Scientists Discover What's Killing the Bees and it's Worse than You Thought

Originally posted by lincolnparadox
reply to post by Realtruth

 

Domesticated honeybees are not the only pollinators. Wild bees, solitary or colonial, are just as effective as apiary honeybees.

The biggest difference is that when you create habitat for wild bees, noone is making money. Bee keepers will bring their hives to your orchard/field to pollinate your crop. This is expensive, but necessary. If farmers familiarized themselves with how to create wild bee habitat near their crops, then the wild bees would thrive and they would save themselves one more cost.

You are correct.

And you are correct about the wild bees they are very hardy and I have a few wild hives that I've had for 20+ years, but the fact still remains that bees are dying on a global scale.

There could be many factors, such as inbreed genetic traits that leave that particular variety susceptible to pesticides, fungus and other diseases that their wild cousins are not, but that fact remains they are losing lot of bees.

The problem with wild bees is they are not as easy a one thinks to move or propagate in an orchard so to speak, they like a particular environment and will only stay there if it's right, whereas the European Honey Bee are much more docile and easy to work with.

I have an orchard myself of fruit trees in Michigan, so I understand bees, but I am a very very rare bread myself and most of my counterparts here in Michigan have no ambitions, or even care to tend to bees.

I can say without a doubt Bees do die, but not on the scale they have been in the last 10 years and rising, so they are definitely an indicator of something that is happen to the environment.

reply to post by Realtruth


I am not surprised at all. You know that, if all the bees die, we die as well, right?

Morgellons

Links of theory of Morgellons connected w/Bee disappearance

In google, these are the args used:

bees morgellons (link* | connnect*)

Another reference to Einstein and his statement on bee disappearance:

A variant - "Professor Einstein, the learned scientist, once calculated that if all bees disappeared off the earth, four years later all humans would also have disappeared" - appears in The Irish Beekeeper, v.19-20, 1965-66, p74, citing Abeilles et Fleurs (Bees and Flowers, the house magazine of Union Nationale de l'Apiculture Française) for June 1965. Snopes.com mentions its use in a beekeepers' protest in 1994 in Europe [7] suggesting invention and attribution to Einstein for political reasons.

To be honest, I've been listening/reading about it for a long time. Nobody (by this I do not mean ATS members) has proposed a definitive solution(s) to this issue or done anything about it. Its like several other studies which are published by the scientific communities but we continue to see them re-surface all the time.

reply to post by Realtruth


Thanks for the info and the linkage. S & F.

I've seen this quote a million times...

“If the bee disappeared off the face of the earth, man would only have four years left to live.”


― Albert Einstein

... and, have still never seen any corroborating evidence that he ever spoke these words.

reply to post by Realtruth


Sounds like an EASY Monsanto/Chemtrail connect the dots to me. Did somebody say Soylent GREEN?

reply to post by SquirrelNutz


Most likely he did not say it, but I threw it in there for fun.

Who knows I wasn't alive when Einstein was around, and even if I was I most likely never heard everything he said.

Originally posted by Realtruth
reply to post by SquirrelNutz

 

Most likely he did not say it, but I threw it in there for fun.

Who knows I wasn't alive when Einstein was around, and even if I was I most likely never heard everything he said.

Well, it's probably a good thing you did because this is scary stuff we are talking about. Some people might need something to nitpick about, as a psychological defense mechanism. And there's been a lot of quibbling about it.

Maybe it is time for man to make leave off this planet like the dodo bird, so to let another species of life here on earth fix what man has destroyed. Unfortunately, I think man has pushed past the point of no return for anything else. Wow, talk about selfish!

reply to post by lincolnparadox

I don't mean to offend but almost everybody I talk to sounds like the typical PBS enviro-activist; they do not farm in the countryside and do not understand our reality. Good natural habitat is desirable but rare. We used to have wild honeybees in trees until my neighbors started buying Monsanto corn, spraying weed killers, etc. They have no fruit trees and do not truck farm and couldn't care less about bees. The gov't protects mosquito breeding areas (draining low areas or making ponds there is now a crime) and regularly sprays malathion for mosquitoes. Neither domestic or wild bees can survive that and my livestock suffer from it. Our habitat has become as sick as metro-sexual habitat.

