Pastor Manning knows ALL the facts - Truth about GZ/Trayvon - Awesome

Originally posted by WonderBoi
I could only stomach 2 minutes of that video, before i started feeling the propaganda. Why do people keep painting GZ as this stand up guy, who was a law abiding citizen, minding his own business, when this "thug" jumped out of nowhere and beat him down?

People, come on now. GZ was arrested MANY times for DOMESTIC VIOLENCE. So, why does that fact elude everyone's moral meter??? And, he blatantly LIED about what happened that night. He contradicted himself on several occasions. His interview with Hannity and his re-enactment video are hardly the same testimonies. Why was that not used against him, in a court of law, when you have the "right to remain silent" and what you say can and WILL BE used against you?

Next, the system will be telling us: 2 + 2 = 5.

You are in gross error. George's one arrest, for interfering with a police officer, the charges were dropped. He was never arrested for domestic violence. His former fiance filed a restraining order against him, and he filed one against her. For this case, he did not lie. His story remained consistent.

reply to post by charles1952


Yeah I know what you are saying the last minute or so my jaw nearly dropped however I have heard that part being quoted before.

I believe you and I have discussed it once before. The only period in my life where I gave religion a chance ended on fathers day weekend where the pastor quoted that scripture for whatever demented reason I guess to show kids how good they have it now.

Anyway I wasn't shocked to hear it being used again just how it was used in this situation.

reply to post by WonderBoi

I am not saying George Zimmerman is a saint nor am I saying he is an angel. However, the point must be brought up, is that what is good for the goose is good for the gander.

During the entire Zimmerman trial, the media held its own trial, convicting the man, without so much as giving him the very right that is guaranteed in the legal system, the very idea that he is innocent, until proven guilty in a court of law. And it was proven time and time again, that the media left things out, or misconstrued the entire evidence to show him as some deranged racists, even deliberately looking and proclaiming him as white.

Well after 3 seperate investigations, which looked at the evidence, and all of the circumstances around such, and a trial, he was found not guilty. The prosecution could not prove in a court of law that he was guilty of any of the charges brought up against him.

But lets look at the victim, and the more that comes out, the more it shows that just maybe, Martin was not so innocent as we were led to believe. Martin, kicked out of school, 17 years old, close to 160 pounds, and trained in mix martial arts? That sounds like a person not many of us would be wanting to get involved with in a fight, unless they are trained. And the time index and his actions would indicate that there was something else that just did not add up.

Neither are angles, or totally innocent.

And how funny it is that just one person gets shot, where one is african American and one is hispanic, and everyone is up in arms, yet the statistics stand up that no one is standing up and crying foul for all of the deaths in Chicago, where it is black on black, nor is there a serious discussion about the fact that the statistics indicatate that the number of violent offenders are of African American, that happens to be 10 times that of both White and Hispanic combined, or that there is a serious problem in the African American community, or that no one wants to do the one thing that I think that most want: Perhaps we the people should take personal responsibility for our actions and stop playing the blame game or looking to the federal government to solve our problems for us.

reply to post by MuzzleBreak
I'm in "gross err", say you? Oh, ok then. Let's just forget about this:

Shocking new allegations have been made about George Zimmerman. An old family friend, whose identity has not been revealed and is only known as Witness 9, has come forth and accused the 28 year old of molesting her when the two were children. The incidents occurred at Zimmerman’s family home when the two were children, starting when she was 6 and he was 8. Their two families were close, usually meeting up at least once a year. She alleges the attacks continued until she was 16. Source

Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by MuzzleBreak

 

I'm in "gross err", say you? Oh, ok then. Let's just forget about this:

Shocking new allegations have been made about George Zimmerman. An old family friend, whose identity has not been revealed and is only known as Witness 9, has come forth and accused the 28 year old of molesting her when the two were children. The incidents occurred at Zimmerman’s family home when the two were children, starting when she was 6 and he was 8. Their two families were close, usually meeting up at least once a year. She alleges the attacks continued until she was 16. Source

Your allegations were shown to be in error, and now you're quoting an unknown person's allegations against GZ??
That's a non-starter.

reply to post by xavi1000


China and all social media along with YouTube is blocked unless it's Weibo which is heavily controlled. Other than that minor inconvenience it's not bad at all. Inflation is starting to hit pretty good though.

Thank you Boymonkey74 for the high points. The sad part is that during the trial they always want to hide things that shine a light on the innocence or guilt of the accused and the victim. Plus they love to plea bargain just to get a conviction. At least here it's different, here they put 100% of the evidence on the table and no plea bargaining which I have always agreed with.

