everywhere will emerge. Wars will pop up soon. Nuclear threats will grow up rapidly.”
Sure finance is teetering on the edge of collapse…but you missed by how many months? 21 months later…….

Thank you to remind us what I wrote. I was wrong to announce such a date but I had good reasons for this at that time. The infos I got at that time seemed enough to me to deduct such a departure date. Now, I got many more new intel since then like I said to Chamber=6. These latest intel are more accurate and describe its circumstances.

I missed the financial collapse by many months because it is related to the departure date for which I believed to have enough data at the time I wrote what you quoted above. At a time scale of ten years, few more months are almost nothing.

Here’s a great comment summing up Revelations relevance/irrelevance to future events
www.abovetopsecret.com...
wasaka posted on 26-1-2013 @ 01:52 AM
Second, those who want the book of Revelation to be about things that have not been fulfilled yet (future events) are ignoring the very clear time markers. There are two time markers in the preface to the book of Revelation. The first is found in verse 1, “To show his servants the things that must soon take place.” The second time marker is in verse 3, “For the time is near.” Carefully read those time markers. Verse 1 says that the revelation concerns things that must soon take place. What is soon to you? The time is near for the events that are contained in the revelation and that is why those who read, hear, and keep the words are blessed. The point cannot be ignored. The author said, the things in the book are happening soon.... meaning in the life time of the original readers...which means they did happen (or least can't be expect to happen 2000 years later). It is a mistake to suppose that John was predicting events that would take place in the later centuries of Christian history. Writing to the people of his own day about events that would happen while they were still living, he states that Christ will return while those who put him to death on the cross are still living. So whatever the Beast and False Prophet might have been, we have no reason to expect them in our near future.

I completely disagree. You forget a vital data: THE COMING OF CHRIST WITH HIS ARMY OF ANGELS. He talks about benevolent Ets. Did this happen? NO!

If you think this army is just a metaphor, you are deeply wrong.

The time markers 'the things that must soon take place' and 'for the time is near' must be placed in the scale of the 25,000 years, or so, of the long count of the zodiac.

TWO THOUSANDS YEARS IS NEAR COMPARED TO THEM. It's a sign ahead. A SIGN AHEAD IS NEAR!

It doesn't mean 'in the life time of the first readers', especially because the first readers lived one to two centuries after Jesus' resurrection. Remember that Jesus' recognition sign was the pisces. It meant that His time had to last about 2,000 years of the Pisces sign of the whole revolution of the zodiac (25,000 years).

Thirdly, the message of Revelation was intended for this particular time and set of circumstances, and it would be a mistake to establish an entire doctrine or dogma based on the symbolic language used in this book.

If they are numerous symbols in the Revelations, it doesn't mean they are far from the reality. Otherwise, it could mean ANYTHING. For instance, the red dragon with seven heads / diadems and ten horns is NOT ANY dragon. It is very specific. There are NOT plenty of ways to translate this metaphor. John wouldn't have take the time and put the effort to describe his visions that specific to let everyone to interpret it as one wishes to do so. John had visions. The visions correspond to specific events, like it is the case in our common dreams, especially in premonitory dreams.

Consider the climate of that period and why the symbols language was employed. As the opposition to Christianity became more intense, the followers of the new movement were asked to prove their loyalty to the Roman government by denouncing Christ and by worshiping the statue of the emperor. When they refused to do this, they were tortured and even put to death. It was under these conditions, the Revelation of John was written. John used symbolism in the same way we might encrypt an email today--to prevent the 'Homeland Security' from reading it or understanding it. However, those who read the book had a method of decrypting the symbolic text.

This is tempting to believe that the Revelations are just an encrypted message to prevent people to die, or to be careful. What would be the glory of the martyr that the Jesus' followers asked for themselves to join Christ in Heaven like it is said in the Scriptures?

How stupid it would be for John to do so. First, his metaphors are really obscur, even more crypted than Nostradamus'. How his metaphors would help anyone if none can decipher them, especially when very few were able to read? Look. Even now, after very long studies in Universities, armies of Bible scholars disagree about the significance of several parts of the Revelations. Even for other books of the Scriptures. Remember that only the ruling class had the ability to read at John's time. Did he want to protect the ruling class in the second century? I don't think so. If it's not to help people of his time, what would be the purpose of his work?

