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Brainwashed?
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Indigo5
On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C
Washington DC DOJ Holder.
So Yeah
??? And three sentences down from that very paragraph you provided...
Those at the meeting apparently did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but Phoenix ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals
BS much??
But those at the meeting, which included a Justice Department official, did not want to stop the illegal gun sales until they had something to show for their efforts. Hoover suggested a "30-day, 60-day or 90-day" exit plan that would shut Fast and Furious down for good — just as soon as there were some indictments.
But indictments did not come for another 10 months. By then, two semiautomatics had been recovered after a U.S. Border Patrol agent was killed south of Tucson, and nearly 200 had been found at crime scenes in Mexico.
Originally posted by Indigo5
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Indigo5
Benghazi was not a "Scandal"...it was a terrorist attack and tragedy.
It became a scandal when the administration lied about why and how it happened.
But they didn't lie....That is just the absolute fact of it after 11 + investigations and hearings.
The concept that they lied has been adopted by the right wing, while the facts show the opposite.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Indigo5
Thanks for the information on "Operation Wide Receiver", as I was not familiar with it.
Unfortunately, it didn't keep Obama from using an Executive Order to keep from handing over documentation from the DOJ regarding Fast and Furious and their level of knowledge on it
and I know for a fact that Holder lied about WHEN he became aware of the program. I viewed transcripts of him talking about it in speeches after he denied having known about it at all.
Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by Stormdancer777
Brainwashed?
It's something willful,wanting blind ignorance is my guess they buy everything he says without question.
Every where I look they claim to be the 'smartest' people in the room I have yet to see any of them ever prove it.
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Stormdancer777
The truth is, someone really does need to try and sweep the current administration's dirt under a rug if they want any of the other Democrats to have a chance during the next mid-term election. That's the ONLY reason I can think of that someone would try to defend Obama right now.
For the love of god, they read the forum they know what is happening in his administration.
Originally posted by kozmo
What are you smoking!!! The edited talking points have been published.
They PROVE that the administration made every attempt to cover up the true nature of the attack.
Originally posted by kozmo
Pleas were made for months for improved security at the consulate given the nature of the TERRORIST threat - pleas that went unanswered.
Originally posted by kozmo
When the attack occurred, pleas were made for help. Orders were given to "Stand down" - orders that can only come from the White House. Orders that have been confirmed through Congressional testimony.
Originally posted by kozmo
I get it, you are completely entitled to your opinion. You are entitled to not see this as a scandal. However, you are NOT entitled to your own facts.
Originally posted by kozmo
That said, you make a BOLD claim: "The concept that they lied has been adopted by the right wing, while the facts show the opposite." I'll be waiting for you to publish the alleged facts!
Discussing the operation in high level terms and knowing that the group was gun-walking are two different things. I have even seen conservative sites acknowledge that the "holder lied" bit is BS.
ISSA: When did you first know about the program officially I believe called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?
ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.
I was just thinking about that myself, what does it profit a person to so adamantly defend Obama?
Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by neo96
This is the model of modern progressivism. You cannot be responsible for anything because you are simply a victim!
The problems in the black community have nothing to do with not taking advantage of education opportunities, the breakdown of the family, the glorification of crime - NOPE! None of those things matter because they are VICTIMS! Of what? I have no idea. But they are!
This is the primary difference between Conservativism and Progressivism. Conservatives believe in personal responsibility. Progressives believe that everything is someone else's fault. Using our best "Adult" thinking-caps, which system is most likely to yield a successful society?
But audio of a May Groundswell meeting obtained by C&L from a source who wishes to remain anonymous...
Originally posted by Deetermined
reply to post by Indigo5
Discussing the operation in high level terms and knowing that the group was gun-walking are two different things. I have even seen conservative sites acknowledge that the "holder lied" bit is BS.
Here's what Holder said on May 3, 2011...
ISSA: When did you first know about the program officially I believe called Fast and Furious? To the best of your knowledge, what date?
ERIC HOLDER, U.S. ATTORNEY GENERAL: I'm not sure of the exact date, but I probably heard about Fast and Furious for the first time over the last few weeks.
www.realclearpolitics.com...
So, in March 2010, Hoover holds an "emergency meeting" that included a Justice Department official regarding Fast and Furious, yet Holder never even heard about it until over a year later?
Acting Deputy Director William Hoover called an emergency meeting and said he wanted an "exit strategy" to shut down the program. The Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives for decades had dedicated itself to stopping illegal gun-trafficking of any kind. Now it was allowing illegal gun purchases on the Southwest border and letting weapons "walk" unchecked into Mexico.
But those at the meeting, which included a Justice Department official, did not want to stop the illegal gun sales until they had something to show for their efforts. Hoover suggested a "30-day, 60-day or 90-day" exit plan that would shut Fast and Furious down for good — just as soon as there were some indictments.
Originally posted by kozmo
reply to post by Indigo5
Come on! You SAYING it, doesn't make ANY of it fact!
I followed it closely. NONE of your claims hold any water. SHOW me FACTS. I'm not interested in your spin!
Especially after the 8 years of anti-Bush bellyaching.