Dawn of Witchcraft, it is time now.

Originally posted by DataWraith
Originally posted by thruthseek3r
I now tell you that in former life from now on, I oppose any kind of witchcraft and I will fight with my heart at it's deepest level in order to stop it any way whatever the cost may be. I learned how bad it is, how it is corrupting our own soul and so it must be prevented to do any further damage to the human race, yet there is still some hope.

DOOFUS, so you OPPOSE witchcraft, what about when it can be used to help others? eh?
Anyone who comes out with such nonsense is now called a religious extremist, so I'm calling you out, PROVE witchcraft is bad as you call it and I'll admit I'm wrong.

What a clown

You can become a witch doctor and will perform prodigy I must admit, but is healing the sick using supernatural powers the best way? What about the fact some people have to go according the the path they chose before entering in this dimension. If we are to beat death totally in supernatural ways, then we would have a very big problem and hopefully we are not there yet nor will we, because witchcraft is not that much accepted and might never will, glory to the purity of the soul.



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remember to love your enemy, if you perceive them as such, you are supposed to love unconditionally.

Blessed are the peacemakers,

Blessed are the merciful, for they shall be shown mercy.

Originally posted by Taissa
I see the word "shamanism" always being loosely referred to as Native American tradition. I once met a Native American woman who explained to me that there are NO Native American medicine people who ever use the word "shamanism" nor do they refer to themselves as "shaman". Shaman is a term that was coined in the hippie era in reference to Native medicine man. A real medicine person for their tribe will never call themselves a shaman.

Sorry, I just felt a need to say that in order to clear up the ignorance.

Originally posted by thruthseek3r
It is not about genocide, it is about stopping the dark and occult rituals, stop magick, stop the sacrifice and the many cults here in this world, this is what it is all about.

There is evil in this world, and there are people who are doing evil things with magick, however you must learn to discern who practices these things, and I can tell you with much assurance that Wiccans do not practice this type of magick. I used to be Wiccan, we do not believe in hurting other people. We simply DO NOT ever because there is the law of 3. And although I am no longer a Wiccan, I still believe in the law of 3.

You can't stop evil by simply killing it either. You have to overcome it within your own spirit and your mind. Evil has no influence over people who refuse it. That's my personal opinion.

If you feel attacked, then draw a circle of light around yourself and pray, and say that nothing evil can enter into that circle of light around yourself, and continue saying it. Know that you are protected.

Thank you for your input in clarifying what a shaman is and is not. Now, concerning wiccans, I do not wish to go into much details about as I have never been in one of their coven, but by what I saw and the use of their pentagrams, reverted pentagrams and so on ... Hello! Make fly! Magick and Rituals !!! Link with satanism?



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Originally posted by Em2013
Many years ago there was this guy that went around ICQ and found people that practiced Witchcraft and would either beat them up severely or kill them so I head. I was told to remove my status as such and did. A friend of mine got killed and the story goes it was that murderer but it was recorded as "death by natural cause", only that person was a 16-year-old girl. This was the first time I knew someone outside of family to have died. Afterwards I seeked revenge (as like any other person my age would do) and posted my status as a Witchcraft practitioner but never was approached.

I don't know what happened, if they ever caught that murderer or if he was ever real. However the thought of people killing each other over a way of life is plain stupid. I may have only practiced Witchcraft for a little bit but I continued to use psychokinesis even to this day. Because of that one event however, my views on humanity changed forever.

Yes this is very true and sad that such things happen. No one should be killed and I can not comprehend sometimes why these happen as I am not one who has every knowledge on the matter. What I can tell you though is that these "forbidden" arts leads to the degradation of the soul whether you like or not and one day you will understand it.

Please, for your own sake, pay attention if you are to be approached in any manner to anything new which could have a link with the kind of practice you or witchcraft, the goal is to make you think the it is acceptable and the dark stuff comes on later in the process, just to let you know.



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Originally posted by shells4u
Truthseeker I get the sense that you are a good person who is having a hard time...and that saddens me...I am going to do for you the only thing that I can think of to help...I am going to keep you in my daily thoughts and nightly prayers that you get through this and that you are granted a quiet mind and peaceful spirit...Take care of yourself and be kind to yourself...sincerely, shells4u

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Thank you for such thing it is very appreciated, prayers are always welcomed if they are to be of a good intention.


