Since everyone understands that everything you post can be identified by the NSA, will you still say

I just want to go on record as saying I never cheat on my taxes, and if anyone gives me cash I always report it.

If you don't dissent, they already won.

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Of course, who else is owed tax returns?

I don't think it matters what you say unless its out and out threats or you pin point there agenda timing a little to close.

Point being the government as a whole for a very long time now are so in your face with corruption and shredding the constitution now a days they have already pinpointed the "A" list and everyone else is cannon fodder.

If I had to guess the only thing left is for them to get up off the pot.

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Well I was kind of aware of this for over a decade now. More advanced fine tuning of the machinations,
but the premise is the same. In fact, I believe the currently exposed systems to the populace
are actually semi obsolete. As far as exorcising my freedom of speech, I will most certainly continue
to do so. The fact that some of our ideas,thoughts, and concepts are STOLEN for others to capitalize
on without ANY agreed upon nor understood compensation is the main issue that restrains me from
sharing more.

I will share what I can free of charge up to a certain point.
I have expenses and creditors to pay. These entities certainly are not "sharing any leeway" with me.
They take every Iota of personal information from me that they can, and sell it for top dollar.

Sadly to say, that goes for You All here on ATS as well.
Yet, there are some risks worth taking. Communication with you all is one of them.

Excellent Thread! S&F Thought Provoking Good Work!

Maybe I should call My Cousin Vinny :www.youtube.com...
Get The Picture?

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
It is pretty well understood by everyone, now, that anything you say, even on an "Anonymous" site, and even with proxy IP's, can be traced back to you. Knowing that, will you REALLY still say exactly what you think, especially in light of the fact that the current administration is using the IRS to harass and punish people that don't agree with them? I'd like ATS members to be brutally honest in answering this question, and not just bluster.

(My response to the OP and an attempt to illustrate my brutally honest continuing lack of fear of the NSA or any other affiliated agencies) :

I really love when people pose questions like this, because it is America! We can still (sort of) do this

I am definitely one of those people that is not afraid of the NSA or any other corrupt and immoral agency of the United States.. (There are probably a few good NSA agents and other people in different agencies that are honest and integrity minded, just to be fair..)

Eric Holders department of justice? hardy har har Mr. Holder, I was wondering what it feels like to have the job you do, and know at the same time what a complete and utter corrupt scumbag you are.. Same with you Mr. President'e What is it like to corrupt our United States like you have done and are still doing?

How did it feel to give guns to cartel people just to try and squash gun rights but got Brian Terry killed? And then pretend you all knew nothing about it, but still stonewall congress and then commit perjury and contempt to boot, right in front of America front row, while most Americans know what filthy liars you both are?

When I think of you running the Dept. of Justice Mr. Holder, I compare it to someone running a lemonade stand, but instead of lemonade, they are selling cow crap and even getting people to buy it.. This describes you perfectly Mr. Holder..

This also describes our current president and the one prior, and the one prior, but we can just stick with the present for now..

Getting in that president's chair and then appointing all the federal reserve bank people into top cabinet posts and giving Van Jones that cushy job even though he is a very outspoken hater of America and a dyed in the wool commie, but then quickly removing him when everyone discovered who and what he was.. At least publically removing him, but keeping him on the payroll still to this day.

Being buddies with known mafia members and exchanging favors and gifts with them to this day.. What is it like to be someone who despises America for what it is, but loves it for the wealth it has given you and your family.. Do your kids know that their daddy is a commie and a Marxist loving criminal? Con artist, child killer, hard drug user, is there even a single thing about you Mr. President that isn't deviant and corrupt?

Okay, I think I have shown a good example of my lack of fear of the NSA.. Now does anyone know the phone number to a Non NSA affiliated witness protection program?

I have personally never been arrested and have no record of any kind, but after this post, I'll probably end up on some list.. Ill check my own FBI file in a few months and see what it shows if anything..

Originally posted by ProfEmeritus
There are still quality threads. You just have to look for them. Yes, there are threads that lack quality, but would you rather have censorship, where the mods decide whether a thread has "quality"? There are pearls among the grains of sand here.

no, never censorship.. and you're right ProfEmeritus but the "quality threads" that brought me here and eventually lead to me becoming a member are few and far between now but it's those few that are still keeping me here so we'll see what the future brings.. i appreciate your contributions as well.

Originally posted by Hefficide
reply to post by ProfEmeritus

 

Them watching does nothing to inhibit my morals of my view of the truth. So, Yes... I continue to speak my mind. In fact I never stopped and I have been away of cyber spying programs for quite a number of years.

I have nothing to hide and damn well refuse to start hiding that which shouldn't be hidden.

I would say exactly the same...

I have probably been monitored for quite a while now because i have typed "key words"... however, i have a clear conscience and nothing whatsoever to hide too and know that personally i am not a danger... just a curious and I like to believe fairly intelligent person who tries not to be part of the "herd" with my own brain that works for itself and hopefully has not yet been contaminated by mass "thinking", so to speak!

HOWEVER... i do personally believe that something is going on in the bacon import/export business as we still cannot get decent bacon over here in France!!!!... THAT.... is a real bummer!

Kindest respects

Rod

If anyone is going to do something to you (generally speaking), they're either going to do it because you're stupid or because you're smart. Which would you rather have it?

We'll, I'm portuguese. I don't care what NSA, FBI, CIA, Interpol or Al Qaeda know about me, I'm a self made citizen that has a daytime job, enjoys a responsible drink and likes to create some music. I don't do stuff against my local law so I shouldn't be worried by commenting on conspiracy websites.

