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Seek ye first, the Kingdom of Heaven
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]Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by vethumanbeing
Templeman, I told you how special that namesake is; and you tossed it off as something or other, A flying bird, as you know is very rare. Scottish people are normally mennonites; how did you escape that beard and bonnet? Not a freemason either, obviously not of Greek origin, what am I missing. My family came to Great Britian by way of the William the Conquerer Invasion EXPRESS, hense, my last name, "Humanbeing". We didnt sprout up as heather in the Highlands, boy or boy Hadrians Wall infuriated all of us now blocked from scattering (But then weeds grew into Clans of weeds; the Kudzu vine weed grew over the wall and makes its home in Louisiana and flowered by the Miracle Gro of God we thrived and raised LAMBS for SLAUGHTER invented plaid AS CAMOFLAGE (french word hint) and face paint makeup for Men (anticipating a need for futuristic football games).
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Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Knocking again second time I will open the door. You are Greek.
joecroft
No, I was born in Scotland, remember, triple YYY, part of the original blood line, perhaps, maybe, who knows… “Templeman “name sake an all…still working on my golf swing… bird of unknown origin etc etc etc…
- JC
Templeman, I told you how special that namesake is; and you tossed it off as something or other, A flying bird, as you know is very rare. Scottish people are normally mennonites; how did you escape that beard and bonnet? Not a freemason either, obviously not of Greek origin, what am I missing. My family came to Great Britian by way of the William the Conquerer Invasion EXPRESS, hense, my last name, "Humanbeing". We didnt sprout up as heather in the Highlands, boy or boy Hadrians Wall infuriated all of us now blocked from scattering (But then weeds grew into Clans of weeds; the Kudzu vine weed grew over the wall and makes its home in Louisiana and flowered by the Miracle Gro of God we thrived and raised LAMBS for SLAUGHTER invented plaid AS CAMOFLAGE (french word hint) and face paint makeup for Men (anticipating a need for futuristic football games).
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reply to post by vethumanbeing
I never once tossed it aside, I can assure you, I cherished that scrap lol of info, like it was my own. Granted, I don’t know the full extent of the namesake, but my knowledge of rare birds has increased, my golf swing has increased, my sight has increased, my hearing has increased, my smell has err decreased lol you get the idea…
Ah, the Mennonite clan…how could I forget those guys…seems like there are a large amount of Scottish clans down there in Chicago Illinois, or is it up there, never could figure that part out…
Oh, and the thing your missing, is the topic of the OP lol…?
- JC
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Templeman, I told you how special that namesake is; and you tossed it off as something or other, A flying bird, as you know is very rare.
I never once tossed it aside, I can assure you, I cherished that scrap lol of info, like it was my own. Granted, I don’t know the full extent of the namesake, but my knowledge of rare birds has increased, my golf swing has increased, my sight has increased, my hearing has increased, my smell has err decreased lol you get the idea…
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Scottish people are normally mennonites; how did you escape that beard and bonnet? Not a freemason either, obviously not of Greek origin, what am I missing.
Ah, the Mennonite clan…how could I forget those guys…seems like there are a large amount of Scottish clans down there in Chicago Illinois, or is it up there, never could figure that part out…
Oh, and the thing your missing, is the topic of the OP lol…?
- JC
Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by vethumanbeing
"Seek yea first", well, I would be the first and last human you EVER need to say that to as I created your idea YOURS ALONE Kingdom of Heaven. Did I open anything here (doorwise, you never followed up on that ideaform thrown out). Hey, no bustdowns on Chicago, it was a nice visit and looking over my shoulder, will not or is afraid to appear (remember me) (squatting behind those mountains hidden in sage brush along a wash from Border Patrol Angels).
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Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Templeman, I told you how special that namesake is; and you tossed it off as something or other, A flying bird, as you know is very rare.
joecroft
I never once tossed it aside, I can assure you, I cherished that scrap lol of info, like it was my own. Granted, I don’t know the full extent of the namesake, but my knowledge of rare birds has increased, my golf swing has increased, my sight has increased, my hearing has increased, my smell has err decreased lol you get the idea…
Ah, the Mennonite clan…how could I forget those guys…seems like there are a large amount of Scottish clans down there in Chicago Illinois, or is it up there, never could figure that part out…
Oh, and the thing your missing, is the topic of the OP lol…?- JC
"Seek yea first", well, I would be the first and last human you EVER need to say that to as I created your idea YOURS ALONE Kingdom of Heaven. Did I open anything here (doorwise, you never followed up on that ideaform thrown out). Hey, no bustdowns on Chicago, it was a nice visit and looking over my shoulder, will not or is afraid to appear (remember me) (squatting behind those mountains hidden in sage brush along a wash from Border Patrol Angels).