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healing the sick using supernatural powers the best way?

Opposed to Jesus Christ and the laying on of hands? Did he not pray? Is that not a form of witchcraft and supernatural powers?

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the use of their pentagrams, reverted pentagrams and so on ... Hello! Make fly! Magick and Rituals !!! Link with satanism?

Hello! Make Fly? not sure if your trying reference back to the future or what?

The use of those chants with them always ending in Amen and the ritual of drinking the blood or eating the body or using symbols such as crosses and stars!!!

Hello! Make fly!

Link with Satanism?

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prayers are always welcomed if they are to be of a good intention.

But another form of magic/ritual for good intentions is evil?

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Oh dear jebus. I about choked on my soda.... Make fly~ and I digress~

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Just for the future.... It's McFly... Marty McFly... That's HELLO MCFLY~

You might want to do some more religious searching as pentagrams are not always of the devil. The Star of David is not a satanic emblem or sigil. Turn it upside down and you get the devils pentagram sure. But therein lies a problem with your whole OP.

Sir, you cannot have good without evil. Postulating that wicca is the scourge of the Earth is no different than the the Trials in Salem. You gonna toss a witch in water and see if they float?

I would like to know how you plan to "rid" the world of Wiccans? For that matter you might want to take on Santarian Magic, Voodo and every variance form of Magic. Will David Blane be on your list as well? I mean he can levitate and seems more like a Witch then say... Oprah Winfrey.

I'm being very honest right now, this thread is disturbing to the point of seeing another individual think it's the 1800's and feels vindicated to ridding the world of a religion. Because that's what it is. Wiccan have a religion, a set of guidelines and rules they follow. So your persecuting a religion on some half hazard assumptions.

Kindest respects,

sulaw

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There is NO DIFFERENCE between white & black magic. So sorry.

By definition *white* magic is different from *black* magic.

you can NOT circumvent God, even using nature, b/c by doing that you are basically doing the same thing Adam & EVe did in the garden, and the results will be the same.

That is assuming The Bible is actually true. By the way, it was "God" who lied, not the serpent. God said on the day that they eat thereof they will surely die. Satan said this was a lie and not only will they not die on the day they eat it but their eyes will be opened. Both statements by Satan turned out to be true.

All white magic does is give credence that healing is possible WITHOUT GOD, and as such who do you think that gives credence TO?

You may say "magic" gives credence to "Satan", but science is based off of physical laws of nature. Science also says healing without God is possible. Who does science give credence to? Because thanks to science we cured many diseases and made many new discoveries and if that is the work of the devil , then it really shows god's true colors.

Have a good one guys, and seriously truthy? I think you should apologize to the ppl for you being misguided & step away. Not flesh & blood, remember? Otherwise why not just remove the "Jesus" tag from your t-shirt if the bible means nothing to you.

Just a few moments ago you were talking about ass-beatings instead of "turning the other cheek", so much for god being consistent:

the consequences of that ass-beating that entity will receive by truthy's guardians will be severe, and will be reciprocated on YOU. (I've seen/heard of this. Those in the field know this is true, ask around if you don't buy it)

schadenfreude is basically saying be a slave to Jesus Christ or suffer the consequences... nothing new here *yawn*

Originally posted by NorEaster

Originally posted by thruthseek3r

Originally posted by chrismarco
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Well pack your bags and head to salem..lots of wichcraft in my neck of the woods....they seem ok in my opinion...I think you need to refocus you energy...quite sure witches are not the problem today...

I quite truly think the thing to be the opposite, I think witchcraft has to be dealt with if we are to stop in a way wickedness.


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I would think that shutting down rampant human greed and self-entitlement would be much more effective than hunting down "witches" if what you really want is for humanity to "stop in a way of wickedness". Shut down the briefcase crowd. They're the ones spreading misery from one end of the globe to the other. Witches don't even exist, if what you mean by witches is what I think you mean by witches. Witches won't steal your home and your future from you. Witches won't swindle you out of years worth of premiums and then throw a team of lawyers at you when you try to collect on the exact deal that they made with you when you get sick. Witches won't scuttle your nation's entire treasury and terrorize your society as they do so to keep anyone from figuring out what's happening.

