Scientists Discover What's Killing the Bees and it's Worse than You Thought

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by superman2012

 

How many have round up ready seed though?

What does that have to do with the topic? Do you see glyphosate (or glyposate resistant GMOs mentioned in the study?) But both Dupont and Syngenta produce herbicide resistant GMOs.

But maybe this would be a good time to repeat a quote from the study which I posted earlier. Bee keepers seem to be more dangerous to bees than pesticide treated crops.

In our study and those listed above, pesticides applied by beekeepers to control hive pests were present in a large proportion of the samples, often in quantities higher than most of the pesticides that are applied to crops.

www.plosone.org...

Still doesn't explain why many of us bee keepers that use "Zero" pesticides are losing hives.

Plenty of bee keepers use nothing and still have strange hive loss.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by Realtruth

 

And to combat the issue companies will build a GMO Bee to be resistant to the pesticides.

Right?

Why worry nothing could go wrong there right?

Wow that's a very frightening thought!

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Hmmm... well, it seems it's between the bees and huge, wealthy agribusinesses and their main sources of income... been nice, and thanks for all the honey.

reply to post by ThePublicEnemyNo1

And to combat the issue companies will build a GMO Bee to be resistant to the pesticides. Right? Why worry nothing could go wrong there right?

It already sorta happened. Remember the Africanized bee scare from decades ago? A scientist in Brazil was studying and breeding aggressive, hardy African bees and they got loose and once they reached the Southwest U.S. everyone lost their crap?

It seems they never loose their aggressiveness no matter how diluted their pedigree becomes. We still live with them in an uneasy truce. They kill the random person or pet when some loud noise or motor hum freaks them out, but they are tough little guys who, so far, seem to have resisted all efforts to intentionally kill them.

Well, this is really disheartening. Colony collapse is destroying the bee populations and not just within the US. It's been a very serious problem in the EU as well. The EU has actually adopted bans on the insecticides that are being incriminated as playing a role in colony collapse. From an ecological standpoint, colony collapse is a nightmare disaster as bees are a primary pollinator. There are other types of pollination that can go on (wind, water) but bees are still number one in efficiency. If they wipe out, we will be in very serious trouble.

Yet, several pages of arguments regarding the providence of a potential Einstein quote is what occurs in this thread here. Somehow quibbling about the providence of one man's words trumps the reality that our bees are dying. Blows me away. I'm beginning to think that whatever may come, humanity most likely deserves.

Originally posted by grey580
reply to post by Realtruth

 

And to combat the issue companies will build a GMO Bee to be resistant to the pesticides.

Right?

Why worry nothing could go wrong there right?

That is precisely what is being considered. Monsanto purchased a company called "beelogics" which was leading research into genetically modifying bees to improve their health and make them more resistant to pesticides.

The Fox buys the Chicken Coop

To the OP: The presence of the microspordium, Nosema cerenae is really very intriguing. What the OP article doesn't state is that N. cerenae is actually a fungus and that is the intensely interesting part to me due to bats. We don't think a whole about bats but bats are dying off by the millions as well right now due to another fungi called Geomyces destructans. WNS infected bat caves kill off around 90% of all the bats living within the infected cave. So far, upwards of over 5 million bats have died over the last several years.

So you have two different species that live in relatively enclosed environments succumbing to two fatal fungi. G. destructans is a winter time fungi that flourishes in temperatures ranging between 39 to 59 F (4-15C). That would be a fairly mild winter that would lead G. destructans to flourish. N. cerenae is less temperature dependent but the other fungi that has been associated with bee death is Nosema apis. Nosema apis, like G. destructans, prefers milder winters.

I don't think the two species living in enclosed areas being afflicted by members of the fungi family as being coincidental. Both Nosema and Geomyces have spores that are capable of long dormancy until conditions improve for the fungi to flourish. Apparently, conditions are improving and that means the climate has changed. Makes me wonder what other interesting little surprises Mother Nature is going to bring out.

I have been reading about these bee die-offs for years, and the thing that creeps me out the most is that if the herbicide/fungicide/whatever-cide pollution is cumulative , which would mean the bees will keep dying until the levels fade.
Gee, wonder if it has anything to do with the rise in food prices?. We may have just about destroyed ourselves.
No worries, the planet will recover after we are gone.

On the subject of Monsanto and bees

www.abovetopsecret.com...

I believe they were developed by an Israeli scientist/company, and Monsanto bought the tech if my memory is correct

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You are correct ! Its an old legend that he said it.

Rest assured that Monsanto and the likes have conveniently engineered their own modified Bee which has a resistance to Monsanto pesticides and herbicides. .

It makes me wonder about a comment I heard recently at a dinner party one night.

Somebody said that pesticides and herbicides are secretly distributed via jet streams. I personally can't understand such a comment, because I don't know how it's possible, but if its true.....