In the case of TM since he could not defend himself in court, then let his record, FaceBook and Tweets speak for him. What we say and what we do speak of who we are and what we aspire to be. Granted teenagers say and do some rather stupid things at times. However, there is always an underlying thread that points to what we are inside. From what I gather provided by Boymonkey74, TM was far from being a typical teenager saying dumb things and did not aspire to be a model citizen but aspired to be a thug and gangster.

With Pastor Manning bringing these points out, of course, is not politically correct neither does it agree with the agenda put forth by the news media or government administration. This is sad as these things should never come into play. It is the truth that counts in an upright society not an agenda. Jackson and Sharpton seek an agenda while Pastor Manning seeks truth.

The facts about the case from what I have read, are that Zimmerman, a neighborhood watch guy approached Martin and ask him what he was doing or something similar. After that, from what I understand Martin punched Zimmerman in the face, breaking his nose then Martin proceeded to beat the carp out of Zimmerman, then worse came to worse. The shooting was clearly self defense and never should have gone to the courts.

I thought this video was quite disturbing.
This man is going to pass judgment on a kid for smoking? And because his Father is living with a woman he's not married to? And because Trayvon got kicked out of school?

And yeah, white people are so great. White people never smoke, or live with people they aren't married to. White kids never get in trouble at school. White mothers never send their misbehaving teenagers to their father's to see if they can help them, because they fear they can't, or because they need a break, or to get them away from a bad crowd they've fallen into.

Rubbish.

I'm not taking any stand on the ruling, I'm just saying, this is not the way. This is bull.

reply to post by MuzzleBreak

How about this, then?

The Miami Herald has dug up some information from George Zimmerman’s Myspace page circa 2005. The paper found some derogatory statements about Mexicans in some of the 28 year old’s postings. Zimmerman listed himself as Latino in the About Me section of the social networking site. You can read the statements he made below:

I dont miss driving around scared to hit mexicans walkin on the side of the street, soft ass wanna be thugs messin with peoples cars when they aint around (what are you provin, that you can dent a car when no ones watchin) dont make you a man in my book. Workin 96 hours to get a decent pay check, gettin knifes pulled on you by every mexican you run into!

Everyone's a "thug"

Attorney’s for George Zimmerman, the man accused of killing 17 year old Trayvon Martin, failed to mention that their client had raised more than $200,000 through donations from a website prior to his bond hearing. Florida Circuit Judge Kenneth Lester now wants to know more about this money, as Zimmerman’s family had claimed they were having trouble raising money for his bond. His father supposedly had to take out a second mortgage on his house to afford the bond.

Y'all still think this guy plays by the "rules"?

If every kid who has done some of the things Treyvon has done, deserved to die and were killed, our high schools would be filled with corpses.

This man actually thanks GZ for killing him.

It's scary wrong.

Originally posted by BellaSabre
If every kid who has done some of the things Treyvon has done, deserved to die and were killed, our high schools would be filled with corpses.

This man actually thanks GZ for killing him.

It's scary wrong.

You missed the part where he was already kicked out of school?

Where his mother kicked him out of her house?

Where he was into MMA and hurting people, and purple drank?

Where he was attempting to kill Zimmerman?

So basically to summarize the video ----

Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed for acting like a typical 17 year old and having a typical 17 year old mindset.

reply to post by WonderBoi


You forgot to mention GZ assaulted a police officer.

I guess the concerned citizens who saw fit to elect him as director of the neighborhood watch thought experience in domestic violence, molestation, and assaulting an officer were a plus.

Obviously they made a smart decision.

Originally posted by muse7
So basically to summarize the video ----

Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed for acting like a typical 17 year old and having a typical 17 year old mindset.

Truly, I stopped watching the video when the pastor called him "A WEED smoker!!!", like that would suffice to denigrate his entire character.

#7 We must consider that the larger agenda is to create a new world order governed by technofascist design. This explains why obama is saying everything they can hand him which will cause racial strife. It is his parting gift to tptb wanna bees. He has willfully alienated whites and hispanics. He has set one trap after another for prism, echelon and narus to gather information on thought criminals. I cite this latest remark about 'Trayvon could have been me' as example.

I guarantee you that the responses to his latest word trap are all in a file. Especially those uttered in private. Even those who only thought a response such as:

'exactly'
'not anymore'
'no comment'

and so on.

As skyfloating says...those who are the smartest with the greatest abilities, are the most fit to 'run things'.

Probably there will not be another black president. Obama has seen to that. Using just the color of his skin, he has enabled them to set the black man back about 50 years. But we ought wonder just who is really running things. I don't wonder at all. I know. I think we all do.

They are simply keeping the focus off of themselves.

My eyes are being darkened by the re-crucifixition of 'weed'. By the latest post on the porn opt-in set up in the UK, which states that the poor little kids will have to 'stop jacking off and learn morals and responsibility now'. OMFG...

