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And peace to the Prophets, thanks to alla-aha, please (asking alla-aha) to forgive him, comfort him and accept him in paradise.
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
reply to post by nenothtu
How do you know that Benevolent Heretic's translation is accurate?
BTW Fox has reported the same story as in my original post. Link here.
Originally posted by OpinionatedB
He really did not curse the men. He said A'udhu billahi min ash Shaytanir Rajim. This means seek Allah’s protection/refuge/shelter from Shaytaan, the Accursed one. It is said before any of the Quran is recited.
if he had cursed the men he would have said La'anatullah not A'udhu Billahi...
hope this helps.
Originally posted by Golf66
The Imam was speaking as he always does with the introductory statement not fully understanding that in effect he has just implied (based on your translation) that the only way to salvation is to seek the protection of Allah for protection from Satan. He tactfully leaves out that to not do so invites damnation.
I understand how Muslims are with their recitations - I mean you can get "Should Allah will it" (or some variation thereof) in response to almost anything... its ingrained response.
This of course implies to the listener that they too are subjet to the will of Allah even if they don't beleive in him themselves. I never took that personally, but I know some people who did.
Anyway, based on my few years in theater (Afghanistan/Iraq) I suppose this guy’s statement would be like the Christian guy asking everyone to accept Jesus as their Savior before quoting the Bible in a mixed group of Muslims and Christians. Personally, I don't suspect it would go over well and for sure with a lot more bloodshed had there been a few hard liners around. It is a direct challenge to one's faith.
Perhaps he knew this and wanted to make a plausibly deniable dig that implied that those who had not sought the protection of Allah from Satan (i.e. the dead SEALs) were damned. I mean as an Imam he surely feels deep inside that if the dead were non-believers they are indeed damned - period regardless of what he reads from the Koran in their memory/honor/behalf.
Religion is a touchy subject and IMO they could have had a remembrance ceremony that honored the dead from both (and all religions) in a purely professional way.
Remember them as fallen warriors who died fighting a common foe respected by their comrades in arms.
Leave their families and loved ones handle the religious details individually and privately.
Instead they wanted to seem inclusive and PC and they failed.
this is the closest I've ever come to violating the TOS!
Originally posted by SeenMyShare
I would like to see the certified translation, and, find out who translated and certified it.