Well lets hope their GMO Bee isn't too far away from completion.

I have a nest of bumblebees in my roof space this year, they have been there a few weeks now.

My local authority has contacts with local beekeepers to collect any swarms on their properties and hive them, but after I rang to ask about this I was told they will only collect honeybees. They offered to send pest control to destroy the nest and bees, but I declined their offer. The bees are not bothering me, and we need our hard-working little pollinator friends. They're not interested in me, they're only interested in their queen. I read up on the web and found out that they'll vacate the nest in a few more weeks to go and hibernate. So I'll leave them bee

In my town, there have been a few residents who have reported a swarm on/in their property this year, myself being one of them, in fact it's the first year I've heard about any swarms in properties in this town. I'm wondering if bees know they're in decline and are beginning to bounce back and swarming more to make up for this decline. Good news if so.

The entrance to the nest in my roof space is just above my sitting room window, they are safe and undisturbed, and I can watch them flying in and out all day long until dusk. They really are fascinating, tireless little critters.

Originally posted by BlueMule
Even if we stopped using those pesticides and fungicides today, it would probably be too late.

/shrug

Don't bet on it that.

Once a particular pressure is off, things rebound with a passion.

We also cannot rule out the Lazarus events too.

If anything, this study shows what a NEGATIVE impact 7 billion people are on this rock.

Derek

This seems to be an extremely efficient and discreet method of de-population. With so much information coming to light about the abundant benefits of consuming honey it's no surprise that tptb would do away with them. Think about it. There is a little bit of every major conspiracy that ties into this: Big pharma, transhumanism, depopulation, GMO foods among many others. What's next? Laced colloidal silver???

So THAT'S how you depopulate the earth. Quietly and without a fuss, no war or mass poisoning or pandemic. Just quietly wipe out the bees and cripple the food supply wipe out agriculture and then let everybody starve off. Nobody can blame anybody. If things get really bad( and they will) then you have the underground bunkers and relocation camps to ride it out. They want to depopulate the cities anyway.
Thanks, Monsanto, New World Order. .Nice job Clinton, Bush, Obama.

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he never said that,,,,,,,,,,,its from a movie that said he said that,,,but he didnt

Originally posted by Phage
reply to post by superman2012

 

How many have round up ready seed though?

What does that have to do with the topic? Do you see glyphosate (or glyposate resistant GMOs mentioned in the study?) But both Dupont and Syngenta produce herbicide resistant GMOs.

But maybe this would be a good time to repeat a quote from the study which I posted earlier. Bee keepers seem to be more dangerous to bees than pesticide treated crops.

In our study and those listed above, pesticides applied by beekeepers to control hive pests were present in a large proportion of the samples, often in quantities higher than most of the pesticides that are applied to crops.

www.plosone.org...

The point I was trying to make was to ask a question in relation to GMO's that are resistant to glyphosate and if others have done the same.
Wasn't there a study done on bees dying and they linked it to corn that had been sprayed? I'll see if I can find it, I know there was a thread on it.

Originally posted by WhiteAlice

So you have two different species that live in relatively enclosed environments succumbing to two fatal fungi. G. destructans is a winter time fungi that flourishes in temperatures ranging between 39 to 59 F (4-15C). That would be a fairly mild winter that would lead G. destructans to flourish. N. cerenae is less temperature dependent but the other fungi that has been associated with bee death is Nosema apis. Nosema apis, like G. destructans, prefers milder winters.

I don't think the two species living in enclosed areas being afflicted by members of the fungi family as being coincidental. Both Nosema and Geomyces have spores that are capable of long dormancy until conditions improve for the fungi to flourish. Apparently, conditions are improving and that means the climate has changed. Makes me wonder what other interesting little surprises Mother Nature is going to bring out.

Thanks for pointing this out because it is very very important and here is why I think so.

Although I don't believe that pesticide alone are the issue, I do think that they suppress the immune system to a low enough point where the bees are contracting fungal issues, that normally their systems would be able to handle and overcome.

This fungal problem is not synonymous to the bee population, but extends to everything else living and breathing on this plant, so start doing some cross-reference research and everyone will see that their physical ailments are most likely related to a toxic environment.

We need to start waking the hell up.

Our little friends the bees are like the canaries the miners carried into the mines.

Hello the canaries are dying, but it seems that the miners are not paying attention.

Doesn't anyone else remember a story about Monsanto developing ROBOTIC BEES?
I seem to recall it was a few months ago.....
This could be their answer to the bee homicide now taking place......

Only reasonable solution is to find a more natural remedy to bee hive pests and other pests that need controlling in order to grow abundant food supplies. I'm sure there's a solution that can be found in nature, if people could give up using manmade chems that screw with nature's own processes.