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The onesness is completely mis-understood IMO…also when the Spirit of God is received, its not you that brings it, it’s God the Father, and it’s beyond your control, which ultimately means, that you aren’t IT, and neither am I, we are only a part of IT. Sons and daughters of The Father etc…
And remember, there’s an order to created beings, Jesus being the First…
What “idea form”…
- JC
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
"Seek yea first", well, I would be the first and last human you EVER need to say that to as I created your idea YOURS ALONE Kingdom of Heaven.
The onesness is completely mis-understood IMO…also when the Spirit of God is received, its not you that brings it, it’s God the Father, and it’s beyond your control, which ultimately means, that you aren’t IT, and neither am I, we are only a part of IT. Sons and daughters of The Father etc…
And remember, there’s an order to created beings, Jesus being the First…
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Did I open anything here (doorwise, you never followed up on that ideaform thrown out).
What “idea form”…
- JC
Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by vethumanbeing
I have such a problem with the VERY TIRESOME Spirit of God is/as recieved. How do you know it. Its not Myself that brings it although I am the VESSEL for the filling of Holy Spirit? Kornfusing. You are not making sense. I am a part and parcel to Gkod Itself (how do I know this, because it tells me so). There is no order to Created Beings other than the melting push up popsicle (think thats french hint) you percieve to have bought and is desolving/disintegrating in the heat. Jesus is not first, Adam is, or does the DNA of Jesus surpass/trump Davids bloodline? NON EXISTANT or Marys, or Josephs? They were not a part of the mix. Tell me why Jesus was childless? He could have ruled the world; as a 9 dimensional being left something of its BODY behind (a DNA legacy componet), other than the useless Eucharist canabalistic symbiology. HOW IS JESUS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ADAM regarding physical regeneration, profligation. Does Spirit trump the physical and if so where and how are the vessels for spirit formed or even exist?
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Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
"Seek yea first", well, I would be the first and last human you EVER need to say that to as I created your idea YOURS ALONE Kingdom of Heaven.
joecroft
The onesness is completely mis-understood IMO…also when the Spirit of God is received, its not you that brings it, it’s God the Father, and it’s beyond your control, which ultimately means, that you aren’t IT, and neither am I, we are only a part of IT. Sons and daughters of The Father etc…
And remember, there’s an order to created beings, Jesus being the First…What “idea form”…- JC
I have such a problem with the VERY TIRESOME Spirit of God is/as recieved. How do you know it. Its not Myself that brings it although I am the VESSEL for the filling of Holy Spirit? Kornfusing. You are not making sense. I am a part and parcel to Gkod Itself (how do I know this, because it tells me so). There is no order to Created Beings other than the melting push up popsicle (think thats french hint) you percieve to have bought and is desolving/disintegrating in the heat. Jesus is not first, Adam is, or does the DNA of Jesus surpass/trump Davids bloodline? NON EXISTANT or Marys, or Josephs? They were not a part of the mix. Tell me why Jesus was childless? He could have ruled the world; as a 9 dimensional being left something of its BODY behind (a DNA legacy componet), other than the useless Eucharist canabalistic symbiology. HOW IS JESUS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ADAM regarding physical regeneration, profligation. Does Spirit trump the physical and if so where and how are the vessels for spirit formed or even exist?
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reply to post by Joecroft
This is how I see it also.
About the Holy Spirit, God, Jesus question from earlier. Let me give you the verse that I think eliminates the argument that Jesus and God are one Holy Spirit. Then explain how the verse fits in context with what you believe.
Ephesians 4:1-6 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and "IN ALL".
The Christian church claims that "IN ALL" means "IN ALL" Christians, But read the sentence in order and context.
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and "IN ALL",
God is the father, whether the relationship is acknowledge by the son or not. So to me it clearly says that God is in all, meaning the "Holy Spirit", comes later when you become "born again".
This is how I see it also.
About the Holy Spirit, God, Jesus question from earlier. Let me give you the verse that I think eliminates the argument that Jesus and God are one Holy Spirit. Then explain how the verse fits in context with what you believe.
Ephesians 4:1-6 As a prisoner for the Lord, then, I urge you to live a life worthy of the calling you have received. 2 Be completely humble and gentle; be patient, bearing with one another in love. 3 Make every effort to keep the unity of the Spirit through the bond of peace. 4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to one hope when you were called; 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism; 6 one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and "IN ALL".
The Christian church claims that "IN ALL" means "IN ALL" Christians, But read the sentence in order and context.
One God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and "IN ALL",
God is the father, whether the relationship is acknowledge by the son or not. So to me it clearly says that God is in all, meaning the "Holy Spirit", comes later when you become "born again".
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Because I have received it, and witnessed the tongues of fire in my house on the day that I received it.