Einstein never said that, unless someone can tell us about his career studying bees which backs this up?

Watching all the discussions whether or not pesticides are the problem of the bee hives die-offs . The fact hives are depleting very fast is noticed right?

Can we as the public not create bee hives in our own gardens to strengthen the hives to grow population?

Originally posted by 0bserver1

Can we as the public not create bee hives in our own gardens to strengthen the hives to grow population?

Great question!

The answer is absolutely, if fact, most cities in the US allow this, some have permits required. The metro Detroit area I know many many people that have multiple hives in the city.

The typical hive in a southern area can yield 70 to 80 pounds per year, northern areas about 40 to 70 pounds, at 4 bucks a pound for organic raw honey I know people that actually pay their home taxes with the money they make off of 4 or 5 hives.

Managing 4 or 5 hives is no big deal at all, and finding people to buy your honey will be pretty easy.

If anyone would like info on how to start your own hive, I can actually do a "How to Thread" if enough people are interested on ATS.

I can only say that once you start, you'll Bee hooked.

They are amazingly intelligent and friendly little guys that will astound even the most experienced beekeeper.

Ones again science's is putting nature at risk, it's not the first nor the last time this will happen, It's a god damn shame that brilliant people dissolve to these kinds of act's. They are messing with stuff that they have no clue what it does.

Originally posted by Zcustosmorum

Originally posted by AlphaHawk
reply to post by Zcustosmorum

 

Phage beat me to it, but yeah, you should look up what the suffix "cide" means.

edit on 25-7-2013 by AlphaHawk because: (no reason given)

Oh no, it's a Phage groupie

quote]Originally posted by Phage

Oh no it's someone who constantly points out a person that agrees with Phage and labels them. :-D

For the record, I agree with Phage here.

Bees, as many insects, are such a prolific species on the planet. Some 20 odd thousand types or whatever, silly number really. I can't see them ever dying out, they simply move to places that suit them better. As for the LOCAL effect of a mass evacuation of pollinating bee species, well that would be another thing altogether. Best to protect the bees, wherever they are

Oh, and by the way, who wouldn't love these guys with their fur coats and messy eating habits ?

en.wikipedia.org...

reply to post by Zcustosmorum


Exactly, me too!
And not only will it be a ton of lawsuits, bees are super important to the whole ecosystem and pollination of plants.

reply to post by Realtruth


GMOs. Man's intervention of creation of food, or a means to give health.

If a GMO, such as a corn crop, has a mechanism to target ALL insects, they would include bees. In other words, someone doesn't want us to be of good and vigorous health.

Star for you, sir.

Plus, I like bees wax, it's a great way for a liquid bandage and hand cream. Kill the bees, and you just killed one of the greatest band-aids ever.

Originally posted by WhiteAlice
Well, this is really disheartening. Colony collapse is destroying the bee populations and not just within the US. It's been a very serious problem in the EU as well. The EU has actually adopted bans on the insecticides that are being incriminated as playing a role in colony collapse. From an ecological standpoint, colony collapse is a nightmare disaster as bees are a primary pollinator. There are other types of pollination that can go on (wind, water) but bees are still number one in efficiency. If they wipe out, we will be in very serious trouble.

Yet, several pages of arguments regarding the providence of a potential Einstein quote is what occurs in this thread here. Somehow quibbling about the providence of one man's words trumps the reality that our bees are dying. Blows me away. I'm beginning to think that whatever may come, humanity most likely deserves.

That's the intent...to distract from the issue at hand. Phage has explained to us all how Einstein didn't say we'd have four years left if the bees die off, but yet, I'm left wondering if our modern day ATS Einstein can tell us if the point he is trying to make is that we have nothing to worry about...once again! Through all of Phage's one-liners in this thread, I haven't been able to figure out what he believes...are bees really dying off or not, and if so, whether we have four years or plenty more.

the same website claims GlaxoSmithKline are chinese, so take this bee story for what its worse.