Obama: “The government is us, and we’re doing things right”

reply to post by neo96


"the government is ours"...
yeah, the government is yours. government belongs to government....or whoever you belong to mr. obama that, you call gov't "ours".
sure isn't mine.
cynical? why?...way govt has made us.
people weren't born to distrust gov't unless........

they have f****d us over plenty of times.
im not one that is suffering from amnesia so...
yea

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I honestly have no idea why you think bush was better than obama. The comparison is like saying who is worse, stalin or hitler. Is it better to fail with 59 on a test or better to fail with a 30? Is it better to walk 50 miles or crawl on your knees 5 miles? Futile and ridiculous. We can and should do much better!

Never said Bush was better.

You seem to be off on a tangent.

But the Dem controlled Congresses have failed.
Obama had a better chance and failed.

Earlier Congresses when Bush was in office actually made some progress.

Perhaps these pics show some correlations....


The unemployment rate seems to reduce under Republican Congresses.
Then a steady rise starting in 2007 (Democrat Congress)
Ditto with annual deficits.

reply to post by xuenchen


Very valid points in relation to the economy and deficit spending, but we have to take into consideration 9-11-2001 and the various gestapo programs started under bush and his two wars.

pot meet kettle.

one party destroys the economy(D) and the other party pushes war(R).

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Very valid points in relation to the economy and deficit spending, but we have to take into consideration 9-11-2001 and the various gestapo programs started under bush and his two wars.

pot meet kettle.

one party destroys the economy(D) and the other party pushes war(R).

I agree to a point.

The economy and the 'security' issues are two different birds.

9/11 does seem to be a turning point in 'security' issues.

reply to post by xuenchen


And Obama continues every gestapo program started under bush which makes him an accomplice to the crime. Then he funds and gives weapons to muslim brotherhood to overthrow long established governments supported by russia.

Maybe Obama is worse than bush. Regardless I won't vote for either party again for a long time.

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by xuenchen

 

Very valid points in relation to the economy and deficit spending, but we have to take into consideration 9-11-2001 and the various gestapo programs started under bush and his two wars.

pot meet kettle.

one party destroys the economy(D) and the other party pushes war(R).

And NO.

First off more money has been spend on entitlement programs than those 'two wars' first off.

Secondly there is that new fangeld 1 trillion dollar student debt incurred under the current admintration.

Thirdly 8 years of Bush spending was 6 trillion dollars compared to the 6 trillion in 4 years of Obama, 'Government is us, and they are doing things right'.

And there these:



And:



All Bush's fault?

Hardly.

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Originally posted by LadyGreenEyes
reply to post by Rocker2013
Well, I can state my personal experience, and that of others I know. When Bush Jr. was in office, we had enough income. We could cover all the bills, splurge on little things, and even take small vacations. Under O, we can't do anything but squeak by, if that. Military pay, same bills, and nothing left. Groceries cost more, because of his policies. gas costs more, because of his policies, and he stated he WANTED it that way. Taxes are higher, not lower. Utilities are higher, as he stated he would make them. Many people I know lost jobs directly because of his actions. No, things weren't perfect, but they weren't this bad, either. He holds a lot of responsibility on a lot of the problems. The issues he started with, he's made worse. More aid to other nations, and even to ENEMIES, and terrorists, like the Muslim Brotherhood. Discussions of amnesty, which would totally destroy the country. A refusal to actually cut any needed spending, and deliberately cutting needed things, while leaving unneeded things untouched, to make cuts painful. I know Bush and his predecessors weren't saints, but they were better than him. This guy makes me long for Clinton, or heck, even Carter!

The anti-freedom stuff did indeed start under Bush, and he does hold some fault there. O, though as we both agree, has gone much farther. He is exactly what people feared when protesting the Patriot Act. I honestly think his actions are done to deliberately destroy the country. He stated he wanted "fundamental transformation", and he was mostly honest there. If something doesn't give, we are going under. People envisioned hostile invasions, but most didn't seem to realize that one was already happening, and that people were being brainwashed to accept it.