Yes, you are the vessel for the Holy Spirit. You used the key phrase, in your above sentence, which is “Its not Myself that brings it”…and as you often say to me, you have just spoken a “truthism.” It’s the Father and the Son which bring it, but only when your Spirit is ready to receive it.
I’ve already shown you various Gnostic verses, which clearly show that Jesus is the first created being by the Father.
And your response was this…
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lol
That’s A LOT of questions…lol
First of all, the “Eucharist canabalistic symbiology”, was created by men, who misunderstood Jesus real meaning of it. I even explained to you, the real meaning and why it became misunderstood, in one of your own threads. The lights are on, but there’s nobody home lol
Secondly, this has to nothing to do with DNA, Jesus was the first created spiritual being, it has nothing to do with the flesh. Why do you think Jesus says the words before Abraham “I AM”, it’s because He’s referring to himself being there, before anyone else.
If we are all God and the Father, then Jesus shouldn’t be before anyone else, and the “I AM” should also apply to Abraham, you, and me etc. But Jesus doesn’t say that, which clearly shows that there is an order to spiritually created beings, Jesus being the first!
And that phrase you used “He could have ruled the world”, your thinking with your ego. Jesus isn’t about ruling the world, He’s about bringing in the Kingdom of Heaven, which is a spiritual Kingdom.
Oh and Yeah...the Spirit trumps the physical IMO…And your other questions have been answered, between the lines…
- JC
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
I have such a problem with the VERY TIRESOME Spirit of God is/as recieved. How do you know it.
Because I have received it, and witnessed the tongues of fire in my house on the day that I received it.
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Its not Myself that brings it although I am the VESSEL for the filling of Holy Spirit? Kornfusing. You are not making sense.
Yes, you are the vessel for the Holy Spirit. You used the key phrase, in your above sentence, which is “Its not Myself that brings it”…and as you often say to me, you have just spoken a “truthism.” It’s the Father and the Son which bring it, but only when your Spirit is ready to receive it.
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
I am a part and parcel to Gkod Itself (how do I know this, because it tells me so). There is no order to Created Beings other than the melting push up popsicle (think thats french hint) you percieve to have bought and is desolving/disintegrating in the heat. Jesus is not first, Adam is, or does the DNA of Jesus surpass/trump Davids bloodline? NON EXISTANT or Marys, or Josephs? They were not a part of the mix.
I’ve already shown you various Gnostic verses, which clearly show that Jesus is the first created being by the Father.
And your response was this…
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
What can I say, If there is any scripture I embrace its the Gnostic, it resonates for me as true.
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Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Tell me why Jesus was childless? He could have ruled the world; as a 9 dimensional being left something of its BODY behind (a DNA legacy componet), other than the useless Eucharist canabalistic symbiology. HOW IS JESUS MORE IMPORTANT THAN ADAM regarding physical regeneration, profligation. Does Spirit trump the physical and if so where and how are the vessels for spirit formed or even exist?
That’s A LOT of questions…lol
First of all, the “Eucharist canabalistic symbiology”, was created by men, who misunderstood Jesus real meaning of it. I even explained to you, the real meaning and why it became misunderstood, in one of your own threads. The lights are on, but there’s nobody home lol
Secondly, this has to nothing to do with DNA, Jesus was the first created spiritual being, it has nothing to do with the flesh. Why do you think Jesus says the words before Abraham “I AM”, it’s because He’s referring to himself being there, before anyone else.
If we are all God and the Father, then Jesus shouldn’t be before anyone else, and the “I AM” should also apply to Abraham, you, and me etc. But Jesus doesn’t say that, which clearly shows that there is an order to spiritually created beings, Jesus being the first!
And that phrase you used “He could have ruled the world”, your thinking with your ego. Jesus isn’t about ruling the world, He’s about bringing in the Kingdom of Heaven, which is a spiritual Kingdom.
Oh and Yeah...the Spirit trumps the physical IMO…And your other questions have been answered, between the lines…
- JC
reply to post by sacgamer25
Not sure if you can remember but we had a similar conversation on one of your threads a while ago; On which, my posts can be found here and here
Your response to my latter post on that thread, was this below…
Your complete post can be found here
The 2 conversations, are closely connected to what we are discussing here…
- JC
Originally posted by Sacgamer
About the Holy Spirit, God, Jesus question from earlier. Let me give you the verse that I think eliminates the argument that Jesus and God are one Holy Spirit. Then explain how the verse fits in context with what you believe.
Not sure if you can remember but we had a similar conversation on one of your threads a while ago; On which, my posts can be found here and here
Your response to my latter post on that thread, was this below…
Originally posted by Sacgamer
You know I think you are right. I have been trying to separate the Holy Spirit from the Spirit of Christ. After looking at the Old Testament, and rereading the verses on the Spirit of Christ in the New Testament, I believe that the Holy Spirit and the Spirit of Christ are one.
