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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by pthena
The thing is, Paul says rebelling against the authority is rebelling against god, because god puts in place all governing systems. It's a catch-22.
No it doesn't. It says "2 Therefore whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God", not God Himself. In other words, you are resisting the approved powers God has put into play. "and those who resist will bring judgment on themselves." Not God's judgment, but the judgement from the ruler's whom God allowed to be in power. IMO, Paul is telling us to play it safe, because some rulers won't be fooling around.
Paul says rebelling against the authority is rebelling against god, because god puts in place all governing systems. It's a catch-22.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
1) "Whoever resists the authority resists the ordinance of God". That is exactly what Enlightened1 just freaking said.
Paul says rebelling against the authority is rebelling against god, because god puts in place all governing systems. It's a catch-22.
I would advise that you brush up on your reading skills, or at least reading comprehension.
2) I didn't know God allowed political leaders to judge his children. Unless these leaders are passing judgment according to his edicts? In which case, the point you are attempting to refute remains a very good one: resistance of the government is resistance of "God", for his edicts are the basis of authority in the mortal world.
It is all being done by the will of God and the one that resists what is, is divided from God and will always suffer. The resistance is suffering.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain
It is all being done by the will of God and the one that resists what is, is divided from God and will always suffer. The resistance is suffering.
But here's the thing, see...I don't believe love or peace can be monopolized. And any entity who attempts to monopolize love and peace, is not interested in love and peace, but interested in the business opportunities that such a monopoly would offer. Which, I daresay, is rather at odds with love and peace.edit on 23-7-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Silly you, I was giving commentary on what he said, or did you not see that.
I recommend you do the same. Bet yet, you should pray that the Holy Spirit give understanding when it comes to the scriptures.
Of course you didn't. It's not that hard to understand. Run a red light, get a ticket. You guys are still missing the whole point in these verses. Obey man's laws unless they go against God's law. God gave them the power to rule, but that doesn't mean He agree's with the laws they make while in power. Once again, it's simply saying it's better to not resist those whom God has allowed to be in power. Your not strong enough to defeat them.
No entity is attempting to monopolize love and peace.
Suffering happens when one goes against what is happening
If one just sits back and sees the movie and experiences all the different scenes and does not get angry with the way it shows up then one will enjoy the ride.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by Itisnowagain
If one just sits back and sees the movie and experiences all the different scenes and does not get angry with the way it shows up then one will enjoy the ride.
I'm not even close to even wanting to consider agreeing with that. That is a repulsive sentiment that smacks of cowardice and laziness.
Originally posted by AfterInfinity
reply to post by RealTruthSeeker
Silly you, I was giving commentary on what he said, or did you not see that.
That's not ALL you were doing. You attempted to correct him, and in doing so, you fed him a paraphrased version of what he gave you. You disagreed and then made his point for him after disagreeing with it.
I recommend you do the same. Bet yet, you should pray that the Holy Spirit give understanding when it comes to the scriptures.
I might consider it, if I hadn't burned the Bible last night. We had a cookout and needed tinder.
...I regret nothing.
Of course you didn't. It's not that hard to understand. Run a red light, get a ticket. You guys are still missing the whole point in these verses. Obey man's laws unless they go against God's law. God gave them the power to rule, but that doesn't mean He agree's with the laws they make while in power. Once again, it's simply saying it's better to not resist those whom God has allowed to be in power. Your not strong enough to defeat them.
Really? Because as far as I'm aware, the fact that churches are no longer allowed to influence legislative decisions is a pure and simple sign that the church is swiftly losing the power it used to enjoy so much. And I honestly don't see that changing direction.edit on 23-7-2013 by AfterInfinity because: (no reason given)
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
reply to post by Itisnowagain
So what happens when you are being chased by radical jihadists who want to cut your head off? Should you not resist them and just sit back and enjoy them cutting your head off?
Doesn't sound like a very good game plan to me. Sometimes resistance is necessary.edit on 23-7-2013 by 3NL1GHT3N3D1 because: (no reason given)
That being said, there was a strong belief that the coming messiah would liberate the Jewish nation from the Romans, and reinstall the Jewish throne. There may have been a faction of Paul's church "hell bent" on pushing that agenda, that he was trying to quell.