Get with the ugly truth about the human being, and what it does to its own on this planet. There's plenty of vengeance due for all that's become of life on Earth, but it's crap like "witches" and "demons" that give cover for the real malignancies that spread their diseases while folks like you work to distract attention with your centuries-old craziness. Hell, and the real villains of this world don't even have to pay you to run cover for them. They got a pretty sweet deal going with you people.

I think greed is a real problem, and illusion of power in this 3rd dimensional realm. As for the witches, I m pretty sure you are aware of what they are as you are very aware of the world after death do not you? First, the fool as a picture I know a bit more about you and I remember that thread of yours where you talked about this conversation of yours with your friend Chetty, if you remember what I am talking about.

Anything you might know, and I know you do, would be appreciated on the topic of witchcraft even by how deep the problem is, it does not matter it will be taken care of, you have my word on it.




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wow somebody spoke to me, thanks

I didn't fully understand your post.

But, I am in no position to judge anyone.

Originally posted by arpgme
Magic/Witchcraft is using Intention/Energy in order to manipulate reality.

Christians do this all the time. They pray to have someone to be in their religion even though they claim they believe in free-will. In reality it is psychic attack.

Well, there is a big difference between magic and prayer. According here again to The Free Dictionary by Farlex magic can refer to :

n. 1. The art that purports to control or forecast natural events, effects, or forces by invoking the supernatural.

2. a. The practice of using charms, spells, or rituals to attempt to produce supernatural effects or control events in nature.
b. The charms, spells, and rituals so used.

3. The exercise of sleight of hand or conjuring for entertainment.

4. A mysterious quality of enchantment: "For me the names of those men breathed the magic of the past" (Max Beerbohm).

adj. 1. Of, relating to, or invoking the supernatural: "stubborn unlaid ghost/That breaks his magic chains at curfew time" (John Milton).

2. Possessing distinctive qualities that produce unaccountable or baffling effects. tr.v. mag·icked, mag·ick·ing, mag·ics To produce or make by or as if by magic.

I must take note that in these definition there is no mention of God in any manner.


The definition of prayer according again the same source:

n.1. a. A reverent petition made to God, a god, or another object of worship.

b. The act of making a reverent petition to God, a god, or another object of worship.

2. An act of communion with God, a god, or another object of worship, such as in devotion, confession, praise, or thanksgiving: One evening a week, the family would join together in prayer.

3. A specially worded form used to address God, a god, or another object of worship.

4. prayers A religious observance in which praying predominates: morning prayers.

5. a. A fervent request: Her prayer for rain was granted at last.

b. The thing requested: His safe arrival was their only prayer.

6. The slightest chance or hope: In a storm the mountain climbers won't have a prayer.

7. Law a. The request of a complainant, as stated in a complaint or in equity, that the court grant the aid or relief solicited.

b. The section of the complaint or bill that contains this request.

Here, the difference we can clearly see the mention of God which is the big difference between the two. Although we need to be careful with this definition which includes God because it mentions the word Worship, by which I tend to disagree a bit. The reason is: a prayer does not mean absolutely you are worshipping something.

An ATSer previously said in the thread he would pray for me, is it worship of me? Yours to decide but I do not think so.



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Originally posted by thruthseek3r


3. A specially worded form used to address God, a god, or another object of worship.

Like the word Amen?

As in Amen Ra?

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Well Arpgme, you seem to have a good grasp on the topic and therefore I salute you. Although I must make clear that the so said 5 wounds of Christ you refer to might be real, but the pentagram usually refer the 5 elements here on earth and I wish not to go further, on this topic it is talking about a witchcraft symbol here again which I do not want to do.



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Originally posted by Gazrok
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How do you define witchcraft?

One day a week, millions of Americans gather together and chant...the lead practitioner holds up a chalice and beseeches an otherworldly being to magically transform the chalice's contents into blood. He then calls upon the same being to magically transform crackers into human flesh...all to be consumed by the ritual's participants...

Is this witchcraft? Actually, I just described Communion in the Catholic Church....