The debt issues really wouldn't be that hard to fix, either. All you need is a big red highligter, and a copy of the budget. Cross off ALL foreign aid, and demand real fair trade. Meaning, if they don't buy our products, we either don't buy theirs, or we add fees, so we don't go broke importing foreign junk. Measures to actually encourage business growth and industry would be another step. Then, on that budget, cross off a LOT of entitlement programs. Place real limits on welfare, with requirements that a person MUST show attempts to find work, and make drug testing mandatory. make the aid in the form of old-style food stamps, with sensible limits on what can be purchased. Other aid should be in the form of bill payments, NOT debit cards. That would end some of the abuse. Clearing out corrupt and uncaring workers would be another good point. On that note, clean house across the board, in every single department, eliminating a lot of useless government jobs. Example: in the driver's license department where we live, we discovered that the local clerks can't do ANYTHING about real issues. Literally, NOTHING. A suspended license, because a ticket payment wasn't sent in on time, could not be cleared locally (husband's, not mine). We actually had to drive to the main office in the state capital to fix this. Same paperwork, same details, but the locals couldn't co it. Why??? Someone is paid at a higher level to fix things that should be easily cleared in the computer age. There are surely tons of tax-paid positions that are not needed. The government wasn't meant to be a work force. Next off are all the pork barrel projects. No tax-paid politician vacations. Why should we pay for his vacation security? For that matter, cut the salaries of politicians, and most benefits. Let them depend on SS. That would be fixed fast! Next, cut any and ALL aid to illegals. They aren't immigrants. I have some friends that are, and are fine people. Calling illegals immigrants is an insult to legal immigrants. No Endowments to the Arts. No tax-paid TV or radio networks. No stupid studies on social issues. There is more we could add, but that alone should see us in the black in no time!

I wonder if you forgot about what happened in 2008? When half the stock market disappeared, America began the trend of losing 750,000 jobs a month, and all the rest.

Those occurrences were all the consequence of Bush's policy (of not regulating or paying attention)

Google the stock market, the housing market, the job market, the auto market and ALL of them have improved
Since Obama took office. Fact

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by neo96

 

Do you ever blame republicans for anything?

I have seen you post here for years and its always anti-democrat.

Surely republicans are not saints, heh?

Never said they were true most of my ire is directed at the people who brought us SS,medicaire,medicaid,fanny and freddy,federal reserve, and a non existent industrial base.

That vilifies the people who pay me and makes me pay them.

Which is Obama the government is us, and they're doing things right'.

Originally posted by neo96
Thirdly 8 years of Bush spending was 6 trillion dollars compared to the 6 trillion in 4 years of Obama, 'Government is us, and they are doing things right'.

And there these:

And:

All Bush's fault?

Hardly.

6 trillion dollars in the year 2000 isn't equivalent to 6 trillion dollars in 2008/2013...
or did inflation suddenly disappear just like a man disappears when sneezing and farting at the same time?

reply to post by OUTofSTEPwithTHEworld

6 trillion dollars in the year 2000 isn't equivalent to 6 trillion dollars in 2008/2013.

Never said it was 6 trillion dollars in 8 years that was clearly said in This post

Here is the direct quotation:

Thirdly 8 years of Bush spending was 6 trillion dollars compared to the 6 trillion in 4 years of Obama, 'Government is us, and they are doing things right'

Which also means the same effect for the current spending of the admin.

Originally posted by neo96

Originally posted by EarthCitizen07
reply to post by neo96

 

Do you ever blame republicans for anything?

I have seen you post here for years and its always anti-democrat.

Surely republicans are not saints, heh?

Never said they were true most of my ire is directed at the people who brought us SS,medicaire,medicaid,fanny and freddy,federal reserve, and a non existent industrial base.

That vilifies the people who pay me and makes me pay them.

Which is Obama the government is us, and they're doing things right'.

I personally like social security, medicare and medicaid. I also like unemployment, disability, state welfare, etc. I also like unions. Just because both democrats and republicans mismanage the trust funds does not negate their importance when they were created. Conservatives simply hate all forms of government getting involved regardless if the government was clean or corrupt. Its a moral issue for you guys/gals. For me its a lets cleanup the corruption and stop diverting money from welfare programs to the military industrial complex for useless and morally bankrupt wars.

As for fanny mae and freddie mac I agree with you 100% in that democrats dropped the ball, maybe intentionally or maybe not. The federal reserve I also agree with you 100%. Non-industrial base shipped to asia I also agree with you, although you don't like tariffs much.

So basically I agree with the democrat platform more than with the republican platform BUT I am still man enough to admit the democrat party is horribly corrupt and owned by the ptb themselves. In fact I posted card 155 of the illuminati deck to prove this. Still I am not a liberal on all issues, I mixmatch liberal, progressive and conservative everywhere I feel like.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I personally like social security, medicare and medicaid. I also like unemployment, disability, state welfare, etc. I also like unions. Ju

A lot of people do problem is they are corporate welfare programs redistribution of wealth because people get more out of those programs than pay in.