NO, I believe your theory is too much convoluted.

Lastly, consider the intended purpose of this book. It would be difficult to imagine anything more appropriate for the members of Christian churches at that time than to be told Satan would be cast into the lake of fire. They needed encouragement and the assurance that their trials would soon be over, that the evil powers of the earth would be destroyed, and that the triumph of righteousness would be established in the world. Christians familiar with the older apocalyptic writings (like Daniel) would understand the book's symbolism, for practically everything John said to his contemporaries was said before to people who suffered under similar circumstances. The permanent significance of Revelation lies in the author's conviction that right will ultimately triumph over evil and that in my view is what the reference to Satan bound for 1000 years was all about.

John wouldn't have need so many complex metaphors to speak about the evil. AGAIN, John had visions. He didn't try to convey a 'political' message, but to simply put his visions in words. He had not the choice but to just translate the CONTENT of his visions into direct descriptive sentences, as much as weird they could seem.

www.propagandamatrix.com...
Preface to Down to Earth by HRH Prince Philip, Duke of Edinburgh, 1988, p.|8.
“I don't claim to have any special interest in natural history, but as a boy I was made aware of the annual fluctuations in the number of game animals and the need to adjust the ``cull'' to the size of the surplus population.”
www.propagandamatrix.com...
Prince Philip, in his Foreward to If I Were an Animal; United Kingdom, Robin Clark Ltd., 1986.
“I must confess that I am tempted to ask for reincarnation as a particularly deadly virus.”

So the Christ Bloodline continues through a self professed genocidal maniac?

Your quotes are of no interest as far as I lenghtly explained that Christ is NOT returning to back up his apparent ancestors BUT TO CHANGE THE ROYALTY ITSELF, AND THE WORLD GOVERNANCE. You must go beyond the figures of the royal monarchy for they will be replaced. If your father is a murderer, are you a murderer yourself? Should you be condemned for his sins / faults?

Surely not. You would even make every effort to show you are a different person.

And now to “I say is that the returned Christ is a baby first. He will be protected by the two witnesses, his parents.”
If anything going on past history this would probably refer to two branches of whatever cult religion we’re discussing ..1/ theological and 2/ military enforcers for example Church of England and English armed forces subservience to The Crown.

You say
“If you hate royalty, you're doomed. ROYALTY IS THE SPIRITUAL HIERARCHY IN THE HEAVENS”
Lets look further into Revelation 12
Revelations 12: 5 “And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.”
idioms.thefreedictionary.com...
Defn: “rule (somebody) with a rod of iron (British, American & Australian) also rule (somebody) with an iron fist/hand (American & Australian)
to control a group of people very firmly, having complete power over everything that they do”
Doesn’t allow much room for mutual love does it? Yes I admit I loathe Royalty and all the spilt blood it rests on.

Jesus came to denounce the mistakes and the behaviors of the jewish religious. He returns to do the same at a very larger scale. He then needs a 'rod of iron'. This is an expression to show that Christ won't do what he did 2,000 years ago. Again, it would have been a wasted time if he had to do the same the second time. It would have been a failure. It would have showed he is not Son of God. So, the rod of iron shows the very purpose of his return.

Now, you can use every contradictory argument to make your case just because you loathe Royalty. Certainly for good reasons. But you must go beyond your anger to see the whole picture and understand that BECAUSE JESUS' WORDS AND GOD'S CONVENANT HAVE BEEN BETRAYED THERE IS EVERY REASON FOR CHRIST TO COME IN THIS PARTICULAR ROYAL FAMILY.

Originally posted by Jahari
If by chance christ is really coming back the chances he choose two people from a bloodline of self appointed royals is slim to none. Don't really seem really jesus like to me. Maybe the guy that mops up urine at the homeless shelter but two royals....I don't buy it! But who the hell am I? I pray to allah, budda and jesus...just to cover all bases.

Bartender make that a double!
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reply to post by TheConstruKctionofLight


THX THX.

I wasn't aware of such a record of abject absurdities.

Sounds like whatever cognitions have been occurring between the ears . . . they've been going on a long time.