Your complete post can be found here
The 2 conversations, are closely connected to what we are discussing here…
- JC
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Thank you for the links to my past. The trinity can be very confusing but I never could except what the churh was teaching about it. There always seemed like a reason for seperating the three.
After reading through what we were taling about before I still have to go with this.
We are born with an inherent understanding of love, so we know from birth love is good. What we are not born with is the inherent understanding that we can overcome sin.
We have been indoctrinated into a "fallen" world where everyone believes that they are incapable of overcoming and then we continue the mistakes of our forefathers because we allow ourselves to accept this brain washing of sorts.
So like I said I believe that all are born with a piece of God, Love that is necessary for life. But I do believe the Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of Love, Christ Jesus, who does come to you after you believe in and pursue the Spirit of Love, even if you find the Spirit of Love by a name that is not Jesus Christ.
Personally I think looking at it this way puts more love into the one who has not yet received the gift. If God himself does not come to you until you walk his path, is that still unconditional love?
Or does unconditional love, by its very nature assume that you were "born" with it. But the power to transform that comes by the Holy Spirit is only available to those who listen to the "love/God" within. Meaning previously within the Gentile before he accepts his adoption into the Kingdom?
I think many views about the relationship of the three would be acceptable to become "enlightened", since their relationship says more about religion than love. But it is interesting to debate.
I have come a long way in my understanding of what I was "hearing" back then.
2010 that is when I told my daughter God is love, when we both received the spirit.
Thank you for the links to my past. The trinity can be very confusing but I never could except what the churh was teaching about it. There always seemed like a reason for seperating the three.
After reading through what we were taling about before I still have to go with this.
We are born with an inherent understanding of love, so we know from birth love is good. What we are not born with is the inherent understanding that we can overcome sin.
We have been indoctrinated into a "fallen" world where everyone believes that they are incapable of overcoming and then we continue the mistakes of our forefathers because we allow ourselves to accept this brain washing of sorts.
So like I said I believe that all are born with a piece of God, Love that is necessary for life. But I do believe the Holy Spirit, is the Spirit of Love, Christ Jesus, who does come to you after you believe in and pursue the Spirit of Love, even if you find the Spirit of Love by a name that is not Jesus Christ.
Personally I think looking at it this way puts more love into the one who has not yet received the gift. If God himself does not come to you until you walk his path, is that still unconditional love?
Or does unconditional love, by its very nature assume that you were "born" with it. But the power to transform that comes by the Holy Spirit is only available to those who listen to the "love/God" within. Meaning previously within the Gentile before he accepts his adoption into the Kingdom?
I think many views about the relationship of the three would be acceptable to become "enlightened", since their relationship says more about religion than love. But it is interesting to debate.
I have come a long way in my understanding of what I was "hearing" back then.
2010 that is when I told my daughter God is love, when we both received the spirit.
Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by vethumanbeing
Jesus says nothing as he did not write anything down; its all conjecture; what would Freud or Jung say about Jesus if they were the interpreters of (obviously an Oral Tradition handed down, recited by many mouths with various Ego Problems of their own. Jesus as we understand him now was the invention of Pauls EGO. Paul sits on this throne, not Jesus. Jesus never in his life uttered the word "CHRISTOS" or refered to himself as a Messiah (Greek nomenclature).
But he does rule the world or at least 2.2 billion souls, and as for bringing the Kingdom of heaven to Earth, he hasnt succeeded (nice try though) for some death would bring relief to the hell they are experiencing. I do not understand why you keep confusing Jesus ministry with Pauls corruption of it. Do not tell me everyone else needs to convert to Christianity the bearer Bondsmen will still claim the soul. The notion of Christianity (totally made up) is just as manipulated as the You-Are-Christ an INVENTION to subjegate and control by primarily? the RC church.
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joecroft
First of all, the “Eucharist canabalistic symbiology”, was created by men, who misunderstood Jesus real meaning of it. I even explained to you, the real meaning and why it became misunderstood, in one of your own threads. The lights are on, but there’s nobody home lol Secondly, this has to nothing to do with DNA, Jesus was the first created spiritual being, it has nothing to do with the flesh. Why do you think Jesus says the words before Abraham “I AM”, it’s because He’s referring to himself being there, before anyone else.
If we are all God and the Father, then Jesus shouldn’t be before anyone else, and the “I AM” should also apply to Abraham, you, and me etc. But Jesus doesn’t say that, which clearly shows that there is an order to spiritually created beings, Jesus being the first!