I sit here and read one post after another about sticking fingers down throats because Jesus is a 'no show', a fabrication. About how it's OK to call an entire board 'wankers' because they see through the debate on opt-in strategy in the UK. How nudity through 'porn' sickens one after another to death. Yet if I so much as say 'damaged goods', I get a TC violation.

We are entering the darkest of ages by virtue of the technology being deployed in fascism being nearly completely unrealized by the people. It is too scary to contemplate even were it revealed. Instead all we get are the laws, brought to you by those who are 'fit to run things'.

I guess were back to circumcisions, and his and her chastity belts.

reply to post by djr33222

Might I ask you to read MuzzleBreak's post at the top of Page 2? He seems to know more about Zimmerman's record than you do. I get the impression that Zimmerman's never been convicted of anything.

The gentleman is a very entertaining speaker, but I dislike and disagree with what he is saying.

I don't think it appropriate to demonize the mother and father without more facts. I would think Sabrina Martin was indeed at her whits end, and after trying other things to curb behavior probably realized that removing Trayvon Martin from certain influences and giving him a fresh start was a good idea. I think most of us would agree with that in many situations.

I don't think that Zimmerman's parents being married makes him a better person, nor does his marriage. I find it insulting. My parents divorced, and I'm sure quite a few of you have been divorced and have children, or parents that divorced. It's a BS thing to even bring up that the Martin's were divorced.

I think too many people are going to get all giddy about having a black preacher agree Zimmerman is innocent and that it's going to make them completely gloss over the fact that the guy is being a jackass. The father is a bad person because he has children by different women, and this somehow automatically makes the kid bad? It's overly religious nonsense and I wish you guys saw through it.

He's basically saying that if the family had stayed together and the father wasn't living in sin things would be different.

Using a young man's death to push your agenda is disgusting. It was disgusting for the White Supremacists, it was disgusting for the black panthers, it's disgusting for gun owners, it's disgusting for gun grabbers, it's disgusting for Sharpton and his ilk and it's disgusting to use it to push religion and outdated moral codes.

I'm so tired of people denigrating a dead person to push a belief system. I'm also sick of the idiots putting him on a pedestal, but the truth about Trayvon is probably somewhere in the middle, as the truth so often is. I really just think it's horribly sad for all involved. I wish Trayvon's family the best, and also Zimmerman's. I don't fault someone's parents who knew all the wonderful things about their child for speaking about him like an angel. Despite the bad, to them he was.

Originally posted by MuzzleBreak

Originally posted by WonderBoi
reply to post by MuzzleBreak

 

I'm in "gross err", say you? Oh, ok then. Let's just forget about this:

Shocking new allegations have been made about George Zimmerman. An old family friend, whose identity has not been revealed and is only known as Witness 9, has come forth and accused the 28 year old of molesting her when the two were children. The incidents occurred at Zimmerman’s family home when the two were children, starting when she was 6 and he was 8. Their two families were close, usually meeting up at least once a year. She alleges the attacks continued until she was 16. Source

Your allegations were shown to be in error, and now you're quoting an unknown person's allegations against GZ??
That's a non-starter.

Witness number 9 was proven (by zimmermans attorneys) to be a family member, specifically his cousin. She made her claims 2 days after zimmerman killed Trayvon, well before the national attention, and well over a month before zimmerman was charged...so she wasn't doing it for attention.

But im pretty sure this doesn't concern you because zimmerman is your hero

reply to post by Jay Electronica


No name, no sworn testimony?? Got to do better than that.

Without prior arrest or charges regarding this, it's just so much baloney.

Originally posted by muse7
So basically to summarize the video ----

Trayvon Martin deserved to be killed for acting like a typical 17 year old and having a typical 17 year old mindset.

Sadly, I agree with you that its not uncommon for a 17 year old with to much testosterone to act the way that Trayvon Martin acted. Mainly because when I was that age I thought I was indestructible and I had no problems settling things with my fist nor did I think about the consequences nor permanently hurting someone. I never got into a fight with the intention of killing anyone (was never even a thought that it could happen at that age) but I was not afraid to throw down nor did I think twice about it back than.

However, I can also see it from Zimmerman point of view where out of fear while getting pounded he acted with his instincts to survive.

This makes for a sad situation all around, but why does it always have to be about racism?

IMO , its more likely that the situation got out of control and an unfortunate child was killed than someone killing another person just because of their color?

I wouldn't be surprised that Zimmerman himself is sadden by the fact that it was a child that he killed.

The only reason this was made as a racist crime even before the facts were released was because racial tension strikes a cord with people on all sides and it sells advertising.

I wish that the masses wouldn't fall for this race baiting that they capitalize on to make money and keep us separated.

I can't think of any one here nor the majority of the population thinking that they are glad that a 17 year old is dead just based on their Color. That is not the normal nor the majority of populations accepted views.