That's incredibly sad.

It all still has the flavor of a JW, for some reason. Not sure why.

I wonder what part of

2ND COMING AS CONQUERING KING RIDING ON A WHITE HORSE

is hard to understand.

Sounds like the OP might well "interpret" [using the word incredibly loosely]

as baby George's "white horse" blinky.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL _javascript:icon('') ROTFLOL

That last example you posted sounds like a kind of off the wall preterism--as all preterism is plenty, already.

I wonder how this would rank as an example of religious obsessions driven off the cliff.

Sadly . . . with the vast number of troubled souls unschooled in critical thinking . . . frightful.. . .

It is a pretty clever way for the dark lord, old slew foot, and his deceiving critters to cause Christianity to look like an off the wall stinking pile of gobbledygook. Sigh.

Prayerfully, Holy Spirit will lead all who TRULY seek God to find Him, to seek His Face in a spirit of truth and genuine earnestness. The essentials of the Bible and Salvation in Christ are not that difficult. "A little child shall lead them." John 3:16 is a good example of that clear, simple Truth.

Sigh.

Granted ships may materialize/de-materialize but if you’re looking for your saviour in a cloud or in the sky I’m afraid you’ll be worshipping or revering something man made
To perhaps further your reading list I would suggest the following
All Roads Lead To Rome
www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread564758/pg1‎
As to your desire to be ruled by the Royals….
www.atlanteanconspiracy.com...
to further your faith in the Royals
Freemasonry and its Involvement In Colonialism, Wars, Genocides and Revolutions
www.abovetopsecret.com...
Do you honestly believe that a child of Kate & William has not already been vested into the dark side of rulership?
Heres an interesting take on what you’ll be seeing
www.helpfreetheearth.com...
Project Blue Beam
All with the help of man made technology. Welcome to your Annunaki Masters
NO THANKS I PASS YOUR OFFER

First, I have no offer for you. I am sorry. The only one who can help you is..YOURSELF!

You must change your mind, go beyond your hatred and see how the future can be with a divine plan in progress. Do you think God will loose at the end? Don't you think God is not clever enough to fight Satan? Imagine just a second the wisdom of Christ as a king. He will win. If you hate the one able to save your ass, then I cannot do anything for you, but to cry on your grave, for it is the only end you would know.

By the way, the project Blue Beam is BS. It was imagined by christian fanatics in the 60's. People have tried to update it to our days, but there won't be false alien spaceships made by holographic lights. When you have radar tracks of ET ships they are real. I have many other arguments against this fiction but it would be a waste of time if you are not ready to listen. Just remember that these religious fanatics didn't believe the numerous UFO sightings in the 60's were extraterrestrials. THEY DIDN'T BELIEVE IN ET ALIENS BECAUSE THE BIBLE DOESN'T SPEAK, ACCORDING TO THEM (what is false of course) ABOUT THEM AND BECAUSE WE WERE SUPPOSED TO BE THE ONLY INHABITED PLANET IN THE UNIVERSE!

That's why they made believe that these UFOs sightings were a US goverment trick to create false aliens to better impose a new religion with a false messiah they would contest, of course. In a nutshell, those who INVENTED the supposed governmental project Blue Beam wanted to prevent a challenger (a new religion) and save their faith.

Originally posted by johnrobca
He's not the messiah .. he's a very naughty boy

You know everything right? With so many arguments I am done!

Originally posted by BO XIAN
The essentials of the Bible and Salvation in Christ are not that difficult. "A little child shall lead them." John 3:16 is a good example of that clear, simple Truth.

Funny that you used this verse 3:16 of John who describes a child to be the Anointed One in Rev. 12! I am not sure you will see the joke on you.

Whatever you write, and the more you write (SO MUCH), the more you show us HOW SCARED YOU ARE TO BE WRONG.

You make all what is possible to contradict me WITHOUT THE LEAST SOLID ARGUMENT. There are other readers / writers trying to make a point. You always failed to do so. You have just insults and dishonest claims to serve. Why do you write so much? I think people have understood you disagree with me. So what? It's a not a problem. We agree that we disagree. But you insist so much that THE ONLY THING YOUR BEHAVIOR SHOWS IS YOUR FEAR.