Jesus says nothing as he did not write anything down; its all conjecture; what would Freud or Jung say about Jesus if they were the interpreters of (obviously an Oral Tradition handed down, recited by many mouths with various Ego Problems of their own. Jesus as we understand him now was the invention of Pauls EGO. Paul sits on this throne, not Jesus. Jesus never in his life uttered the word "CHRISTOS" or refered to himself as a Messiah (Greek nomenclature).
joecroft[i/]
And that phrase you used “He could have ruled the world”, your thinking with your ego. Jesus isn’t about ruling the world, He’s about bringing in the Kingdom of Heaven, which is a spiritual Kingdom.
But he does rule the world or at least 2.2 billion souls, and as for bringing the Kingdom of heaven to Earth, he hasnt succeeded (nice try though) for some death would bring relief to the hell they are experiencing. I do not understand why you keep confusing Jesus ministry with Pauls corruption of it. Do not tell me everyone else needs to convert to Christianity the bearer Bondsmen will still claim the soul. The notion of Christianity (totally made up) is just as manipulated as the You-Are-Christ an INVENTION to subjegate and control by primarily? the RC church.
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reply to post by Joecroft
What Jesus meant by "before Abraham, I Am" is that consciousness was before Abraham. Abraham was not the first conscious person to ever live.
Before Abraham was ever born, I Am. I can say the same thing and it will hold just as true. "I Am" is self-awareness, it is consciousness, it is the light.
We are all the I Am, not just Jesus. He was making a general statement when he said that. Jesus' spirit is the same as yours and mine.
What Jesus meant by "before Abraham, I Am" is that consciousness was before Abraham. Abraham was not the first conscious person to ever live.
Before Abraham was ever born, I Am. I can say the same thing and it will hold just as true. "I Am" is self-awareness, it is consciousness, it is the light.
We are all the I Am, not just Jesus. He was making a general statement when he said that. Jesus' spirit is the same as yours and mine.
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Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
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Yes, the IAM is the ABSOLUTISM that existed well before Abraham and Jesus was not the first (even in metaphor) to describe the existance of the ONE and certainly is not IT in totality, (Jesus is not God never proclaimed as such and would be once again A-Pauled that he was worshiped).
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3NL1GHT3N3D1
What Jesus meant by "before Abraham, I Am" is that consciousness was before Abraham. Abraham was not the first conscious person to ever live.
Before Abraham was ever born, I Am. I can say the same thing and it will hold just as true. "I Am" is self-awareness, it is consciousness, it is the light.
We are all the I Am, not just Jesus. He was making a general statement when he said that. Jesus' spirit is the same as yours and mine.
Yes, the IAM is the ABSOLUTISM that existed well before Abraham and Jesus was not the first (even in metaphor) to describe the existance of the ONE and certainly is not IT in totality, (Jesus is not God never proclaimed as such and would be once again A-Pauled that he was worshiped).
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But there are many other texts, which point in the same direction, in regards to who Jesus is; that’s what I call weighted evidence. Paul (assuming most of it’s all Pauls writings, which I don’t believe it is) didn’t get everything right, but he did get some things right.
Anyway, I don’t base my beliefs around all of Pauls writings, I believe they were heavily edited by the early RCC, and that Paul was most likely a Gnostic Christian…as I stated in this post…
And you know this because…???
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It’s the Father of lies who rules this world, But Jesus is still working to usher in the Kingdom, because people are still coming to believe in Him, and are receiving the “Holy Spirit”.
Please show me in which post, I have done this…? I clearly outlined my take on Paul, in that other post I highlighted…
No, do not convert to Christianity, that’s not what believing in Jesus is about IMO…
In fact, Jesus even warns about just that in the following verse…
All religions are guilty of the same thing, unless they are preaching a relationship with the Father, through the receiving of the Holy Spirit.
- JC
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Jesus as we understand him now was the invention of Pauls EGO.
Paul sits on this throne, not Jesus.
But there are many other texts, which point in the same direction, in regards to who Jesus is; that’s what I call weighted evidence. Paul (assuming most of it’s all Pauls writings, which I don’t believe it is) didn’t get everything right, but he did get some things right.
Anyway, I don’t base my beliefs around all of Pauls writings, I believe they were heavily edited by the early RCC, and that Paul was most likely a Gnostic Christian…as I stated in this post…
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Jesus never in his life uttered the word "CHRISTOS" or refered to himself as a Messiah (Greek nomenclature).
And you know this because…???
John 6:25-26
The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”
26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
Matthew 16:15-17
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.
Mark 14:61-62
Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”
62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
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Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
But he does rule the world or at least 2.2 billion souls, and as for bringing the Kingdom of heaven to Earth, he hasnt succeeded (nice try though) for some death would bring relief to the hell they are experiencing.
It’s the Father of lies who rules this world, But Jesus is still working to usher in the Kingdom, because people are still coming to believe in Him, and are receiving the “Holy Spirit”.