People who live in glass houses, and all of that....

In essence, witchcraft isn't much different than "new age" ideas like the law of attraction, etc. It isn't about good or evil, it's about trying to influence the Universe to be what you want it to be. Those who have used it successfully? Well, hard to argue with results.... Magic's "good" or "evil" is all about the intent of the practitioner.

Not exactly, and this is simply because the issue of power which inevitably leads to corruption is what almost always result inside of this practice so this is why it must be banished. Good intent at the beginning but the corruption has already started, by the time you realize it.



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Originally posted by sulaw
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Whilst I know not the experiances you incurred. I will say, fellow human don't you know there are "good witches" and there are "bad witches"... Harm non lest ye be harmed. That being said, if you "did" something to disturb a witch then... Sir.... Ma'am... Anything you have coming towards you is already justified. And staging a "stand" against those that would have otherwise left you alone... Well. now. Sir... Ma'am... You might want to re-think your stance and "Live and Let, Live". Lead a honest life, don't mind the broom in the corner and DON'T TAUNT THE WITCHES~

Warlock if your a man, or most preffered "Wiccan"

Good Day to you sir, ma'am~

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There are no warlocks, it is just another name given to the man practicing witchcraft, but they are still witch, male witch. As to the witches, I tell you I will not stop until my job is done, this for freedom of humanity and the weak, this for cleanliness of the soul.



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Originally posted by NavyDoc

Originally posted by SaturnFX
I spent a number of years in my 20s exploring such things. magicks, wicca, various pagan beliefs, earth magic circles, etc etc etc, hell, even proper satanism...was truly interested in the subject. I explored many areas along the east coast in general (from Mass to Florida, eventually over to England).

I have never, ever seen any magic from any place I looked. I seen a lot of delusional people, but nope, not a single working spell, nothing that could even remotely be considered out of the ordinary.

So...I am skeptical. Have you personally seen anything (repeatable) that simply defies explanation?

I have had a very similar experience. Witchcraft/wicca may be malarkey and some people might be delusional about it, but if it makes them happy and they don't hurt anybody, what do I care? Everybody has their thing.

Actually, it hurts the practitioners themselves, a former satanist which left the coven was very clear on that and explained it very well in one video posted in the thread earlier. 1:50 to 3:00 and you willl have a brief description of it.



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I feel that both rituals and prayer are for amateurs.

There is no reality other than the perceived reality of the individual, and even individual realities are the result of a grand illusion.

There is only one power... Will-Power, which drives everything.
Like a nuclear reaction, willpower can be used to heal or harm.

If one prays for harm, it's often said they're praying to 'The Devil'... while if one prays for healing it is said they're praying to 'God.'

What you are really praying to, invoking, etc. are the powers of polarity, positive and negative.
Such duality is a game we play with ourselves in this grand illusion.

Any results from ritual and dogma are simply a placebo effect. Mind is the true source, and 'we all' share it.

Even to pray for the healing of another is to deny their right to learn from suffering, and to ease our own worry. All magick is mental, and all desires are egocentric and vain.

Originally posted by St Udio
the traditional view was that witch or warlock were able to manipulate nature, the natural world order...


the old and new testament Deity/God is chock full of plagues, pestilences, floods, all sorts of weather phenomena being wrought on certain kings or peoples

reanimating dead corpses, changing the molecular nature of water to taste like wine, etc etc

all these wraths or 'miracles' were acts of witchcraft or sorcery...despite the attempt by organized religion to distance those biblical acts of strangeness from magic and sorcery and the culture of witches/warlocks/sorcerers


even today, the global warming and climate change should be thought of in the sense of 'witchcraft' based changes to the environment


no-man-is-an-island-unto-themself.... so do not shut yourself into a box and be totally against 'witches' because it (the craft) is an intergal part of the natural world around all of us, you included

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The craft is to witches, Satan is their master believe it or not this is the case. I am not in the known of the original deity although Satan might be because I heard somewhere that there was fight going on between Adonai and the other Serpent God which I do not remember its name. It goes back to Hiram-Abiff conversation with Lamech, the son of Tubal-Cain. Although I do not wish to get into those details as I am getting a bit out of the topic.



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