What are you scared of, if you are sure I am wrong? It won't go very far, right? Unless you are not sure. Do you believe I can shake the whole religious world with this tiny thread? With this 'stupid theory'? So, why so much energy to convince people that this 'obvious crap' is BS? It should be self-evident, right?

Maybe not sure enough? That's why you try to convince YOURSELF?

Wait for events to come, sooner than later...

reply to post by Olivet


Nope.

It's just that your OP pontifications are sooooooooooooo off the wall out of sync with even a basic understanding of the Bible.

It's been like a study in

CULTISM 101.

The standard, rational, logical, straightforward understandings of the Bible are best.

God did not make His Word a mystifying convoluted maze of irrationality regardless of how much your posts try to demonstrate otherwise.

The simple Biblical fact that Christ is coming back the 2nd time AS CONQUERING KING is sufficient to blow your assertions totally out of the water.

But basically . . . it's difficult to even imagine what your assertions have to do with reality whatsoever . . . much less the Biblical realities.

reply to post by TheConstruKctionofLight


I forgot to give you links about the 7,000 years theory:

Millenia Day Theory.

The seven day theory or seven thousand years from creation theory

These links show that the Return of Christ is for our time, and, therefore, John was necessarily talking about OUR TIME in the Revelations, NOT HIS OWN TIME!

reply to post by BO XIAN


Fear, IQ level, brainwashing or mental disorder? I am starting to doubt.

reply to post by BO XIAN


It's not because you're flooding and derailing this thread that people won't read my replies. It's even the opposite. People don't like to be brainwashed and be taken as idiots. I am sure you will continue to flood ad nauseam. But it won't change a thing about the OP and my further explanations. Take care. You will need some help when the time has come.

The only one who can help you is..YOURSELF! You must change your mind, go beyond your hatred and see how the future can be with a divine plan in progress. Do you think God will loose at the end? Don't you think God is not clever enough to fight Satan?

reply to post by Olivet


My word used was "Loathe", not "hatred"


Your responses to Bo Xian
"Fear, IQ level, brainwashing or mental disorder? I am starting to doubt."

"People don't like to be brainwashed and be taken as idiots"
(and you reckon I hate much? with good reason mind you)

All I can say to both you and Bo Xian is that lets not forget that early christianity was considered a "cult" until it became mainstream at the threat of the sword by the Roman Emperor Constantine

Do you honestly believe that a child of Kate & William has not already been vested into the dark side of rulership?

You conveniently chose not to address the above statement of mine. Sorry I wont be kneeling to any earth born royalty.
Like I said welcome to your Annunaki Masters, if you dont see the connections by now well , you could try searching ATS...your eyes maybe opened to whose agenda you may be dancing to

reply to post by BO XIAN


I agree and wondered if I really felt like wasting my time debating with
an individual who appears to be reading the Bible with a secular mind
and spirit.
Plus, being a woman I am not suppose to teach a man on Biblical matters.

The Two Witnesses:

Revelation 11:1-13

11 And there was given me a reed like unto a rod: and the angel stood, saying, Rise, and measure the temple of God, and the altar, and them that worship therein.

2 But the court which is without the temple leave out, and measure it not; for it is given unto the Gentiles: and the holy city shall they tread under foot forty and two months.

3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.

4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the Lord of the earth.

5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.

6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

At the beginning of Rev.11 related to the Two Witnesses, it is specifically mentionned the expression "[the two witnesses] standing before the Lord of the Earth".

The same way the red dragon stood before the woman of the apocalypse (Then the dragon stood before the woman about to give birth,), the two witnesses stand before the Lord of the Earth. Who else is the Lord of the Earth but Christ?

In Rev. 12, we saw that the red dragon was a man representing the line of the BRITISH MONARCHS (Charles, Prince of Wales, which flag is a red dragon) who stood before the woman (Kate) when he visited her at the hospital St Mary on Tuesday July 23rd.

In Rev.11, we then can understand that the two witnesses stand before Christ, LITERALLY. They are with him. They live with him. That's why they are his parents, like Charles is a relative to Kate. The same words are used. Therefore the same situations are involved.