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
I do not understand why you keep confusing Jesus ministry with Pauls corruption of it.
Please show me in which post, I have done this…? I clearly outlined my take on Paul, in that other post I highlighted…
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Do not tell me everyone else needs to convert to Christianity the bearer Bondsmen will still claim the soul. The notion of Christianity (totally made up) is just as manipulated as the You-Are-Christ an INVENTION to subjegate and control by primarily? the RC church.
No, do not convert to Christianity, that’s not what believing in Jesus is about IMO…
In fact, Jesus even warns about just that in the following verse…
Matthew 23:15
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
All religions are guilty of the same thing, unless they are preaching a relationship with the Father, through the receiving of the Holy Spirit.
- JC
reply to post by Joecroft
I am speaking (RIGHT NOW and the last 3 posts) from the outlook of Freemason Tradititions (templar knights)and what they stock as their currency (GOD and GEOMETRY; and the moral purity to understand the great responsibility this wealth, the byproduct including land and Gold entails) as purveyors and keepers of the truth (Gods law, dominion and grace). I am not saying anything that would insult a 11th century Knight Templar. First response I need time for the rest of your post.
I am speaking (RIGHT NOW and the last 3 posts) from the outlook of Freemason Tradititions (templar knights)and what they stock as their currency (GOD and GEOMETRY; and the moral purity to understand the great responsibility this wealth, the byproduct including land and Gold entails) as purveyors and keepers of the truth (Gods law, dominion and grace). I am not saying anything that would insult a 11th century Knight Templar. First response I need time for the rest of your post.
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reply to post by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Jesus is The Son of God, and is Co-creator with the Father, from the very beginning. This same truth can be found, in the New Testament, the Old Testament, and is clearly outlined in many of the Gnostic texts.
Yes, we all have the Spirit of life, which comes from the Father etc…but that does not make us the Father IMO. I believe all of us, i.e. our individual created consciousnesses, had a beginning. But that there is an order, in which conscious souls, were created by God.
Well, IMO we are only a part of the I Am, and are connected to it etc…
- JC
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
What Jesus meant by "before Abraham, I Am" is that consciousness was before Abraham. Abraham was not the first conscious person to ever live.
Jesus is The Son of God, and is Co-creator with the Father, from the very beginning. This same truth can be found, in the New Testament, the Old Testament, and is clearly outlined in many of the Gnostic texts.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
Before Abraham was ever born, I Am. I can say the same thing and it will hold just as true. "I Am" is self-awareness, it is consciousness, it is the light.
Yes, we all have the Spirit of life, which comes from the Father etc…but that does not make us the Father IMO. I believe all of us, i.e. our individual created consciousnesses, had a beginning. But that there is an order, in which conscious souls, were created by God.
Originally posted by 3NL1GHT3N3D1
We are all the I Am, not just Jesus. He was making a general statement when he said that. Jesus' spirit is the same as yours and mine
Well, IMO we are only a part of the I Am, and are connected to it etc…
- JC
Originally posted by Joecroft
reply to post by vethumanbeing
There are other texts, if we were to only speak of the Gnostic, would be agreeable to me, because they are my truth. Paul disliked women and within the Essene community (which had disbanded for parts KNOWN, far before his time living) embraced them and included them as well as all children; Paul was very different in his tradition. The Templars are the remnants and/or blood grail keepers of this Qumran community. The heavily edited texts (gracious of you) or disinclusion of ANY Gnostic writings by the RCC was claimed as too esoteric and confusing. Well the truth can actually be thrown out if you are deliberately shaping a religion that cannot be contested as the only true one. The (not by chance) finding of the original Qumran texts by shepherds (very funny) was one not anticipated; but there you have it the Dead Sea Scrolls.
And I know this because; he told me (I thought you had faith and yet you cannot access this being).
He did not personally write it, have it scribed, (he wrote 3 languages) and even though Greek was his second would not have used that language to describe his relationship with God or himself as a messiah, The Greeks were Pagan, he would have used Hebrew as they believed in Monotheisim; BUT HE DID NEITHER. Christos is Greek in origin, his name Roman-Paulus Greek-Paulos original name SAUL. why did he change his name though Jewish?
Who exactly is the Father of lies who rules this world, the one that betrayed Jesus and hung him out to rot using the Romans and Jewish constituants to execute him? Not that one (the one I sometimes rail against). But your Father is a different one than mine apparently, mine has flaws, yours is as pure as driven snow.
reply to post by vethumanbeing
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Jesus as we understand him now was the invention of Pauls EGO.