My thoughts on it are, by my estimation of how things in the US are going if I say nothing I'm already running a 60-65% chance of finding myself in a camp should things change. By speaking out now, I give myself a 100% chance of going to a camp if things change, but by speaking out I have a chance at preventing that from happening in the first place. I happen to own a few discussion forums, and I make absolutely certain that people talk about these things (and preferably see it my way), so I'm probably one of the more outspoken people out there.

Plus, it's not illegal to read, write, or speak about issues currently... by not using that ability you remove any meaning from losing it in the first place should things go downhill.

Also, the original question is phrased wrong, the NSA knows not just what you post, but what you read. Someone who reads a bunch of pro/anti-x literature is just as bad as the person speaking out about it. Essentially, reading this website along with some others already makes you a future victim, you might as well speak out now while you can.

Originally posted by boymonkey74
I don't give a monkeys uncle about what I type on the net to be honest, just because I believe in a couple of conspiracy theories and Iam not a bad guy I highly doubt that they give a toss about me.
I do all my secret stuff the old fashioned way....carrier pigeon and lemon juice on paper.

edit on 5-8-2013 by boymonkey74 because: (no reason given)

But the receipts for all those lemons and bags of bird seed.

you are either making funky crackers, or you're up to something. I want to know what!

*shifty eyes*

What we learn here more than anything really, is that people think they're important enough to warrant specific observation.

You're NOISE. nothing more.

And if you make a splash, then you're probably asking to be looked at, kinda like running around in public yelling "I've got a bomb!" will get you some dudes in a uniform take you to some other dudes in white coats.

Standing on a street corner holding an "The end is nigh" sign usually elicits stares of disbelief and a quickening of motion as people pass you by. You don't suddenly become James Bond with Chaos agents after you...

(yes yes I know, two super spy references mixed into one, you have to know how to word your text or else the nsas will come and escort you to the big house with the funny chair!)

I always say exactly what I feel/think. Always have, always will. Of course, I'm not engaged in any illegal activity, and I'm largely a pacifist so I probably don't set off the same alarm bells that, say, someone advocating civil war or revolution would.

That said, at the end of the day we all live and we all die. I would like to think that in what time I have in this world, I will always be able to speak my mind. I have yet to be confronted with a situation where my speech would be seen as something such systems might flag, but if I were, I'd like to believe I'd say it anyway.

That said, I would also understand if people wanted to protect themselves by censoring or more carefully considering their words, unfortunate though that may be.

Peace.

Probably mentioned before, but like the "if everyone flushed the toilet the same time" theory, how about a world-wide spam the net with NSA red-flag words? Make a site on FB and see if we can get a world-wide "Skynet Overload" with everyone spamming a word or two as fast as they can. Nearly illiterate when it comes to texting, tweets, and FB anyways, so no threat to the web terrorism and couch potato community. Peace and Godspeed, Xenongod

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I'm honestly not worried about the prospect of my posting flagging me for any undo attention.

What I do worry about is a near future where maybe I get pulled over by a cop for a broken tail light or something mundane and then end up in a holding cell because my posting habits flagged me for an "interview" of some kind.

The potentials for abuse of absolute monitoring of the data stream are so many in number that there is no limit... Mr Winofiend, we've called you in today because it appears that little Timmy sent out some FB updates last night which contained foul language. Of course he's being expelled for violating the student code of conduct and social services will be coming to your home within the next 72 hours to begin their evaluation of your home environment...."

These types of things already happen now with limited data stream access... just when nosey people stumble upon them or some busy body makes a big deal about it just to cause drama.

I don't think we're too far from a world where Wal Mart and McDonalds start saying things like "We'd love to hire you part time, for minimum wage, but our background investigations shows that four years ago you had an inappropriate sexual chat on FB with a woman in Tasmania,,, therefore we cannot hire you due to our corporate image guidelines"

reply to post by ProfEmeritus

I certainly shall continue to state exactly what I think, regardless of who may be monitoring my words. After all, if we pander to the "watchers" by modifying our online behaviour to become the good little sycophants that they seem to want to create, we may as well give up now.

Hey NSA - in the words of my generation UP YOURS.

reply to post by ProfEmeritus


Attention NSA: please be informed that this text has been encrypted using super-secret, highly sophisticated mathematical algorithms. When decrypted, this text will reveal the secret to happiness.

I will share what I can free of charge up to a certain point. I have expenses and creditors to pay. These entities certainly are not "sharing any leeway" with me. They take every Iota of personal information from me that they can, and sell it for top dollar. Sadly to say, that goes for You All here on ATS as well. Yet, there are some risks worth taking. Communication with you all is one of them.

reply to post by Wildmanimal

Excellent points. All of us are indebted to others in some way. This situation has been building for decades now. When I was a child, a long, long time ago, in a far-a-way place, my family and all that we knew, had no credit cards, and minimal mortgages compared to today. Today, look at these statistics:

The average US household credit card debt stands at $15,325, the result of a small number of deeply indebted households forcing up the numbers. Based on an analysis of Federal Reserve statistics and other government data, the average household owes $7,149 on their cards; looking only at indebted households, the average outstanding balance rises to $15,325. Here are statistics, trends, studies and methodology behind the average U.S. household debt. Current as of July 2013

www.nerdwallet.com...

People are up to their necks, for the most part, in debt, and of course, "our" government makes us look like misers. (I put our in quotes, because I don't believe that it is our government any more, but a government of the rich, elite and powerful.) Thomas Jefferson would have a heart attack if he were alive today, to see the mess we are in, and the tyranny being perpetrated on us today is abhorrent.