House Votes to Defund Obama’s Illegal Executive Order For The DREAM ACT

The Dream Act, which was a presidential and executive order was totally illegal... You see, executive orders can not be used to enact laws. So the house voted today to defund the Dream act. Do I agree with the Dream act? This is not important. What is important is that the president of the United Sates can't enact his own laws.

This may end up being purely symbolic since it now has to clear the Senate. But it is about time that the laws of the US are upheld, since Obama is not above the law. Not only this, but why should we be spending anything extra on non citizens during such tough economic times?

"The point here is … the President does not have the authority to waive immigration law, nor does he have the authority to create it out of thin air, and he’s done both with these Morton memos in this respect,” King said.

The House of Representatives voted 224–201 Thursday morning to deny funding for the Obama administration’s controversial Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) policy. The policy, which was implemented via executive order in June 2012, effectively assumes the enactment of the DREAM Act, legislation that has failed to pass Congress on multiple occasions, and has raised concerns about executive overreach:

House Votes to Defund Obama’s Illegal Executive Order For The DREAM ACT

Didn't he receive proper on the job training? I'm just glad it's being brought to the publics attention.

May be a bit off topic but...
I would also add that it would be nice if they would stop spending tax payers money on vacations (20 mill and counting from what I've read), and God knows what other personal perks. So out of touch with what it's like to be an average American I'm not sure how they can truly represent "the people". Maybe be better off being the pres of Hollywood and elect someone who can stay grounded. I truly don't think politicians should be paid more than "the median" income. They get too power hungry and it leads to stuff like thinking your god and can pass laws when its clear its not allowed. I guess our forefathers failed to think this part through.

This is not a matter of on the job training, Obama is an arrogant imperialist. I suspect that he is not going to leave office voluntaringly. Not now and not when his 4 years are up either.

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I don´t see a problem in the DREAM act to be honest, after all it is a positive thing for US people.

I see refusing such act as digging yourself a grave...

1) Illegal immigration will exist anyways and unless getting a good education, the kids will end up at gangs/doing crime etc. This is a motivation for illegal immigrants kids to actually learn more, get better education, as this will grant legal citizenship. It is not like everybody is gonna get it, only kids who have gone to university or military.

2) US education system is weakening, too many people dropping out, which is not good for the nation. 1/3 dropping out of high-school is too much. Here 1/3 do not get a university degree, while maybe 1/10 or even less do not end highschool.

3) Already US is "buying in" lots of specialists from other nations, simply because there is deficiency of such among local people.

In the long run, this act will resolve at least some issues with illegal immigrant kids becoming criminals, which is currently a problem. It is a motivation for the parents of those kids to encourage getting education. Also it should motivate at least some percentage of such kids. This problem exists anyways, whether we want it or not. However tough the laws, illegal immigrants will still come to US. Denial does not help and this act is taking on the problem.

Originally posted by muse7

Originally posted by elouina
This is not a matter of on the job training, Obama is an arrogant imperialist. I suspect that he is not going to leave office voluntaringly. Not now and not when his 4 years are up either.

And thank you for letting us know about your ingrained irrational beliefs.

And look where this is coming from . You just happen to be speaking to a psychic, and I have warned you all about Obama before the election. I wanted to puke the day he won. How the US citizens react to these recent scandals can seal your fate. You can stand with him and lose everything, or you can stand with us and restore the US. I have mentioned this elsewhere in some posts, and likely in more detail, but here is one particular thread.

Calling All Psychics

Oh and thanx to Obama's ineptitude, you will get to see the first missle on the continental US. Fortunately the one that I see is a dud. But there could be others. Well, I mean there are others that aren't duds. But the timeline for those is much later. I suppose his ineptitude could have contributed to those also. Things will be hazy until much closer to the date.

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The country might as well start eviction papers now in order to get these arrogant moochers out of our house.

I agree - let those overpaid actors pay for his vacations, they seem to love him. Let the bankers take up a collection for them - Why can't I just keep my measly $50,000.00 a year - My God! That wouldn't even pay for a half hour of air force one jetting those idiots all over the world.

These bunch of criminals in DC really believe they're above the law - I cannot believe this is america. Why should I have to pay my money to make it little mexico?

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Do you understand that I am not talking about the dream act itself? I am talking about a president that is out of control in every direction that he turns. He can do all the good deeds that he likes, but he must follow the laws of the country that he represents. What he did is illegal, and nothing can justify this.

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Being a psychic, do you see any hope for our country?

It's really looking pretty grim -

Originally posted by elouina
reply to post by Cabin

 

Do you understand that I am not talking about the dream act itself? I am talking about a president that is out of control in every direction that he turns. He can do all the good deeds that he likes, but he must follow the laws of the country that he represents. What he did is illegal, and nothing can justify this.

I apologise if I did not explain the reasons behind my post.

1) I doubt this was actually illegal. Obama knows the laws well. He has the degree from one of the strongest laws schools in the world after all. Even if, from some viewpoints it might seem illegal, there are either loopholes or some extra conditions that make it legal. He is already having too much scandals, so I doubt wants more of these. I believe it to be just a "made-up scandal" by some opponents. I do not know the laws of US well enough, although the illegality of it seems to be questionable.