Paul sits on this throne, not Jesus.
joecroft
But there are many other texts, which point in the same direction, in regards to who Jesus is; that’s what I call weighted evidence. Paul (assuming most of it’s all Pauls writings, which I don’t believe it is) didn’t get everything right, but he did get some things right. Anyway, I don’t base my beliefs around all of Pauls writings, I believe they were heavily edited by the early RCC, and that Paul was most likely a Gnostic Christian…as I stated in
There are other texts, if we were to only speak of the Gnostic, would be agreeable to me, because they are my truth. Paul disliked women and within the Essene community (which had disbanded for parts KNOWN, far before his time living) embraced them and included them as well as all children; Paul was very different in his tradition. The Templars are the remnants and/or blood grail keepers of this Qumran community. The heavily edited texts (gracious of you) or disinclusion of ANY Gnostic writings by the RCC was claimed as too esoteric and confusing. Well the truth can actually be thrown out if you are deliberately shaping a religion that cannot be contested as the only true one. The (not by chance) finding of the original Qumran texts by shepherds (very funny) was one not anticipated; but there you have it the Dead Sea Scrolls.
vethumanbeing
Jesus never in his life uttered the word "CHRISTOS" or refered to himself as a Messiah (Greek nomenclature).
joecroft
And you know this because…???
John 6:25-26 The woman said, “I know that Messiah” (called Christ) “is coming. When he comes, he will explain everything to us.”26 Then Jesus declared, “I, the one speaking to you—I am he.”
Matthew 16:15-17
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
16 Simon Peter answered, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
17 Jesus replied, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah, for this was not revealed to you by flesh and blood, but by my Father in heaven.CROFT 2 VET
Mark 14:61-62Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Messiah, the Son of the Blessed One?”62 “I am,” said Jesus. “And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven.”
And I know this because; he told me (I thought you had faith and yet you cannot access this being).
He did not personally write it, have it scribed, (he wrote 3 languages) and even though Greek was his second would not have used that language to describe his relationship with God or himself as a messiah, The Greeks were Pagan, he would have used Hebrew as they believed in Monotheisim; BUT HE DID NEITHER. Christos is Greek in origin, his name Roman-Paulus Greek-Paulos original name SAUL. why did he change his name though Jewish?
Vethumanbeing
But he does rule the world or at least 2.2 billion souls, and as for bringing the Kingdom of heaven to Earth, he hasnt succeeded (nice try though) for some death would bring relief to the hell they are experiencing.
joecroft
It’s the Father of lies who rules this world, But Jesus is still working to usher in the Kingdom, because people are still coming to believe in Him, and are receiving the “Holy Spirit”.
No, do not convert to Christianity, that’s not what believing in Jesus is about IMO…
In fact, Jesus even warns about just that in the following verse…
All religions are guilty of the same thing, unless they are preaching a relationship with the Father, through the receiving of the Holy Spirit.- JC
Matthew 23:15
15 “Woe to you, teachers of the law and Pharisees, you hypocrites! You travel over land and sea to win a single convert, and when you have succeeded, you make them twice as much a child of hell as you are.
Who exactly is the Father of lies who rules this world, the one that betrayed Jesus and hung him out to rot using the Romans and Jewish constituants to execute him? Not that one (the one I sometimes rail against). But your Father is a different one than mine apparently, mine has flaws, yours is as pure as driven snow.
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reply to post by vethumanbeing
Does not the mathmatic perfection of life, without which life cannot exist, point to a perfect creator?
Even if you believe in yourself as God, at some point you would have been perfect, and the goal would be to return to perfection. In this way there is always a pool of water in front of you as well as a wake left behind.
Does not the mathmatic perfection of life, without which life cannot exist, point to a perfect creator?
Even if you believe in yourself as God, at some point you would have been perfect, and the goal would be to return to perfection. In this way there is always a pool of water in front of you as well as a wake left behind.
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Originally posted by sacgamer25
reply to post by vethumanbeing
Well yes, its evident in morphic resonance that reverberates thoughout nature, its part of intelligent design theory. The duplication of a particular spiral, shell shaped, the embryonic development of vertebrates is identical up to a certain point of identification/differentialization. If one were to believe oneself God you are automatically deemed flawed because that is to most observers Ego based, and would be determined a delusional ideaform. There is no point in perfection because as soon as you achieve it your journey ends as an expansive force trying to learn more about oneself. Returning to the perfect state "KINGdom of Heaven/Godstate" gets boring, and you will once again return to the world of gross matter to test yourself.
"only the clash of destructive forces can create something new".
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sacgamer25
Does not the mathmatic perfection of life, without which life cannot exist, point to a perfect creator?
Even if you believe in yourself as God, at some point you would have been perfect, and the goal would be to return to perfection. In this way there is always a pool of water in front of you as well as a wake left behind.