They were never designed to be SELF funding SELF sustaining which makes it perfect for this topic :

The government is us,and we're doing thing right.

Originally posted by neo96
reply to post by EarthCitizen07

 

I personally like social security, medicare and medicaid. I also like unemployment, disability, state welfare, etc. I also like unions. Ju

A lot of people do problem is they are corporate welfare programs redistribution of wealth because people get more out of those programs than pay in.

They were never designed to be SELF funding SELF sustaining which makes it perfect for this topic :

The government is us,and we're doing thing right.

I bet they were designed to be self-sufficient but politicians decided to divert money elsewhere because people are too stupid to do anything about it. I mean back in the old days. Forget today its become a third world bannana republic.

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

I bet they were designed to be self-sufficient but politicians decided to divert money elsewhere because people are too stupid to do anything about it. I mean back in the old days. Forget today its become a third world bannana republic.

No they weren't take SS the employee pays 6% then someone else pays another 6% where the employee draws more out than they ever paid in that deficit is made up by new people who are not using pay for those who are, and that is still not enough so they take more money from other people.

That is how every government program works the people pay little or nothing, and get more out to me that doesn't sound like 'doing things right'.

Where as in the private sector any investment vehicle creates more return that creates more wealth that creates more jobs to where people pay in federal taxation.

Social engineering is nothing but wealth destruction that lines corporate products that can not be sustained by itself, and the cycle has endlessly repeated.

Government has never done anything right because they lied for one and use political talking points with the likes of 'safety nets' and all that rubbish where the person is just a slave to the government with those programs being held over their heads in perpetuity until the day they die under the delusion of thinking they 'care'.

Originally posted by neo96

No they weren't take SS the employee pays 6% then someone else pays another 6% where the employee draws more out than they ever paid in that deficit is made up by new people who are not using pay for those who are, and that is still not enough so they take more money from other people.

Thats false. Usually more people work than get social security benefits because the population continously expands. What you say would be true if the population shrunk. Of course during recessions and depressions where more collect than put back in the trust fund, then what you say is true.

That is how every government program works the people pay little or nothing, and get more out to me that doesn't sound like 'doing things right'.

Actually people put in more than what they get out and I am including the employer contributions in this. You have to be 65 to go on SS and average lifespan is about 75-80 years old. People work 35 years at least and collect 15-20 usually.

Just because policians are scumbags does not negate ss welfare programs importance.

Where as in the private sector any investment vehicle creates more return that creates more wealth that creates more jobs to where people pay in federal taxation.

Funny if the government did not bail out the private sector so thouroughly no one would be getting any compensation whether ira, pensions or something else. Business made bad decisions and the tax payers bailed them out. I shouldnt have to bailout wreckless companies or fund wars i dont agree with, actually most dont.

Social engineering is nothing but wealth destruction that lines corporate products that can not be sustained by itself, and the cycle has endlessly repeated.

I don't agree with the current taxation anyway. it only affects the middle class while disregarding the really rich.

Government has never done anything right because they lied for one and use political talking points with the likes of 'safety nets' and all that rubbish where the person is just a slave to the government with those programs being held over their heads in perpetuity until the day they die under the delusion of thinking they 'care'.

It certainly seems that way. Too many liars in government lately!

reply to post by EarthCitizen07

Thats false. Usually more people work than get social security benefits because the population continously expands. What you say would be true if the population shrunk. Of course during recessions and depressions where more collect than put back in the trust fund, then what you say is true.

NO ITS NOT SS like all government programs are ponzi schemes first in first out leave others holding the bag.

Actually people put in more than what they get out and I am including the employer contributions in this. You have to be 65 to go on SS and average lifespan is about 75-80 years old. People work 35 years at least and collect 15-20 usually.

Again No.

A persons contribution is 6% that is it.

Just because policians are scumbags does not negate ss welfare programs importance.

True.

Funny if the government did not bail out the private sector so thouroughly no one would be getting any compensation whether ira, pensions or something else. Business made bad decisions and the tax payers bailed them out. I shouldnt have to bailout wreckless companies or fund wars i dont agree with, actually most dont.

Take a good look at these bailouts

124 trillion dollars worth then take a look at Household assets.