2) I have no opinion on Obama , although I dislike the current trend of trashing the guy for the actions done by others... It is like trashing the CEO of the company for some stupidites a subsidiary across the world has done... I have run some big projects myself and even I had no time to deal with all the departments. I had 4 deparments under me (4 deparment leaders with teams on their own). I instructed them and they reported back, although I could not make them always follow my orders. If one decided to not tell me something happening downstairs, I could do nothing... as I was not aware of it. Everything comes down to command-line, I had nearly 500 people under me (total), US president has thousands with hundreds of departments running a 300-million people country. It is impossible for him to be aware everything happening. I am not defending the actions his administration has done, although I do not blame him as I am quite sure he had nothing to do with most of the scandals. Somebody in the bottom, f´´ked up, he gets the blame from the media

3) ATS is full of different threads depicting stupid laws and people doing good things getting punished for their actions. Also there are many threads critizing the government for not taking action and doing things necessary. If some person did something good and got punished because of laws, he would be seen as hero who got punished. When the president actually doing something worthy (which I doubt to be illegal (but can be), look at point 1), then he is seen as a criminal... This seems as hypocritical...

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I know your not american, but you've never said what country your from.

America has a constitution, which this idiot has trashed from the day he got elected.

He is not even an american citizen - much like yourself.

These are not "made up" scandals - they are "treasonous". But niether dems or repubs seem to believe in our constitutional rights anymore. Our country has been invaded.

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For the purposeful misdeeds, the only hope is if the people act now. Otherwise the US we have all known and loved will be gone.

But the ineptitide has already left its lasting mark. Folks will know this later, but obviously not now.

This decade will leave us with a future history lesson on our legacy of stupidity. A lesson never to be repeated again.

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Hi, confuse7.....watch and learn, see how this one turns out. It will become to where the US people will demand that he stay in office. I trade currency, and can spot a trend a mile away. I'm making the call....we have a new trend underway, baby!!!!
A huge economic surge will bring that on...! (fueled by the US oil exports, the US will be the new OPEC)

Yep, we will demand he stays.....




ETA....The trend I mentioned.....it's not a good one......can you see it's first wave characteristics......now comes the bigger impulse wave( the one that gets to really steam-rolling everybody over)

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Hey there Happy1....this has all been written down long ago......and it's time is due, a sledgehammer will befall the world. Not to worry if you have your head on right. Get into the Word.!

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This decade will leave us with a future history lesson on our legacy of stupidity. A lesson never to be repeated again.

Heck! I'm not even a "Psychic", and I know better than that! History is full of "repetitious stupidity"!

See ya,
Milt

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If what Obama did is illegal and Congressman and now Senators vote "not" to defund it, then aren't they just as corrupt as the president and committing the same act of treason as the president ??

Point being, how corrupt is our government ?? It seems to be purity much along party lines that one side cares about the rule of law and the constitution and the left side does what ever it wants to push the socialist/communist agenda. Sorry but I think the corruption has gone way beyond "progressive liberalism.

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Hopefully it passes.
Is it 2016 yet????

Originally posted by Cabin
reply to post by elouina

 

I don´t see a problem in the DREAM act to be honest, after all it is a positive thing for US people.

I see refusing such act as digging yourself a grave...

1) Illegal immigration will exist anyways and unless getting a good education, the kids will end up at gangs/doing crime etc. This is a motivation for illegal immigrants kids to actually learn more, get better education, as this will grant legal citizenship. It is not like everybody is gonna get it, only kids who have gone to university or military.

2) US education system is weakening, too many people dropping out, which is not good for the nation. 1/3 dropping out of high-school is too much. Here 1/3 do not get a university degree, while maybe 1/10 or even less do not end highschool.

3) Already US is "buying in" lots of specialists from other nations, simply because there is deficiency of such among local people.

In the long run, this act will resolve at least some issues with illegal immigrant kids becoming criminals, which is currently a problem. It is a motivation for the parents of those kids to encourage getting education. Also it should motivate at least some percentage of such kids. This problem exists anyways, whether we want it or not. However tough the laws, illegal immigrants will still come to US. Denial does not help and this act is taking on the problem.

The big question is - where does this money come from? Does it come from other existing programs? Or from hard-pressed taxpayers? You know it won't from from the illegals, the low income or the super-wealthy.

Originally posted by elouina
The Dream Act, which was a presidential and executive order was totally illegal... You see, executive orders can not be used to enact laws. So the house voted today to defund the Dream act.

You seem confused.

The President did not enact any laws.

The Administrative branch of government is responsible for administering laws.

Executive orders are directives to enforcement agencies on how to apply and where to focus the administration of the laws.

He directed agencies, for two years, not to prosecute immigrants that fell within the definition of the dream act.

He did not "pass" or enact the Dream Act.

Earlier this summer, the Obama Administration issued a directive to the Department of Homeland Security that changed how American immigration law is enforced.

How?

President Obama has long been a supporter of the DREAM Act, a proposed law that would give legal status to the small subset of illegal immigrants who were brought to the United States before they turned 16 years old, are no older than 30, have been in the U.S. for at least five years, have been convicted of no serious crime, and have a high-school diploma, a GED, or a stint in the U.S. military.

The law has yet to pass Congress. But the directive issued by the Obama Administration grants folks who'd be eligible for the DREAM Act a reprieve from deportation and work-authorization papers. It doesn't grant citizenship or legal status. It went into effect in mid-August, when illegal immigrants who believe themselves to be eligible could start applying to be covered.

www.theatlantic.com...

Nothing Illegal in what he did. It related to "enforcement"...not enacting law.