Well yes, its evident in morphic resonance that reverberates thoughout nature, its part of intelligent design theory. The duplication of a particular spiral, shell shaped, the embryonic development of vertebrates is identical up to a certain point of identification/differentialization. If one were to believe oneself God you are automatically deemed flawed because that is to most observers Ego based, and would be determined a delusional ideaform. There is no point in perfection because as soon as you achieve it your journey ends as an expansive force trying to learn more about oneself. Returning to the perfect state "KINGdom of Heaven/Godstate" gets boring, and you will once again return to the world of gross matter to test yourself.
"only the clash of destructive forces can create something new".
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reply to post by vethumanbeing
Yes but not for at least another 1000 years.
If you are right at all, which I have not conceded to.
.
Yes but not for at least another 1000 years.
If you are right at all, which I have not conceded to.
.
reply to post by vethumanbeing
Feel free to quote any Gnostic texts of your choosing…
The thing is, you say only the Gnostic texts are agreeable to you etc...and yet the verses I highlighted in this post…, clearly shows evidence that they believed Jesus was The Son of God and that He was the first born of all creation. Which, minus the Trinity, (which BTW I don’t accept) is roughly similar to one of the key beliefs, that Christians believes in today.
So if they are your truth, as you say, then you need to make some kind of a decision, based on what those verses are saying…
Remember, I believe Pauls writings were edited, so when we say Paul this and Paul that, it’s not that simple. Looking at it from the perspective that it’s all Pauls works/words, and assuming that Paul was only a recent convert to Christian Gnosticism; then it could be said that his alliances lent more towards the Pharisees and Sadducees way of thinking and understanding.
Of course the same thinking could be applied to the early RCC, in that they edited Pauls writings, to give it more of a Phareesitical slant.
For the record, I disagree with those aspects of the religion that do that, whether written by Paul, or not…
I agree with those texts…I embrace them…I quote ALL the texts…
Where have you been…lol
Who told you…?
Jesus would have been speaking to the Jewish leaders in either Aramaic or Hebrew; only much later would his words have been translated into the Greek language documents.
I thought the snow thing was your department lol
- JC
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
There are other texts, if we were to only speak of the Gnostic, would be agreeable to me, because they are my truth.
Feel free to quote any Gnostic texts of your choosing…
The thing is, you say only the Gnostic texts are agreeable to you etc...and yet the verses I highlighted in this post…, clearly shows evidence that they believed Jesus was The Son of God and that He was the first born of all creation. Which, minus the Trinity, (which BTW I don’t accept) is roughly similar to one of the key beliefs, that Christians believes in today.
So if they are your truth, as you say, then you need to make some kind of a decision, based on what those verses are saying…
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Paul disliked women and within the Essene community (which had disbanded for parts KNOWN, far before his time living) embraced them and included them as well as all children; Paul was very different in his tradition.
Remember, I believe Pauls writings were edited, so when we say Paul this and Paul that, it’s not that simple. Looking at it from the perspective that it’s all Pauls works/words, and assuming that Paul was only a recent convert to Christian Gnosticism; then it could be said that his alliances lent more towards the Pharisees and Sadducees way of thinking and understanding.
Of course the same thinking could be applied to the early RCC, in that they edited Pauls writings, to give it more of a Phareesitical slant.
For the record, I disagree with those aspects of the religion that do that, whether written by Paul, or not…
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
The Templars are the remnants and/or blood grail keepers of this Qumran community. The heavily edited texts (gracious of you) or disinclusion of ANY Gnostic writings by the RCC was claimed as too esoteric and confusing.
Well the truth can actually be thrown out if you are deliberatly shaping a religion that cannot be contested as the only true one. The (not by chance) finding of the original Qumran texts by shepherds (very funny) was one not anticipated; but there you have it the Dead Sea Scrolls.
I agree with those texts…I embrace them…I quote ALL the texts…
Where have you been…lol
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
And I know this because; he told me (I thought you had faith and yet you cannot access this being).
Who told you…?
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
He did not personally write it, have it scribed, (he wrote 3 languages) and even though Greek was his second would not have used that language to describe his relationship with God or himself as a messiah, The Greeks were Pagan, he would have used Hebrew as they believed in Monotheisim; BUT HE DID NEITHER. Christos is Greek in origin, his name Roman-Paulus Greek-Paulos original name SAUL. why did he change his name though Jewish?
Jesus would have been speaking to the Jewish leaders in either Aramaic or Hebrew; only much later would his words have been translated into the Greek language documents.
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
Who exactly is the Father of lies who rules this world, the one that betrayed Jesus and hung him out to rot using the Romans and Jewish constituants to execute him? Not that one (the one I sometimes rail against). But your Father is a different one than mine apparently, mine has flaws, yours is as pure as driven snow.
I thought the snow thing was your department lol
Originally posted by Vethumanbeing
I dont remember past lives as I havent had any, I am fresh and pure as the driven snow.
- JC
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